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cheahcw2003
post Apr 6 2010, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 6 2010, 12:18 PM)
Actually the bond fund which I have been monitoring for some time is the Templeton Global Bond Fund, so far it's been very stable and have good returns, so it's more "bond" like.  rclxms.gif

It invest in a large amount of countries in govt bonds, thereby spreading the risks and have low deviation of 9%.  laugh.gif Credit rating of A, 5.81% yield and average maturity of 5.57 years, with annualized returns of about 10% over last 5 years. A good risk-return results.  nod.gif
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i had templeton bond fund 6 months ago, switched to the other 3 templeton bond funds already. Templeton Global Bond return is slower than the other 3 that i mentioned. Templeton Global total return fund also low risk and better return. Guess that we have different appetite on bond funds....

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post Apr 17 2010, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 17 2010, 04:20 PM)
WTA:

Is there an Unit Trust equivalent to Stock Performance Guide by Dynaquest.

A book where all the fact sheet of Unit Trust in Malaysia can be found.

Thanks.

Xuzen
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can get the book on the book store?
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post Apr 22 2010, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 22 2010, 08:37 AM)
Bid Price = NAV = Price you get when you sell

Offer Price = NAV + Sales Charge = Price you get when you buy

Some funds do not have sales charge but have redemption charge. Also all funds have annual management fees & trustee fees. Some foreign funds have double layer charges as the local fund invest in a foreign fund. Some hedge funds have high watermark charges as well, which can be substantial amount of profits. For Islamic funds, the charges are based on % of the profits which they will pocket, in addition to running costs. Please read the prospectus and understand all charges before you proceed.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Some investment especially ILP's, have the charges taken out directly from your premium. These are usually not declared and very substantial.
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i agree, the sales charge of mutual fund/unit trust in Malaysia is very expensive. You loose 5-6% b4 u start to gain.
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post Apr 22 2010, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Apr 22 2010, 12:05 PM)
Well, as long as they can recover the losses in long run, I'm ok with it. A question though, what's the distribution for the 5-6% of sales charges? How many goes to agent and how many actually goes to the fund manager?
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for the case of Public mutual, out of the 5.5%, agent gets 2.5% to 3.0% depends on your ranking. The rest will go to the Public Mutual.
As for the annual management fee/preformance fee/ trustee fee, they will all go to Public Mutual. I guess.
5.5% is too much, chinese saying: 未见官,已被打三十大板。
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post Apr 22 2010, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(leongal @ Apr 22 2010, 02:03 PM)
trustee fee will go to the trustee, not the utmc
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yes u r right.
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post Jun 9 2010, 04:04 PM

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since they are listed in KLSE, so another thing to take notes is the volume. Unless u want to keep it for very long term otherwise, u may have problem with the low volume problems. For example, in HKG/SIN there are > 50 ETFs for you to choose from, but not all have high volume/active, the bad things is when u want to sell to realise the profit, u may not able to do so, as no takers, or there are some taker, but they may queue up at very low price, which do not represent the actual value of the said ETF. Similary, when u wanted to buy.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 15 2010, 02:27 PM)
Then same with fundsupermarket.

https://www.eunittrust.com.my/
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I am the fans of FSM in Hk, from time to time they give promotion rates of sales charge, for fixed income fund at 0.25% and equity funds at 1%. sales charges affect the number of units u can buy hence affect the fund performance. Very important factor. Unfortunately many msian investors don't care abt this factor
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 16 2010, 03:07 PM)
They sell more international funds, which are barred from Malaysia (to protect the local fund industry). In fact for performance outside from Malaysia, these intentional funds have better expertise for foreign investment, so far I have compared, I have no good alternative offered by Malaysian Fund Companies. I hold, Malaysia funds and bonds by Malaysian fund companies (Mostly Public Mutual), but my foreign fund holdings are mostly from International fund companies such as Templeton, Fidelity, Aberdeen, DWS and First State.  rclxms.gif

Any reason to limit yourself to Malaysian fund companies? The world is your oyster.  flex.gif
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1st time i heard of Dollardex...i think it is similar to FSM, the only thing is Dollardex offer more products like Housing Loan, Insurance and ect.
So far i am happy with FSM service especially the HK one, as they offer online LIVE help when u need it (during office hour), can open accountabroad, just post the application form and cheque to start the ball rolling.....Perhaps FSM/Dollardex can push down the sales charge of our local mutual fund companies.....the current 3-6% sales charges are way to high....
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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 16 2010, 04:14 PM)
Dollardex is quite similar to FSM.sg, in fact thier fund offering is 80% overlap. I also like the service given by FSm.sg very much, been their client for many many years, but recently the have the platform fee thingy, so I am moving my assets to another fund house or ETF.
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what do u meant by platform fee? i never heard abt it from FSM HK, what is their sales charge difference for say Templeton total return bond fund and Templeton asia growth funds?
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post Sep 16 2010, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Sep 16 2010, 05:02 PM)
Platform fee is a fee introduced by FSM.sg which charges 0.5% p.a. and 0.2% p.a. for equity and bond funds holdings. In exchange we get lower sales charge of 0.75%-1.25% equity and 0.1% to 0.75% bond, with free switching. Not worth it unless you buy, sell, switch your fund very often. Due to the new fee structure (and protests), they are now offering 0.85% for all equity funds until end of year. I staying put, and buy until their offer runs out, then switch to other fund house by transferring my holdings at no charge.  laugh.gif

In fact if you are sneaky, buy bond funds at 0.1% + 0.5% switching charge = 0.6% to buy new equity funds. sweat.gif

Dollardex is more expensive, and charges 2% for both Templeton funds, but for longer term it's good.
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well planned for buying equity fund at 0.6% sales charge !! rclxms.gif

FSM HK do not charge any platform fee, if they start charging, i will start to transfer out my funds also...
i managed to lock in some fund when FSM -HK offer Equity funds at 1% sales charge and Fixed income/Bond fund at 0.25%....now stop buying when the offer is over, now stay put until they have next offer coming up....

