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post May 16 2011, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 13 2011, 12:40 PM)
Yup yup - agreed. Risk management's the name of the game and continuous learning to manage risks is my goal - what to do, no silver spoon.
Some people say stocks (thus Equity mutual funds / unit trusts) are too risky but they do not realize that even driving is risky. A neophyte driving VS a learned & experience driver (especially having survived in India or Jakarta  laugh.gif ) has a vast difference in risk due to learning & experience.
Finally a risk mgt bro  rclxm9.gif

Would U be able to share your methods to manage risks in your investments?

Mine's quite simple (though may not be easy).
Step 1 - Asset Allocation (though not buy into straight away for the sake of "balance")
Note: I've squirreled away 6 mths living expenses already, thus the below are the balance
a. Equities exREITs / Rental Properties: 33%
b. Bonds / Money Market / FD / EPF: 33%
c. REITs / Rental Properties: 33%

Step 2 - Methodologies / Entry & Exit Plans
Split the Allocated per Asset into
a. Programmatic (like DCA and VCA for entry & take profit rules if >=50% in less than 1yr OR >=25%pa) where there's no fear / greed in execution of buy/sell/switch
b. Value investing (like entries based on discounted Intrinsic Value OR NAPS/Price OR DY% and exits based on Trailing Stop Losses %)
c. Punting (for the devil in me - trading, a very small %)
These methodologies are mostly applied to Equity assets.

Step 3 - Buy, Hold, Monitor & Tweak
All entries are into filtered stocks/funds/properties
(pre-filter done way earlier based on track record of Company or Fund / Financial Ratios for the past 3 or more years)
Rinse & Repeat Step 1-3  tongue.gif
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Brother wong, thanks for the knowledge sharing. It is fantastic, i guess u at least read > 50 investment books. Low Yat forum's standard has been decreasing with many new comers asking where, how to invest kind of basic questions.

I am still finding the best investment tools for me.

I am using leveraging method to invest. Public Bank do offer UNIFLEX facilities whereby u can pledge your UT for OD facility, MOA is around 80% with OD interest rate of BLR-1%, u can then withdraw the fund to reinvest or just use the OD as a spare cash. I am a low risk investors, so i park my money in one of the Public Bond Funds, which generate 7.7% average for the last 3 years, so basically it is good enuf to cover the OD interest.

REITS is something that i have not tried yet. Even KLSE has some ETF counters where investors can buy into index at low cost (compared to UT) but unfortunately it is not actively traded so it would have liquidity problem when we want to sell.

One question, u have list the rented property under equity (catagory a), why shdnt it under catagory C?
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post May 16 2011, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 16 2011, 09:18 PM)

Yeah - saw PB's offer UNIFLEX for levering on pledged Mutual Funds from PM. I've got a hair trigger with leveraged investments, especially when the supporting vehicles are Equities (eg. Equity Funds). I've yet to calc the spread if I pledge my bond funds though - may be worthwhile hehe. However, with OPR thus BLR, going up and up.. i suspect i wouldn't be doing it any time soon until another CRASH and then.. BWHAHAAHAH I'LL JUMP IN (1 foot only lar, not 2 - risk mgt man, risk mgt  brows.gif )

PB Islamic Bond pays 12% for the last 1 year, i did UNIFLEX around 1 year ago, so it is still worthwhile to do it comparing to cost of fund of 5.3%. I also have no balls to do UNIFLEX under 100% Equity, my Mutual fund investment now is 20% Equity, 80% bond.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 16 2011, 09:18 PM)
Books? i read about 1 to 2 books every 2 to 3 days (depending on job load & stress).
However, after a while, most of them... samey samey once U absorb the basics. It costs me a bomb testing some of the methodologies with real $ and real time (2 to 4 years) but worth while at the end of the day as "sure-ity" (well 80%+ lar) is there and there's a host of combo methodologies to use as market changes. Yes yes - i'm a NerKy (Nerdy Turnkey)  laugh.gif
I'd tip my hat to 1 book which made a heckuva difference for me - T Harv Ekar's "Millionaire Mind", with the % spell out for net income allocation. I used that as a basis and customized to my personal wants/views.
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From the way u write i know that u read a lot of books. i have the same feeling, after reading many books, the theories are basically the same, will check on Millionaire Mind, if given a chance.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 16 2011, 09:18 PM)
REITs - may i share a very simple method, see whether worth your time or not?
1st step - filter for REITs having consistent ROE & ROTA of 8% and more every year. REITs need returns to pay dividends mar & i expect 7% to 8% dividend yield. 2nd step - filter from there, REITs with D/E < 0.6 (0.8 if U can stomach higher leverage). D/E = debt to equity ratio used in running the business 3rd step - wait for the filtered REITs to hit a DY% of 9% (coz i want net 8%pa mar) OR Price / NAPS (net asset per share) < 70% (hey, buying $1 of assets for 70cents' good!) hehe.
In end 2008 & 1st quarter 2009 I made a killing (by buying) and still making now due to some which i'm still holding, which is bring in NET DY% ranging from 8% to 10%pa, EXCLUDING price increase (ie. capital growth).

