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Movies DC Presents: WONDER WOMAN, Status: Movie = YES! | TV Series = Maybe
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gaeria84
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Dec 17 2020, 05:06 PM
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Just watched it at Alamanda just now. Lepas stress sikit after many months of MCO hehe What I liked - Solid and engaging plot, crazy build-up from start to finish with the threat of global catastrophe looming with every scene. Ends with a strong message that's relevant with the times - There's also a few emotional scenes. I knew it was coming and I thought I was prepared for it, but dem, this film still made me cry - They finally fixed the villain problem from the first film. WW84 had a truly sympathetic villain (from the moment he walks into his office, you already start empathizing for him). Barbara Minerva/Cheetah was okay, but she had too few scenes - Gal Gadot hngghh factor really sells the film What I hated - Too few action scenes for a standard CBM. Honestly the director dunno how to shoot action scenes. Many lolwut and 'that doesn't obey the laws of physics at all' scenes - Jarring and low budget VFX - Fan service zzz Overall, a good solid film through and through and a worthy sequel to the first film. Really recommend this film, it gets a 4/5 from me Some additional notes: - Really loved diana and max lord's arc in this film. For max, he becomes the villain without even realizing it. Diana finally gets closure for steve
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gaeria84
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Dec 17 2020, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(sos_tiram @ Dec 17 2020, 12:13 AM) I don't know man, as a DC die hard fan reading the comics and also watching the animation, especially Wonder Woman, Even bought her expensive Hot Toys 1/6 Figures... something is definitely wrong with Wonder Woman movie this time. I can't tell further, later I spoil it but don't get me wrong! I still love this movie, I even almost crying emotionally, lots of love.. emotional, These are all in the movie. Just watch it, it's worth watching.. It's just that, maybe my expectation is way too high.. My score? Sadly, I have to give 6/10  I think many people entered the cinema hall to see wonder woman go super saiyan s2 to beat the hell out of the bad guy whilst the true meaning and message of the film flew over their heads This film kinda subverts expectations by not going with a big flashy third act with lasers and explosions, instead culminates in a clash of ideals, which has been built up from the start Yeah it has flaws but it did few things way better than the first film. Both films are almost equal in my opinion. This post has been edited by gaeria84: Dec 17 2020, 05:27 PM
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skylinelover
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Dec 18 2020, 09:25 AM
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Haha
Still waiting for southern cinema to open up
Haiyaaaaa
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6so
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Dec 18 2020, 09:35 AM
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Objectively it's just an OK movie, while some degree of improvement over the first one but not in any form or shape a masterpiece that push the genre forward. Maybe age started to catch up on me as my interest in these big budget CBM significantly deteriorates. Not enough meaningful substance for me to latch on.
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cooldude17
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Dec 18 2020, 01:01 PM
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This kind of movie best to be view at IMAX cinema, waiting impatiently for it to open (Klang Valley).😅
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Mov_freak
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Dec 18 2020, 04:30 PM
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aka. Nickelodein Weirdo
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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 18 2020, 09:35 AM) Objectively it's just an OK movie, while some degree of improvement over the first one but not in any form or shape a masterpiece that push the genre forward. Maybe age started to catch up on me as my interest in these big budget CBM significantly deteriorates. Not enough meaningful substance for me to latch on. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I can understand the role reversal between Diana and Steve. In the first movie, Steve had to introduce the world to Diana and in this one, it is the opposite, which was kind of fun. The issue I had with Steven was, he was the guys with oall the plans in the first movie and in this.... he is practically... the vase...  The the villians' motives are not well define. Barbara went from I am Diana's best friend to I hate her, I REALLY HATE HER the "trigger" being well executed. And Max Lord had all the oil in the world, and he went to the other guys for more? It is one thing to have a tagline "Life is good, but it can be better." to change it into action... again, where is the trigger? The above are the two biggest "HUH?" moments for me in the movie...
