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post May 26 2008, 07:01 AM

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It's been a while, but here is some new pictures of Teddy smile.gif

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He is eating upside down lol!
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do i need to separate out the daughter which born by my fatty and slimmy?? she is about 7 month right now... btw, fatty another baby is going to come out soon... saw him/her in the pouch, fur alreaady grow... dunno is son or daughter this time. hehe....
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post May 26 2008, 09:42 AM

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he is hanging on top of the cage and looking what i am doing tongue.gif
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i put a big slice of honey dew there and play with him outside cage =.=


here~ this 2 is my little baby casper pic o...i get da pic yesterday de.. tongue.gif
cindy de not yet take yet...but cindy is much more bigger den casper .. how come a ?

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post May 26 2008, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Reanne @ May 26 2008, 06:03 AM)
Pennywise, your 2 joeys have always been crabby but with time and proper handling they will slowly adapt to you. If they run away from you into a tight area, please don't try to stick your hand in to dig them out or if they refuse to come out of the pouch, don't shake the pouch or scare them. Off the lights and wait for them, or find out what's their favourite food and use it to lure them out. Never attempt to dig out any cornered animal as this time is when they are most defensive and terrified, their bite will be extra painful and deep and you may possibly instill fear into them being cornered.

The kitchen glove wasn't a wise choice to use as a barrier from Moka's teeth. You should have mentally prepared yourself to be nipped a few times. Once they've understood that your hand is not harmful, they will get used to you quicker. Putting her on your body and using the glove to pick her up won't help with her fear of your bare hands, as our hands resemble claws, so it may make them feel threatened in an instinctive way. Moreover, the kitchen glove is big and difficult to get a good hold on the joey, so excessive grabbing, touching here and there would make it more stressful.

Waiting for her to quiet down and then put her back into the cage is bad since you're using the kitchen glove to hold her down. It may make her dread playtime outside since she's gonna be flattened by a huge thing until she's tired then she'll be looking forward to going back into her cage, not to spend time with you. To put it plainly, it ends the bonding session on a bad note.

Suck it up and let her nip you a few times. DO NOT PULL BACK. I got nipped by her a couple of times, it may sting a little, but after that all I needed to do was slowly pick her up and she didn't attempt to nip me anymore after the second day. She already understood 'This strange thing didn't hurt me the last time though biting it didn't make it go away, it brings me yummy food so I guess it's okay.'

If you pull back, she will actually learn that biting you means the new thing (Your hand) will go away, and since she's afraid of you already, she'd rather have it that way.

One more thing, I have a strong feeling you should have left them be a day or 2 more to get used to their surroundings before attempting to even touch them. Animals that have undergone stress through journeys need a full day to 3 days of complete rest to adapt to their surroundings as the stress suppresses their immune system and needs time to dissipate.

For crabby joeys that we warned are crabby, should be given more time to rest before handling them as they stress easier as crabbing is usually a sign of stress and a sign of being afraid.

Joeys that are calmer tend to be ok to handle after a day or 2.
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Reanne, thank you for your lengthy advise. I dont mind the crabbiness. In fact, I love the sound. However, I will put a stop to the kitchen mitten. Yes, they are calmer yesterday after the tent-time. It was hard with them running around but once they got to the shoulders, they were fine and they let me touch them. I am going to do this every night until they are familiar with me. Thanks again!


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QUOTE(mikozai @ May 26 2008, 09:42 AM)
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he is hanging on top of the cage and looking what i am doing tongue.gif
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i put a big slice of honey dew there and play with him outside cage =.=
here~ this 2 is my little baby casper pic o...i get da pic yesterday de.. tongue.gif
cindy de not yet take yet...but cindy is much more bigger den casper .. how come a ?
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miko, what cage is that? Can you post up a picture of the whole cage? Worry the cage too small for them.