Since KLSE index is at its historical height, so is it too late to invest in REITS? as the price already at its peak?
I invest in property direct, holding several properties, mostly landed residential and also commercial office for flipping. Have very good paper gain for now as i started to invest in 2009, will sell them immediately upon VP and sit tight with cash profit and wait for the next property investment cycle, but wonder where to park my money after sold all the props.



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post May 16 2011, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 16 2011, 10:05 PM)
Ah - a Property bro!  rclxm9.gif I need to learn much much more on direct property investments. So far, no matter how i calculate it, it doesn't make much sense to me VS paper assets as i'll be locking up a huge % of my $ in 1 transaction + illiquid. Having said so, like paper investments, i've forced myself to get into it in 2009 also - got a "starter" service apartment with positive cash flow with 16% to 18% down payment & 28 yrs loan fixed rate ING 4.8%pa, in Casa Subang.
I still don't get it - even with the leverage, if i sell now, all in all, i'll get a net profit of CAGR/pa of only about 38%pa (if i compare to personal cash outlay only, ie. cash on cash returns). I'm kinda thick and slow me thinks  wub.gif Is there i topic somewhere in LYN that can point me (i'm a good digger once pointed, digging hungrily  drool.gif ) to the right direction for residential and commercial properties?
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the interesting part abt prop investment is LEVERAGING.

U come up with very minimum and using OPM to invest, for RM1mil prop, u come up with RM50K to RM100K (depending on developers), if the prop grow to RM2.0mil (it is achieavable in many cases in KLV if u invest in 2009), then your return will be RM1mil net over 50K initial deposits (for the case of 5/95). 20 times return or 2000% return. But for prop investment it will need different expertise, networking, studies, and etc.

The best forum on this topic is not in Lowyat.
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post May 16 2011, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ May 16 2011, 10:40 PM)
Bwhahah - ok ok, best forum on this topic isnt LYN. Can point me to the other forum ar? heheh.  notworthy.gif
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sent to you already, check your PM
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post May 24 2011, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(megatron88 @ May 24 2011, 10:01 AM)
hi fellas, im new here and just started thinking to invest some portion of my income into funds. as a beginner with low $$ bullet, can big brothers here recommend me how to start or which fund to go with? thank you~  rclxms.gif

p/s: am looking at cimb or pbb funds at the moment hmm...  rclxub.gif
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if u r into CIMB funds, u can invest via their CIMB Clicks online banking site. They offer 2.5% service charge for equity funds. Low pricing.
They also carry other mutual funds such as OSK, RHB, AMinvest, HLB funds....most of the equity funds are priced at 2.5% which is deemed low compared to market but still 0.5% higher than www.fundsupermart.com.my

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QUOTE(goodyear @ May 31 2011, 03:54 PM)
How about Public Saving Fund?  Is it good time to invest now?
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U need to find out your own, forumers here already kind enuf to give u the spoon and food, don't expect ppl here to spoon feed u, in order to be successful in investment. U need to study hard and do ur own research, there is no short cut to success...
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QUOTE(Assassin @ Jun 5 2011, 11:05 AM)
Is it true that when interest rate rise, bond value will fall?
So it is suitable to buy up bond during this period?
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interest rate movement has more impact on goverment bond than corporate bond/ investment grade bond. As FD and government bond are considered good substituition, as they have low risk or no risk. Fd is protected by PIDM and government can raise tax to pay bond dividend.

Often, interest rate is an indicator for economic performance, BNM use interest rate as part of their monetary policy to control the economic performance. During the economic turmoil in 2008, BNM fixed the interest rate at historical low to spur the economy, so when economy picking up, BNM increase the interest rate to slow down the heat. When interest rise gradually from bottom, means corporates are doing well, so it is more likely for corporate to pay dividend to their investors on time and default risk will be lesser (bond holder has priority claims on dividend compared to common stock holders) , as a result bond demand will be higher and bond price will also increase despite the rise in interest rate.

To conclude, interest rate has inverse correlation with govt bond return, but not neccesary for corporate/private bonds. For low risk investors, bond is a good diversified instrument for both good time and bad time.
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jul 11 2011, 10:49 PM)
^ @wongmunkeong

I just need a reasoning why I'm more into unit trust rather than insurance.

When I'm talking with my friend about my preference on unit trust, he has a strong believe in insurance, and he is in fact had 2 or 3 different insurance.
He somehow make me in doubt.
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Insurance and unit trust are like comparing orange and apple, it serve different purpose.
Insurance more for coverage, Unit trust more for investment. SO u need to know what is your vision and mission b4 u decide which product to choose.
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Am dynamic bond fund will be a good choice if one managed to get waiver on the 1% exit fee after 90 days. With the zero cost initial fee means if u invest rm100, all your rm100 is fully invested, compare to PM that charge 0.25%, only Rm99.75 is invested.

