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 2008 Mazda6 2.5 vs 2008 Accord 2.4, Compare 2 hot models from Honda & Mazda

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zweimmk
post Aug 29 2008, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 28 2008, 10:34 PM)
Early reports mention that the 2.5L V6 engine is lethargic compared to the Mazda6. One more thing, I don't fancy woodgrain trim.

Anyway, I had a lookie at the Nissan website and notice that features like illuminated vanity mirrors were highlighted. I only knew about the Mazda6 2.5L having this when I got the car (not sure about Mazda6 2.0L or the Accord 2.4L) but I guess frivoulous things like this are not highlighted at all on the Mazda the website.  rolleyes.gif

Speedometer is a little plain. It's still better than the Accord but the Mazda6 is very much better. Just like the Accord, no brand mentioned on the 6 speaker factory fitted audio system on the Teana. Oh yes, they mention 5.3m radius turning but small print says for the 2.5L and 3.5L with 17" wheels, it's 5.7m.  rolleyes.gif

2.5L version only has 4 airbags and strange that there is no info on how big the rear bootspace and no pics on the rear bootspace itself.  hmm.gif
1. It uses the award winning VQ engine so power should be ample. Its lethagic performance could be due to the additional weight on the car but bear in mind these cars are family sedans, speed or cornering performance isn't essentially a major concern here; comfort, luxury and quietness should usually be the main priority.
2. Wood grain trim is a matter of preference, as is with the meter cluster design. Anything to do with styling, I think we can discount it out because it's due to personal preference.
3. The boot capacity is a whopping 506L!
4. Strangely, the Singapore version seems to have quite a few features cut from the 2.5L version. As you have stated, this includes the 5.1 Bose Speaker System and the side airbags. However, the same China version offers everything that's found in the Mazda 6 2.5L (including the Bose speaker system) and more!

IMO, I think both the Mazda 6 and the new Teana are neck to neck in terms of comfort and amendities. Of course, this also depends on the country they are offered in.
But Mazda 6 vs Nissan Teana Japanese CBU, on paper - the Nissan Teana holds quite an edge over its rival.

Of all the new D-segment sedans that are out right now, I feel new Accord is a disappointment if stacked next to the Nissan Teana and Mazda 6. It should be a no brainer that these cars are better than the Camry - they all came out 2 years later!


Added on August 29, 2008, 3:15 pm
QUOTE(iceman08 @ Aug 29 2008, 10:05 AM)
Will give it to you on our TT...

Bad thing about autofoam? Never heard about it before..As i mentioned earlier this Mazda 6 is extremely quiet..Autofoam helps very little in this area but you feel much better going over uneven roads and the car feels heavier...Dynamat sound proof will make ur car even more quiet...the door also feel more solid...

Mazdaspeed emblem is made of alloy. Show it to you on our TT. Is custom made so its not available outside..
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Hypertune Magazine regularly features it, LOL!
But if you don't read that mag. then yeah, you won't hear about it. Come to think of it, the first time I heard of Autofoam was reading it in Hypertune then found it being discussed in autoworld

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post Aug 30 2008, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
:stars: How do you know that the Teana is as quiet as the Accord, the Camry or the Mazda6? Early assessments say that the XCVT gearbox on the Teana is noisy.
If the Sylphy is any indication for the path Nissan intends to take, then we can definitely assume it will be quiet or as quiet as the others. Of course, once the reviews starts pouring in. We'll get more details.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
Errr, where did you get this info? Yeah, the one I checked out is the Nissan Maxima (as it's called in Australia) has a rated boot space of a whopping 476L.  :w Still slightly bigger than Accord size though.
You have to read their Japanese or Chinese website for the info, it's stated there to be 506L, but even if we go with the rated space of 476L, how much smaller is it compared to the Mazda 6? by 4L? Not much of a difference is there?

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
Everything that's found on the Mazda6? Sure? What about paddle shifters? And more? Like what? Better drivability and road handling?
Except for paddle shifters, 18 inch wheels and Bi-xenon headlights (HID Low-beam for Teana only). But other features that you can't find on the Mazda 6 includes: Ottoman power massage chairs with leg rest, 3 layered + ventilated leather seats, illuminated readout on rear view mirror itself, blind spot indicators, plasmacluster air-conditioning etc.