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post May 26 2008, 09:48 AM

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wah.. ur pic format so large wan... luckily i can saved them n resized lo... hehe.. btw, ur cage is small or big? u using the bird cage izit?
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post May 26 2008, 09:51 AM

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pennywise, u also upload photo la.. i wanna see ma... hehe.. when's my turn to get SG??? huhu
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post May 26 2008, 09:56 AM

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ya..this cage is quite small de..it just a bird cage...last time use to hav 2 small birdy inside..but they fly away liao T.T...
btw, the medium size cage i going to get it in this week at petshack lu~
hope petshack hav the stock..hehe..going to buy a cage + wheel + another set of cagestuff since the previous 1 need to wash liao..
btw, any1 know how to wash those pouches ? just put them in plain water or hav to put delto and clean them ?
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post May 26 2008, 11:02 AM

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Wahhh liouuu! Another long post to reply...

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 23 2008, 08:30 PM)
Then, we look for some gloves at home and pick them up with it...
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As everyone has mentioned, a glove is a No-No... It will cover up your scent and can scare the suggies more.

I think you are trying to grab or pick them up too soon lah. I only started picking up my suggies after they are familiar with me... All the while I just offer my hand for them to smell or explore...

Anyway, Hun and Reanne has advised you a lot on this smile.gif

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 23 2008, 10:50 PM)
OK, we have decided on their names.
1. The elder foxy lady will be named Luna!
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Luna Ariel Tsukino says "Hi!" to Luna tongue.gif

QUOTE(spirit of demon @ May 24 2008, 09:24 AM)
i think they wont hurt too much lah.. if fall down.. coz in the wild, they oso jump like tat.. n fall down quite often.. but, they will learn after fall..
my glider oso like to jump or leap like tat... when they on my shoulder.. n i pasted by curtain..they sure jump to the curtain one.. sweat.gif
juz may b they are too young.. dun know how to glide yet.. still learning.. haha
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In the wild, if they fall, it's on soft soil... Here, if they fall, it's splat on solid cement floor!

There's a big difference there. So it's not okay actually.

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 24 2008, 10:08 AM)
Yea, I did put 4 pieces of tissue inside the sleeping pouch to prevent them from dirtying the pouch when they poop. But it's hard to get them out since one of their four hands will be grabbing onto the pouch itself. Until tissue tear also wont come out, so terbalikkan the thing and shake them out slowly lor. Now feed and played with them already, let them rest.
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Hmm... hmm.gif I don't think it's necessary to put tissues in their sleeping pouch... If dirty, it can always be taken out to wash smile.gif

Actually the easiest way to get them out from the pouch is by slowly pushing it from outside to inverse it and pop they come out smile.gif

QUOTE(imbiroy @ May 24 2008, 11:20 AM)
btw ah bi nose got wet wet a tiny little bit mean what arhh or its normal??
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Wet, wet a bit is normal, healthy mar smile.gif

All mine will leave little wet trails on my nose and cheeks if they kiss me laugh.gif

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 24 2008, 02:11 PM)
their class too high le..bcom guru, breeder and oso seller liao...lol
we still newbie tongue.gif
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I'm not a breeder. (Not sure in the future...)

QUOTE(imbiroy @ May 25 2008, 01:16 PM)
Hun, i would like to bring ah bi and come on tuedays as well but too bad i need to work from 10am till 10pm, so can't if possible you can put a 50 cent coin and take picture, then i would roughly know it?? thanks

Bonai, got it thank for the reply, yesterday night she ate, live and cutted as well. by the way you was mentioning light, wats that all about?

sometimes ah bi shakes(gegar) when i catch her, why?

when she makan that time after chewing some food (etc: worms, slurp) she like "stone" there and not move ahh why ah?? like blur blur only? then after she like want to sleep sleep like after eat sleeping pill.

and this morning is the first time ah bi bite ppl, she bit my gf when she took her out of her sleeping pouch, how come arhh??

how come i cannot hold still ah bi? she seem very active, run here run there, is she scare so that she want to run or is she having fun??
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- Shaking is normal when they just woke up and such. Their motor just started running smile.gif

- Stoning while eating is normal if it's not their eating time... It's like, they suddenly realize "Ehh, why am I eating, I'm suppose to be sleeping... *blink, blink*"

- Active is normal, you should be happy she is active smile.gif

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 25 2008, 02:04 PM)
erm..there is question from me too....
will it be effect em cos i hav them in my room...so somtimes i open my speaker and the mp3..will it effect them ? btw it not very loud ... just like normal volum only..
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when i am not at house, my room sumtimes will be like oven somtimes...should i get a mini usb fan to put near their cage there ?
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- Normal volume music is fine. Just make sure it's not like a blasting concert speaker wink.gif

- I don't think a USB fan is necessary... If you want just switch on the normal fan smile.gif

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QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 25 2008, 10:20 PM)
Ok. I bought a 2 men tent from Tesco and set it up in my room with the help from my sister.

