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darkknight81
post Sep 2 2008, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 2 2008, 08:01 PM)
Hmm, actually you should have asked BEFORE buying into any funds. That is the right thing to do.
I am intrigued by how so many people can buy into something they don't know, yet saying "I bought Fund X, you think it's good?" Sorry no offence, but as a consultant, my job is to let prospective investors know that they should do their own due diligence before buying any funds.

Anyway, I hope it is not too late for you as the cooling-off period is only 6 days~ smile.gif
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How about Public Ittikal Fund? I am eyeing on it. I think it is good for long term investment. The annual dividend is around 7 sen per year. Considering the price at 80 sen now looks quite attractive. Can encourage ppl buying into it i think.
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post Sep 3 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 2 2008, 11:25 PM)
In unit trust, you can't do comparison like that. The annual distribution is not stable, as it can go up to 15 sen or even 0 sen. So, if you look at just the distribution at 7 sen now (8.8% DY), so what if there's no distribution for the next FY? Your DY will equal to ZERO. Also, that distribution was paid out based on last year's superbull performance. Since we are facing a little "shake" now, what you think this year's distribution would be? I am suggesting something around 3.5 - 4 sen. So, if you sell to clients by saying "Hey look, our DY is 8%, it is a good buy". Then imagine this year's distribution is going to be 4 sen, at the price of 0.80, the yield is 5%. How would you explain to your clients?

So to put it simply, research on the fundamentals and look into the portfolio of the fund. Make a detailed analysis of the prospects, and then decide if it is a good buy for long term. So when your clients need your explanation, show them your analysis. Then they will trust you more and have confidence in you.
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The best way is the let them know what company Public ittiikal invested into. That is the most important things right? biggrin.gif
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post Sep 6 2008, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(stan09 @ Sep 6 2008, 10:29 AM)
how can i know more about what company the fund is investing on?as far as I can know, PM only list out 5 of their biggest investment for each fund
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Try to get the annual report of that fund if you can. From there you can know the full list of investment by that particular PM fund.

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post Sep 29 2008, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(StevenHeng @ Sep 29 2008, 09:14 PM)
now public mutual fund dropping? is it a good time buy it at cheaper price? -,-
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YOU BUY any fund before? Y you choose public mutual??
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post Sep 29 2008, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(StevenHeng @ Sep 29 2008, 09:32 PM)
dont noe maybe i used to work in public bank =.= ahaha
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Even you say fund is being manage by professionals, but you still gotta know basically what this fund invested into, which country, which sector of business, what type of company and so on.
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post Nov 1 2008, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(fral @ Oct 31 2008, 11:23 PM)
hi guys.. new to this discussion tongue.gif  I have a question regarding mutual fund. I hope any sifoos can give me a hand, and share your expertise.

From my knowledge, usually we invest in mutual fund for 2 main purposes: income or growth, or both. Say I hold some units in a fund, for capital growth. Does it mean that I hope to gain based on the price of the fund? For example I bought a CIMB fund for 0.23 per unit, so I hope in a few years, THE PRICE OF THE FUND will appreciate so I can resell it?

One more thing, do ALL fund give dividend?
Thank you for yr assistance.
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You got to see the fund is either Growth fund or income fund.

Growth fund mostly invest in growth stock so normally don have dividend. This type of fund normally fluctuate a lot in the pricing. Normally ppl buy this type of fund for capital appreciation which means if you bought at RM 0.23 SEN you will probably hope that it will go up to 30 sen or more .

Income/dividend fund mostly invest in dividend stock which means yes you can get dividend from this fund.
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post Nov 4 2008, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(spriggan @ Nov 4 2008, 04:28 PM)
Public Aggressive Growth Fund is it good time to buy ..? just seek opinion to make decision.
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If your intention is to buy at the bottom then i think probably now is not the time yet...From the fund name we know that it is mostly invest in growth stocks...
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post Nov 24 2008, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(chuken123 @ Nov 24 2008, 07:22 PM)
if now i'm at outstation, can i switch my fund with another agent at public bank?
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Yes you can switch your fund with another agent. nod.gif
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post Nov 24 2008, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(allwerp @ Nov 24 2008, 11:01 PM)
thanks kingkong81 for the explanation..is there any way to reduce or negotiate for a reduction for the service charge??i'm currently paying 5% for PEF..
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No way lol...Unless your agent give discount to you ....which means he / she get less commision....
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post Dec 4 2008, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(vyncyi @ Dec 4 2008, 04:12 PM)
hi.
i hope someone can enlighten me on this matter.
although this is probably a very dumb question but hopefully someone will be kind enough to explain it to me.
so, in what condition would a unit trust fund close down? and the likelihood of that happening based on the global financial situation currently?
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A fund will close down unless all the unit holder withdraw their investment due to panic. The possibility is very low indeed. I beliv global economy slowdown won lead to fund close down unless that certain fund management facing problems.
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post Dec 7 2008, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(shawn8 @ Dec 7 2008, 09:01 PM)
For investment, anytime is a good time. If you save your money in bank, the money may get depreciate due to inflation. So, I would recommend that you practice 'dollar cost averaging' . set aside certain amount say 40% for saving 60% for investment. regular investment a month once can ensure you optimize your investment and lower your risk. you can visit http://unittrust8.blogspot.com for more info.
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Sure the unit trust agent /advisor ask you to practise dollar cost averaging if not how can they earn your money... Indeed by practising dollar cost average you better put into FD.....
You might not gain anything in the end