Anyway, 1% mgmt fee fir am dynamic bond is at the high side, shd hv charging 0.5% or leas, bond funds do not need active monitoring thus the cost is lower. Am dynamic bond fund is not a bad buy if the management consider my points as above
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QUOTE(jtleon @ Jul 25 2011, 10:31 PM)
for public mutual fund, you can find the data here
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx


Added on July 25, 2011, 10:46 pmI found that Kenaga Growth fund is no worse than Public Growth fund in terms of the returns, while fees for PGF is 5.5% and KGF is 2% through fundsupermart.
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Fundsupermart.com is getting popular now
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 26 2011, 02:53 PM)
FundSupermart's good on the surface so far. I've still yet to get my head wrapped around their SWITCHING of funds, intra-fund houses & inter-fund houses  tongue.gif. Anyone here can crystalize it? I called them and i'm still blury (IQ not too high, what to do)

The other part is unsolvable - OSK's behind it heheh tongue.gif (look @ the recent debacle on DRBHICOM)
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i have no experience with FSM Malaysia, FSM HK is doing a good job..consistanttly offer Equity Fund @ 1% and Bond Fund @ 0%, and provide free switching. Meaning u can get any equity fund at 1% (with the advantage of switching). Better to become a PM agent...in terms of cost for equity fund investment
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 11 2011, 06:49 PM)
Perhaps the slappers should look into the mirror and ponder whether they can be conned if they weren't that greedy to believe "20%pa returns for sure wan" + take the responsibility for their own mistakes and learn. Else tuition paid yet still "not smart enough" to know a kam sau from a proper investment agent. Right or right? OR it's ALWAYS someone else fault, not their own? tongue.gif
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one don't do their home work, solely relying on agent 's advice shd not call agent kam sau lah, one shd responsible for their investment decision
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 17 2011, 04:11 PM)
Money market is not for anyone to "invest".

Money market fund mostly suit to corporate to place some temporarily significant pile of cash.
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yeah... Bond fund is the better place to temporary park your fund while waiting for the next correction in equity
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 18 2011, 04:35 PM)
Bond fund is bond fund
Money market fund is money market fund.
2 totally different.
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Being a finance major postgraduate i know the difference, i just compare that money market fund, and bond fund's performance.
Each of them carry different level of risk, but the sharp rotio for bond funds are better off.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 25 2011, 09:04 PM)
Recently I bought CIMB-Principal Australian Equity Fund from CIMBClicks.
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the sales charge is only 2% if i am not mistaken
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Oct 5 2011, 10:17 PM)
anaylist said it will worse than 2008.

If switch now, also difficult lo....

Wait it grow back a bit 1st rclxub.gif
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these 2 days, market will rebound, grasp the opportunity to swicth....if u r pessimist on the market
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 9 2011, 11:49 PM)
CIMBClicks eInvest promotion extended and getting better:

Type of Funds | Normal Sales Charge | Promotional Sales Charge*
Equity Funds | 5.0 – 6.5% | 1.5%
Index Funds | 1.0 – 3.0% | 0.75%
All Bond Funds | 1.0 – 2.0% | 0.0 – 1.5%
All Money Market Funds | 0%

*Enjoy a sales charge of 1.5% for investment(s) on any Equity Unit Trust funds via CIMB Clicks eInvest.

Offer is valid from 8 November to 31 December 2011.

Previous promotion was at 2%!

URL: http://www.cimbclicks.com.my/unitrust_intro.htm
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Hope Public Mutual will follow the steps to reduce their service charge....to promote their online investment facilities.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 22 2011, 08:55 PM)
PB, thus PM, very old-skool lar. I also beh tahan until i joined "the darkside" in order to save cost for me & mine  yawn.gif
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Let PM stays with the 5.5% sales charge for the agent to "cari makan"....and guiding those inexperienced investors to invest. The agents shd be rewarded by spending time in educating the investors.

WHen ppl are becoming more educated, read financial report of companies, read economics news, they shd able to judge themselves. Experienced and educated investors are sensitive on investment cost. PM shd open up PB series funds for 1.5%-2% sales commission, to join the competition with CIMB, Fundsupermart, or else how can they stay competitive in the market???

PM/PB is not the evergreen fund house that always at the top 10% achievers list, other smaller competitors are picking up.
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QUOTE(transit @ Nov 22 2011, 09:25 PM)
Just wanted to know some of your feeling(s) when you pay the Tax of 6% & Service Charges of 10% when dining in a restaurant compare to paying the SC% to the UTMC (Unit Trust Management Company)? Any thought?
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feel the same pain for both incidents... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 22 2011, 09:41 PM)
Many investors join PM as agent just to enjoy lower net charges.
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and yet still paying higher SC compared to CIMB Clicks and FSM

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