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QUOTE(buylowsellhigh @ Oct 21 2010, 09:58 PM)
this is a good starting point.
May i suggest you correct the initial cost, with epf investment, the sales charge is actually capped at 3%.
Secondly, management fee is indirect cost, it is already reflected in the NAV or dividend so no need to deduct unless you believe the % is inflated. we dont see it being deducted directly in our statements.
in EPF there is no capital appreciation, only dividend.
In unit trust, there is both, although there is also capital depreciation.

there is also a twist. In reality, when market is up typical total net return is 20% or more per
year. This is not reading the report or prospectus, this is money in my account. When market is down it can be of similar magnitude. But in general, there is more up years than down. 

Perhaps using an average % per year is okey if you are buying and hold but unlike epf, we are allowed switching. if you do switching, or you have a unit trust consultant who advise switching, the negative impact of a down market can be significantly minimized. This can absolutely be achieved by means of a trend following system as described in my blog or something simple. Example being switch to bond fund when market is down by a certain percentage from a recent high and get back into equity fund when market is a certain percentage higher than its low and have moved up for six weeks, just as example.
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Thanks Buylowsellhigh, it clears all my doubt in the Management fees which already incorporated in the performance of the fund.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 22 2010, 12:23 AM)
Those period from 2006-7 to 2008-2009, are all being swept under the carpet.

I have one relative invested in China theme fund (back then China market is the hottest topic), bought a fund starting at 0.25, after years now 0.17~0.19, and get zero dividend in between.
What's good about 30~40% rise from the bottom for her? Something to cheer about?
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Perhaps we shd use 10 years return, we can trace any fund performance using 1990-2000 period to show the better picture.
During this period, it shows at least 3 downturns, Sept 11 in 2001, SARS issue in 2003 and Lehman Brother subprime in end 2008.
UT Investment is for long term..looking at 10 years average return will give u a rough ideas how the fund performs on all the ups and downs...

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 22 2010, 12:40 AM)
Yes & No.

I can choose the 10 years period which give best performance while there is another 10 years period with worst one.

For eg.
1996 to 2005, the performance won't be very good.
1998/99 to 2007, superb performance.

For future 10 years,
If I use 2007 as my next starting point, it won't able to match another one with 2008.

With 2 set of data, it also doesn't address how well the fund performance without any benchmarking.
By looking how much % has gain, doesn't mean the fund is performing good or not.
A fund may register 50% gain during the period, but if I bought Genting share during that time, around Rm3-4, I gain 150%.

UT performance is about benchmarking. If the UT is not performing well or just match the benchmarking indices, why I paid 5-6% initial service charges and annual fee of 1.5% for the service?
I might as well invested directly into indices, like index ETF, owning index, owning index futures etc.
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It depends on what u want to compare, if your purpose is to find out the best performing fund then u can use the same period of time to compare for all funds. Say 1990 to 2000. Then u make your own decision as a reference....
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QUOTE(MNet @ Nov 16 2010, 03:54 PM)
search google dude

dont lazy
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QUOTE(ganabathi @ Feb 11 2011, 09:40 PM)
overheat means?
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Overheat means the price is at high side....
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QUOTE(transit @ Apr 29 2011, 01:37 PM)
Public Mutual Small Cap Fund will be closed for new investment and additional investment from 05 May 2011. (Thursday)
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Just opened for a very short period???
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QUOTE(transit @ Apr 29 2011, 02:34 PM)
haha! call me if you are in PG wanted to know more details about P Small Cap Fund. Time is Money.
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that is ok. I invested in P Small Cap when it was 1st launched, around 10 years ago.
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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ May 1 2011, 02:29 PM)
Btw, the fund managers will manage the funds for the customers right?
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if u ask this kind of question better learn what is mutual fund b4 u make any move.
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QUOTE(dreamer1202 @ May 2 2011, 08:31 PM)
Wahhh, u've bought tis since it 1st launch, then u might hav been making alot of $$. did u exercise dollar cost averaging?? If u didnt it would b a real waste....
i saw de chart performance of tis fund can bring returns up to 383%. Did u?
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i did a lump sum investment in year 1999 or 2000, cant remember. On and off i did add the fund, i dont believe in DCA method. i invest only when i feel the timing is right.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ May 4 2011, 07:28 PM)
another alternative is to do DCA + lump sum investments. for example, if you expect to have 12,000 for investment in unit trust. you can use 8000 for DCA, and spare another 4k for lump sum investments when the market is down sharply. this 4k can be split into 2 or 3 investments if you expect there are 2-3 major corrections in a year, which is quite normal.

by investing this way, DCA will take care normal investment so that you dont miss out the investment opportunity due to incorrect prediction/insight, and lump sum for opportunistic investment.
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no, i dont tust DCA method. Most agents promote DCA so that they can get the regular income every month.

Historical proven that Value Averaging method works better than DCA. By the way, i am not a salary earner, do not have regular mothly income, so DCA doesnt work for me, but this is not the main reason i dont use DCA method.


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