Take for example

a) you bought 5k during market is peak....

b)When it drops 30 more percent you buy another 5k

c) By the time it drops 60% you don have enough guts or money to buy already


For it to fully recover it may took 10 years ... For your information those who bought unit trust before 1997 crash still cannot recover their losses until today ...

Yup dollar cost averaging is very easy method... but it not the right way ....

This post has been edited by b00n: Dec 8 2008, 01:16 AM
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post Dec 7 2008, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(shawn8 @ Dec 7 2008, 09:16 PM)
You have a good practice. Bravo. Regular investment monthly is practicing 'dollar cost averaging'. This is the best way to optimize return and minimize risk. Plan for your goal and don't be fear when market is bad. When market recover, and achieve your goal, sell off your unit and redeem cash. Just like what i did in 2002 (after 911, during US-Iraq war) Two years when market recover, I earn 50% return. Believe me, market will recover. It's a cycle. To know more, email me at unittrust8@gmail.com, or visit http://unittrust8.blogspot.com


Added on December 7, 2008, 8:32 pm

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Invest 5k once is NOT dollar cost averaging. It's LUMP SUM investment. You can break 5K into smaller portion and invest say 200 monthly. There is an explanation of dollar cost averaging in http://unittrust8.blogspot.com. Invest in Unit Trust should NOT be governed by greed. Invest medium to LONG term will benefit. Plan for your goal, once your goal achieve, sell off and gain back your return. I gained my 50% return in early 2008 before market crash in 2nd Quarter 2008. Of course, you need to choose a reliable and reputable unit trust company. To know how I do it, email me at unittrust8@gmail.com
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Ok take for example during economy boom time for example last two years, assuming that you bought 200 per month. Right now almost all the fund depreciated 50 - 60% already... How long will it take to recover ? Probably 10 years and some fund cannot even recover as you got to see what type of stock they invest into.

I would prefer buying one lump sum during recession when you feel that the price is ok.

Investment is never an easy job like keep on pump money without seeing the market conditions and what the fund invest into is very important too.

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post Dec 7 2008, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(shawn8 @ Dec 7 2008, 09:59 PM)
For your info, i started to increase my investment last 3 years ago in 2005. Also, for your info, market in 2 years ago, 2006 is not really good. It started to recover in early 2007. At that time, I already realized and knew recession going to hit us in 2008 or 2009 based on 10 years recession cycle. Luckily, greed never governed my instinct. I cut down my investment and slowly sell of my units in 2008 2nd quarter. You can say luck or anything, but I feel that's the magic of 'dollar cost averaging'. It really minimize my RISK. Because we will NEVER know when the PRICE IS OK. unittrust8@gmail.com
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Thats shows the importance of MARKET TIMING in investment like what i said biggrin.gif

If not y you need to reduce your monthly 200 saving of (dollar cost averaging)
Y should you sell off your investment ?

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post Dec 8 2008, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(B u B u @ Dec 8 2008, 01:55 PM)
Appreciated all the warm replies  notworthy.gif  but...after all the reading I still don't know what should I do with the money? More specific abit can ah?  rclxms.gif

tq
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Lol save inside ASW, ASM easy and moderate return. Average 7% interest. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on December 8, 2008, 2:52 pm
QUOTE(shawn8 @ Dec 7 2008, 10:50 PM)

I like your question.
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I sell off a lot of unit in early 2008 because I have reached my goal that I had set back in 2005. Then now, I still keep on buying in a small scale / reduce my monthly investment in fund that have drastically drop in price. (of course it must be a good performing fund) CONCLUSION > I change my strategy of investment but I still stick to 'dollar cost averaging'.