I'm currently sitting inside the tent with moka and luna. I transported them here via the bonding pouch. Its hard to get them out when they are scared of the plastic sound which make the base of the tent.

When they got out, they both squeezed in one corner. I went near and crabbing from moka. Luna is ok but she nip me once. Then i carried and put her on my shoulder. She has been there ever since. Checking out my back, hair, neck. Nipped me on the back of the neck which is quite painful. My hand went to rub the area she nip and she run off but still on me.

Moka is always more difficult. Unlike Luna who never got off me for bout 30 minutes, Moka jumped off at every opportunity. Too bad the tent is made of polyster so she cannot grip when she land, so she fall and i reach out to her for more hand chasing and put her back on. She'd jump off again and i'd hand chase her some more. Now they're both on my back. I'm moving about, playing psp, replying sms, posting here with my phone. They're still on me. Ticklish and strange feeling but its good. We're bonding!
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Bravo!

A tent is a good bonding choice smile.gif

Actually, all you need to do is sit in the middle of the tent quietly minding your own biz and let them explore the whole tent and YOU. Don't try to catch them or anything, just sit there and let them jump about and explore smile.gif

Do this often and they will soon know your scent and not afraid of you.

QUOTE(-Nos- @ May 25 2008, 10:49 PM)
Which colour coat for Sg is the best? Chocolate or white tip?
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What color is best?

Color does not determine personality or character.

What color is best is just a person's personal choice.

Some like chocolate, some like grey, some like white...

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 25 2008, 11:45 PM)
So, I put on my pouch and swing it to my back. To my surprise, they know their way inside.

Then, I zip it up and post this update. Even though they're both on the pouch, they crab as I type on the keyboard and I can still feel their tiny nails on the back of my neck even though they're not there anymore. Powerful after effects. They must hate the keyboard or computer-illiterate. Haha... They're crabbing more. I touch the pouch, they crab. I am going downstairs to feed them.
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Haha, all suggie will recognize their own pouch one tongue.gif

When they're in the pouch, crabbing and all, just stroke them from outside and talk to them calmly... Slowly, they will recognize your touch and voice and won't crab anymore smile.gif

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 26 2008, 12:29 AM)
OK, as for their supper tonight. This is the menu:
1. 2 teaspoon of Dutch Lady low fat Strawberry yogurt
2. 1 cherry tomato (do I have to take out the tiny seed bits?)
3. 1 baby carrot
4. 4 pieces of mango on 1cm x 1cm cube
5. 8 pieces of applies on 5mm x 5mm cube

I think should be enough kua? Am I feeding them in the right portion? Should I cut the skin of the baby carrot?

Tomorrow, I will feed them papayas cause today wanted to buy but too late already after dinner.
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I think that's great!

Baby carrot skin can be left on, but normal carrot it's better to peel lah smile.gif

Hmm, funny, I don't remove tomato seed actually cuz as long as it's an edible seed, I just leave it... Those that are not edible such as apple seed, pear seed or even orange seed needs to be removed lah...

QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ May 26 2008, 01:24 AM)
Gliders prefer cherries than other sort of berry.... just look around at those fruit stalls that sell imported fruits. Bound to be cherries there.
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Cherries! Yummm!

I think most pasar malam will have cherries nowadays smile.gif

QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
Wowww... quite expensive. I think I know which type liao. My house rarely buy fruits, so I wasnt really sure but since you mentioned the hefty price tag, I think I know which one it is.
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Haha, that's the price for a Kilo which is like damn a lot...

I think like RM5 also can get you a decent few just for your suggies smile.gif

QUOTE(mamata @ May 26 2008, 02:37 AM)
hun ,can they merajuk?
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Yes, they can.