Road handling is superior on the Mazda 6 and the Mazda 6 is likely to be a better driver's car. Also, reviews from Autocar Asean have indicated a soft type of suspension found in the Teana like the Camry. No doubt they have set priority towards comfort rather than car handling or drivability. IMO, this is the main priority of buyers for this particular segment of cars.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
If Singapore version can be slightly stripped down, one wonders how the Malaysian version would be. Strange that China supposedly gets more specs. Perhaps the reason for this is because the Teanas sold in China are made in China themselves for their own domestic market?
Is the Teana for Singapore made in Japan? Or is it coming in from Thailand? Or Karachi, or Taiwan or China? I'm only afraid what they'll do for Malaysian version. Forget about CKD because I don't think they can churn out the same volume as the Accord or even the Camry for that matter. If it's CBU Thailand or CKD Serendah (if ever that was possible), then it will not hold an edge over the CBU Japan Mazda6.
I know the Teana in Singapore is a CBU unit from Japan from reports around the web, I find it odd that Tan Chong decided to strip away some of the nicer features found in the car. The China version is assembled in China but they have the same specs as the Japanese CBU unit. AFAIK, the Teanas sold in this SEA region come from Japan. As for Malaysia getting the Teana? That depends on ETCM and so far their decision to continue with the Sentra and Cefiro not only does not make sense, it's just puzzling! IMO, Malaysia will probably get left out again.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
That said, one must just not see the car in terms of specs. It needs to drive nice and part of having a nice driving characteristic is having a spirited engine. No fun if it's a lazy car unless you have a chaufer to drive you. For that fact alone, the Mazda6 does not just win in the looks department. It drives and handles well too and that is the reason why it's a winner.
Your viewpoint is noted then the same can be applied for the Accord or Camry. Who determines that the car has a nice driving characteristics and spirited engine? The driver him/herself. So it is more fair to compare specs and features of these cars then put in final judgement when you test drive the cars yourself. After all, I'm sure there are plenty of buyers out there that test drove all these cars and common sense would dictate the Mazda 6 as the best value buy isn't it? Aside from the Camry, the truth is you still find more Accords out there than Mazda 6. You may argue that its herd mentality and I will agree to a cerain extend, but it's not fair to say it will apply to everyone. It could also be marketing, but again - when someone shops for a 150k plus car, I'm sure they will look at the best possible option available as well. Brand confidence perhaps? Maybe - but look at Suzuki - they've managed to do well for themselves despite being relatively quiet for the later part of the the 90s and early 2000s. So I'm sure, even if the specs for the Accord or quality is not on par, there must be something about the car that they like over the Mazda 6.

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QUOTE(nelson_hew @ Sep 9 2008, 01:33 PM)
but why so few madza6 on the road compared to honda? Madza=Low resale value? or Maintainence expensive?
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There are several possibilities:

1. Not marketed aggressively enough in Malaysia

It's also noteworthy that I've not seen a single new Mazda 6 when I was down Singapore last week. Even the new Accord is a rarity, just saw two new Accords over the entire 4 day stretch.

2. Market perception of high maintenance and poor resale value.

IMO, maintenance shouldn't be that expensive. Resale value based on previous Mazda 6 track record is not fantastic so another minus point to this car.

3. Mazda 6 styling not as appealing to the general populace as the new Accord.

While we think the Mazda 6 is a better looking car, the general population of Malaysia thinks otherwise. Looks are subjective anyways

4. Brand power

The Honda marque commands a higher premium compared to Mazda. It will take awhile for Mazda to catch up in Malaysia.

Anyway, I think it's still too early to dismiss the Mazda 6 la. To its merit, there are more new Mazda 6 on the road now than the older version a few years back. And if you noticed, a large majority of these new Accord is actually the 2.0L version.


Added on September 10, 2008, 1:13 pm
QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 9 2008, 10:50 PM)
I think the white version is most strikingly beautiful version as compared to other colors. From far, it has a purplish hew that adds to its elegant styling.

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post Sep 11 2008, 11:56 AM

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I think Mazda is doing a better job in Singapore than they are in Malaysia. At least I see more Mazda 2s and Mazda 3 zoom zooming around than I see Civics or Jazz.

For Mazda 6 to succeed, I think they really need to up their game with the 2.0L version and start getting more aggressive with their marketing. The way I see it, they've got a really good chance to blow past Mitsubishi and sneak up onto Nissan if they play their cards right.
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QUOTE(rstusa @ Sep 11 2008, 12:21 PM)
I think Mazda 6 still lose some specs in terms of luxury & silent compare with accord & camry.
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In what way? You have to be more specific:

It's already known that the car handles better than the Accord 2.4 and the Camry 2.4
It's already known that the car is more silent than the Accord 2.4, not sure about Camry 2.4
It's already known that the equipment level in Mazda 6 2.5L version is better than the Accord 2.4 and Camry 2.4

The only real advantage the Accord 2.4 have is that it's a slightly larger car and argubly, LOOKS more luxurious.

Anyway, I'm interested to know what you think in the Accord is better than Mazda 6?
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post Sep 11 2008, 04:32 PM

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For all intents and purposes, this link gives a very accurate overview of the new Mazda 6.

The only things that are not available for the Malaysia market are:

V6 version

The specs for everything else are consistently the same for the 2.4L version. Now compare with the new HM 2.4L Accord and you have a very obvious answer as to which is the better car.
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post Sep 12 2008, 08:20 AM

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The closest equivalent is called the Mazda 2 and it's not available here. Dumb decision by Bermaz or Mazda in ignoring the 70 ~ 90k market.

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