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Ok then wink.gif As i not really agree on the statement that you posted

<<For investment, anytime is a good time. If you save your money in bank, the money may get depreciate due to inflation. So, I would recommend that you practice 'dollar cost averaging' . set aside certain amount say 40% for saving 60% for investment. regular investment a month once can ensure you optimize your investment and lower your risk. you can visit http://unittrust8.blogspot.com for more info.>>

As i think this is what most unit trust agent will tell their client which actually is not true. Market timing is very important.

Simple

Buying a good fund at low price and sell it later at higher price or you can choose to keep it if it can give you good dividends.

If you know at that time the fund price is expensive will you still buy it? Thats is what i trying to say. Certainly no right? wink.gif



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post Dec 11 2008, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(mustang @ Dec 11 2008, 10:03 PM)
So meaning we need to always check with our agents from time to time? Or the agent will update us.. If there is a way to look at it ourselves it will be faster and easier?  unsure.gif
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post Dec 1 2009, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(ansonz @ Dec 1 2009, 10:53 PM)
Seek help!!

I've been living with all debts around me for the past few years and it was really hard to pull out from this crisis. I came to this thread just wish to get some advises on how to get rid of my bad financial status so that i really can live exactly a normal life.

BREAK-DOWN:

Main Source Income:
RM2200 (after EPF Contribution)

Monthly Expenses:
Room Rental: RM250
Car Installment: RM680
Fuel: RM300
Credit Card : RM400 (Both Cards)
Personal Loan: RM170
Meal: RM700

*** Bad Debts
PTPTN: RM1.6k
Credit Cards: RM7500 ( 2 c/c)
Personal Loan: RM7000
Friends & Family: RM50k

***No savings

Conclusion:
Monthly Income  - RM2200
Monthly Expense - RM2500
Bad Debts - RM80k

Please assist me for this terrible financial mgnment or any sources that i can seek for solutions. Thank~
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One advice " Don follow what ppl have if you cannot afford to and don try to show off if you cannot afford to do so"

I don see you need to spend RM 700 for meal alone....

Lastly you posted on the wrong topic you should ask under personal financial management topic
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post Dec 21 2009, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 21 2009, 09:19 AM)
Aiyo.. just want to learn invest don;t play with warrant lah... sweat.gif , either you can gain a lot or lose everything if you are not knowledgable.  tongue.gif
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Actually all these warrants are rich ppls game for me. As they are afford to lose.
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post Jan 28 2010, 08:10 AM

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Have questions here.

1. What will the fund manager do during bull market when most ppl dump in there money into UT? Will the fund manager being forced to buy even though at high price?

2. What will the fund manager do when during bear market when most ppl withdraw their funds are they being forced to sell?


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post Jan 29 2010, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 29 2010, 12:42 AM)
Generally, yes and yes.

Fund managers have a mandate to invest up to 70% depended on the fund objective set in the trustee deed, so they generally work based on this guideline.

Fund managers cannot sit with full cash even they suspect market will crash (nobody knows), what they can do is shifting the % of cash in their portfolio.
1) Fixed income fund means the fund invested in some investment target that provide fixed income one like money market, corporate bonds etc which every year got fixed income expected to be getting one. No they don't pay fixed rate unless stated wise. Any return is based on fund performance.

Closed ended fund, means once the fund open offer is ended, then no more new fund is allowed to go in. All capital guaranteed fund is closed ended one due to nature of positioning of the fund to achieve capital guarantee objective.

2) It means when they sell the fund to you, they charge 3% on your invested amount for eg. you buy 10,000, with 3% charges, means you acutally invested 9700 only, not 10,000.

3) Target NAV means the fund is position and target for it. Details I don't know, need to read through the prospectus.

4) Yes.

5) Yes.
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Thanks again to master Cherroy. So actually i don really see any good point of buying UT especially with the high service charge of around 5%. I doubt y so many ppl still entering UT as i really cun find any good point on UT....

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post Jan 29 2010, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Jan 29 2010, 02:48 PM)
depends on ur perception of return, u prefer epf or unit trust for epf ac 1 to work for u  hmm.gif
imo, compounding starts best when young & fresh join work force 
most important is the timing, instead of investing in it every quarterly blindly  cool2.gif
for timing, pls refer klse lyn forum, real time action  rclxms.gif
oso, if u had any frens who invested in unit trust via epf, just after 1997 financial crisis, go check their ut stmt  nod.gif
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SORRY to say that i prefer to be my own fund manager wink.gif
Quit UT few years back just want to confirm with some sifu like cherroy again whether my perception is correct or not.

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