QUOTE(dai86 @ May 26 2008, 09:14 AM)
do i need to separate out the daughter which born by my fatty and slimmy?? she is about 7 month right now... btw, fatty another baby is going to come out soon... saw him/her in the pouch, fur alreaady grow... dunno is son or daughter this time. hehe....
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Yes, you need to separate the daughter or else the father can impregnate the daughter.

Wahhh, got joey again?

This is why I don't recommend keeping intact males with female, cuz some males can be very active and resulting in offsprings almost every 3-4 months... In the wild, they breed twice a year, but in captivity, it can happen all year round...

Take a good look at you female, sooner or later it will tire her very much from having to carry around joeys all the time... It is not good for her health too... Her pouch will have no time to rest or get back in shape because it keeps on expanding for joeys...

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 26 2008, 09:42 AM)
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he is hanging on top of the cage and looking what i am doing tongue.gif
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i put a big slice of honey dew there and play with him outside cage =.=
here~ this 2 is my little baby casper pic o...i get da pic yesterday de.. tongue.gif
cindy de not yet take yet...but cindy is much more bigger den casper .. how come a ?
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Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sooooooo little!!!

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Do take good care of Casper, he's definitely under aged.

QUOTE(mikozai @ May 26 2008, 09:56 AM)
btw, any1 know how to wash those pouches ? just put them in plain water or hav to put delto and clean them ?
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Just handwash using a mild soap such as hand wash or body soap smile.gif

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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ May 26 2008, 11:02 AM)
Wet, wet a bit is normal, healthy mar smile.gif
All mine will leave little wet trails on my nose and cheeks if they kiss me laugh.gif

- Shaking is normal when they just woke up and such. Their motor just started running smile.gif
- Stoning while eating is normal if it's not their eating time... It's like, they suddenly realize "Ehh, why am I eating, I'm suppose to be sleeping... *blink, blink*"
- Active is normal, you should be happy she is active smile.gif

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QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ May 25 2008, 11:52 PM)
Whoa, schedule heheheh. Well, to me it looks pretty ok. But letting her roam around your room when not fully bonded is not so good. You must teach her to like you more than freedom in your room. Playing and bonding should be on you, on your body.

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bonding? if let say when i reach home that time i take her out and put at my should let her run around my back is that call bonding ?? as long she stick (lekat) with me??

and emino your teddy can eat upside down flex.gif orhh, my dumb dumb ah bi just kena marah from me yesterday only, and this morning vmad.gif me and nib me orhh, sad cry.gif , cause yesterday she was eating her slurp half way and dip herself inside the bowl and sleep sweat.gif after i catch her up and scold her she like just stare at me, when i put her back to her sleeping pouch she crab at me, and still want me to touch her before she sleep wub.gif ... later i upload 2 pic of ah bi being scold..

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post May 26 2008, 12:10 PM

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OK, I will upload some photos within these few days. When your turn to get SGs? When you feel commited enough lor. If you think you are ready, then that's your queue lor!



krynzpeaches,
Wow, really a double-long post. Errr, to be honest, I've not read about glove is a No-No. I mean not on this forum anyway. I must have missed it. I saw what Reanne wrote and I will put a stop to it. I think you're right, I'm going in too fast. Just after 2 days, their nipping does reduce by a lot.

They smell my hand but they dont explore it. Too afraid to mount it even though it's just the back of my palm. But if I pick them up and put them on my shoulders, they hardly jump off after a few tries. That was yesterday, I'm going to try again today.

Wow, your Luna has a really long name. Makes my Luna feel so small. Should give her something like Luna Ranka Sebastian Jones VII. Hahaha... Kidding cause I probably wont remember later, so Luna is just fine. Symbolize the moon just like Hun's Kapi does.

Inverse the pouch to get them out. Yes, I did that last night and this morning. Figured it wasnt nice to let them feel earthquake on their home every time I want them out, so I slowly push them and there's plenty of crabbing. I dont mind the sound as I love it but I think they REALLY mind me pushing the pouch from down to up to inverse it. Like kacau their private time.

I bought a 2-Men tent and set it up in my room. It's quite huge. I let them out from the bonding pouch in the tent, I tried ignoring them, I played my PSP and they went snuggling up in a corner. After 20 minutes, they didnt budge, so I have to put my PSP out (worry they pee on it or what), and go catch them. Once I did, I put them on my arm and let them climb up. Moka especially like my hair. She is like helping me catch kutu (no, I dont have any). This behaviour is like what the monkey does, search under the hair for treasures.