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6so
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Dec 19 2020, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 18 2020, 05:30 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I can understand the role reversal between Diana and Steve. In the first movie, Steve had to introduce the world to Diana and in this one, it is the opposite, which was kind of fun. The issue I had with Steven was, he was the guys with oall the plans in the first movie and in this.... he is practically... the vase...  The the villians' motives are not well define. Barbara went from I am Diana's best friend to I hate her, I REALLY HATE HER the "trigger" being well executed. And Max Lord had all the oil in the world, and he went to the other guys for more? It is one thing to have a tagline "Life is good, but it can be better." to change it into action... again, where is the trigger? The above are the two biggest "HUH?" moments for me in the movie... My issue with this movie is all the superficial surface level narrative. Kinda going through a series of checkbox with unfulfilling payoffs. The saving grace Gal Gardot still the quintessential WW that you ignore all the plot holes because of her presence. The first movie is the charming fish out of water moment meanwhile here borderline revisiting an old cliche with role reversal. This sequel just lacks an iconic scene like the first one with no man's land assault and the human dramas less gripping for me. If I shut my brain off still can rewatch just that it's not offensive enough for me to completely shut it off like some MCU films.
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gaeria84
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Dec 19 2020, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Dec 18 2020, 04:30 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I can understand the role reversal between Diana and Steve. In the first movie, Steve had to introduce the world to Diana and in this one, it is the opposite, which was kind of fun. The issue I had with Steven was, he was the guys with oall the plans in the first movie and in this.... he is practically... the vase...  The the villians' motives are not well define. Barbara went from I am Diana's best friend to I hate her, I REALLY HATE HER the "trigger" being well executed. And Max Lord had all the oil in the world, and he went to the other guys for more? It is one thing to have a tagline "Life is good, but it can be better." to change it into action... again, where is the trigger? The above are the two biggest "HUH?" moments for me in the movie... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1. Him coming back is just wish fulfillment for diana. Towards the end, she chose to renounce her wish, finally accepting that steve is already gone and giving her needed closure 2. Barbara made a wish to be like diana. She saw that diana is planning to stop max lord, thus undoing all the wishes. She didn't want this. And no, she didn't hate her, she just didn't want her wish to be undone 3. For max lord, it was just one thing led to another actually. Once he had all the oil, he was getting annoyed that the US government is trying to poke too much into his business matters, thus he sets up a meeting with the president to get them to lay off and leave him alone. That's when he found out about the satellite dish. Also he noticed his health was deteriorating due to increased wish fulfillment, thus has been trying to get more wishes so he can restore his health
In flashbacks, he was getting bullied for being a loser. And he doesn't want to be seen as a loser by his son. He's motivated to get success and be seen as a successful person, by any means necessary. His problem is that eventhough he already got what he wanted, it never seems enough and he keeps wanting more and more.
This post has been edited by gaeria84: Dec 19 2020, 11:56 AM
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red1982
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Dec 19 2020, 03:34 PM
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man the ending is not justified ... with all the chaos he done why just like that shake head
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gaeria84
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Dec 19 2020, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(red1982 @ Dec 19 2020, 03:34 PM) man the ending is not justified ... with all the chaos he done why just like that shake head » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Why not justified? Once max lord renounced his wish, it's almost as if it never happened. Also what crime are you gonna pin on him? Granting wishes?
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red1982
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Dec 19 2020, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Dec 19 2020, 04:03 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Why not justified? Once max lord renounced his wish, it's almost as if it never happened. Also what crime are you gonna pin on him? Granting wishes? means after he renounced it all dont remember what he do
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gaeria84
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Dec 19 2020, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(red1982 @ Dec 19 2020, 04:10 PM) means after he renounced it all dont remember what he do  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « He didn't wish for the nukes, or cause direct harm to anyone. He just gave it to people who wished for it. In return, he only took the oil, ask the government to leave him alone and wanted to fix his deteriorating health
Also he knows what he did was wrong but he just didn't know just how bad the extent of his wrongdoings until diana made him realize itby showing him a vision of his son wandering the streets just before nuclear fallout
Although they didn't show his fate in the movie, it's left open ended. It's assumed he will face justice
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Mov_freak
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Dec 20 2020, 08:50 AM
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aka. Nickelodein Weirdo
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Dec 19 2020, 11:56 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1. Him coming back is just wish fulfillment for diana. Towards the end, she chose to renounce her wish, finally accepting that steve is already gone and giving her needed closure 2. Barbara made a wish to be like diana. She saw that diana is planning to stop max lord, thus undoing all the wishes. She didn't want this. And no, she didn't hate her, she just didn't want her wish to be undone 3. For max lord, it was just one thing led to another actually. Once he had all the oil, he was getting annoyed that the US government is trying to poke too much into his business matters, thus he sets up a meeting with the president to get them to lay off and leave him alone. That's when he found out about the satellite dish. Also he noticed his health was deteriorating due to increased wish fulfillment, thus has been trying to get more wishes so he can restore his health
In flashbacks, he was getting bullied for being a loser. And he doesn't want to be seen as a loser by his son. He's motivated to get success and be seen as a successful person, by any means necessary. His problem is that eventhough he already got what he wanted, it never seems enough and he keeps wanting more and more.
 » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1. Him coming back is just wish fulfillment for diana. Towards the end, she chose to renounce her wish, finally accepting that steve is already gone and giving her needed closureCorrect, which made his role here ... a vase? I do really like how their established Wonder Woman's Invisible Jet!  Sad that she did not think to do this for Batman's Crawler in Justice League... 2. Barbara made a wish to be like diana. She saw that diana is planning to stop max lord, thus undoing all the wishes. She didn't want this. And no, she didn't hate her, she just didn't want her wish to be undone
Gosh, she fought Diana like she really hated her. 3. For max lord, it was just one thing led to another actually. Once he had all the oil, he was getting annoyed that the US government is trying to poke too much into his business matters, thus he sets up a meeting with the president to get them to lay off and leave him alone. That's when he found out about the satellite dish. Also he noticed his health was deteriorating due to increased wish fulfillment, thus has been trying to get more wishes so he can restore his health. In flashbacks, he was getting bullied for being a loser. And he doesn't want to be seen as a loser by his son. He's motivated to get success and be seen as a successful person, by any means necessary. His problem is that eventhough he already got what he wanted, it never seems enough and he keeps wanting more and more.This was the part where I thought they wanted too great a leap from the audience. His company owns an obscene amout of oil... and he decided to fly to Egypt? Also, how did he figure out that when get granted wishes, he can get things from the people he granted the wish for... And what's up with the Greek god that made this granting wish crystal? I understand that DC did not want Marvel to think they are trying to create their own Loki (I hope this is NOT a segway to something like that). Would be nice if it was explain want the God intended to achieve by creating this...
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sos_tiram
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Dec 20 2020, 10:26 AM
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New Member
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Don't click if haven't watch » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « When Diana learnt how to fly, I thought she will use the ability at the ending battle with Cheetah. At least visible to us how she dodging the bullets with flying ability instead of the sound effect. This is like pleasing the fans, why she can't fly, why no invisible jet etc etc. Better cutoff that flying school and also, why swinging around when she can fly (during battle with cheetah)
really disappointed with Cheetah, her origin is from the wish? I just shaking my head in the cinema, why don't follow the comic book. Come on.. she is the arch enemy of wonder woman and very weak in this movie. the finishing is like... rushing. Always about electrical thing
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Lurker
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Dec 20 2020, 10:30 AM
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so Max Lord renounced, The stone comes back?
oh.. and I shouted in Cinema... oh Mando!
This post has been edited by Lurker: Dec 20 2020, 10:30 AM
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skylinelover
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Dec 21 2020, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Dec 20 2020, 10:30 AM) so Max Lord renounced, The stone comes back? oh.. and I shouted in Cinema... oh Mando! Ouch
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ray148
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Dec 26 2020, 10:19 PM
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This is terrible. WTF happen? There's an allegory regarding Israel-Palestine in it that is racist as fuck.
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sos_tiram
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Dec 27 2020, 12:06 AM
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New Member
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This is why I'm worried that the movie will be going down hill once it is released in the US The plot is really mess.. never ever i bashed DC movies before, as a DC comic fan, It is really painful to watch my beloved character wonder woman written like this The actors are good, but the plot? the scripts? P/S: The f*ck they are using 'beautiful lies' score at the end I only see bruce wayne with that song... Angry DC Fan
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Zyrise5465
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Dec 27 2020, 02:32 AM
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This is utter disappointing... The fact that these kind of script writing got green light is a fucking joke....
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stevenryl86
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Dec 27 2020, 04:02 AM
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3 of 5
Saving the two children scene omfg?
You can clearly see the doll hand.
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