I wanted to buy a 1-Man tent at Tesco but they said that if it's 1-Man, it's a sleeping bag. Cheh! So 2-Men tent is the minimum and its really quite big. I recommend this to everyone who wants a glider-proof space, not too big such as rooms where they can run off and hide somewhere you cant reach them. This is limited space and close to one another. Nice!

I think suggies recognizes their pouch because they pooped in it. Luckily I bought a second one from Pet Shack, so I have two to interchange if they dirty one of it. I woke them up at 10:00am this morning and put them in the bonding pouch. They have been with me ever since. We watched TV, cooked spaghetti, had brunch and now in front of the computer. They have been crabbing on and off. When I touch them from outside the bonding pouch, sometimes they quiet down, sometimes they go louder.

QUESTION:
1. Are they grumpy because they dont get to sleep peacefully in the bonding pouch?
2. Will it affect their sleeping time later?
3. They've pooped in the bonding pouch but no pee. Will they pee in the bonding pouch? I'm hoping it wont drip on me or my bed.

So your gliders have been eating cherry tomatoes with the seed? It's OK for them? Well, I woke up and find the baby carrots are still in the metal bowl. They probably only had one tiny little piece each. The cherry tomato is finished but the skin has dropped onto the tray of the cage. I think its not nice for them since the seed part which is the juiciest part has been removed, else I'm sure they'd finish it.

Yes, I will buy a bit of cherries and let them try. I am supposed to go out and look for mealworms today but then just remembered, no car. Car sent to service. Haih, stuck at home with 2 dogs and 2 gliders. Dogs downstairs, glider with me in the room. Later need to bring doggy for walk and shower them in the evening.

I think this post is long enough.

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I think thats the ter-poop case la. gliders usually dont pee and poo in the place they sleeps.

My Teddy senang gile nak keluar. Go to cage, call his name, and he will pop out his head. Then you 'pancing' him by using mealworms/treats/yougurt on your finger. Bila dia nak dekat, you jauhkan lagi tangan you sampai dia completely out. Then you grab him. MUAHAHAHA~

Yeah, when Teddy was young he liked my hair too. Dunno why he doesnt lick my hair or groom them anymore. Maybe because I change my shampoo. Haha~

Yes, they will poop and pee in bonding pouch if you keep them in it too long. But usually they just tahan till you let them out.
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QUOTE(mikozai @ May 26 2008, 09:42 AM)
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he is hanging on top of the cage and looking what i am doing tongue.gif
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this is definitely not a 8 weeks neither a 10 weeks joey...

come come!!! dare to argue this with me!!!


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QUOTE(mikozai @ May 26 2008, 09:56 AM)
btw, any1 know how to wash those pouches ? just put them in plain water or hav to put delto and clean them ?
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easy way to wash: u go rendam your pouches with sabun for a night then next morning u just hand wash a bit with hand and rinse.. so easy...

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then i think i will separated the mum with her baby when she born it, and laos daughter. let the father alone. btw, will the daughter disturb the new born baby??
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QUOTE(emino @ May 26 2008, 12:22 PM)
I think thats the ter-poop case la. gliders usually dont pee and poo in the place they sleeps.

My Teddy senang gile nak keluar. Go to cage, call his name, and he will pop out his head. Then you 'pancing' him by using mealworms/treats/yougurt on your finger. Bila dia nak dekat, you jauhkan lagi tangan you sampai dia completely out. Then you grab him. MUAHAHAHA~

Yeah, when Teddy was young he liked my hair too. Dunno why he doesnt lick my hair or groom them anymore. Maybe because I change my shampoo. Haha~

Yes, they will poop and pee in bonding pouch if you keep them in it too long. But usually they just tahan till you let them out.
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erm.. i forget which website i refer b4.. but, for sure...the website say..better dun play "tug of war" wif ur glider, i means dun use "pancing"..coz they will turn more aggressive.. no offence towards emino..

i juz share wat i hav read b4.. but depent lo.. may b teddy is too tame.. so.. he wont b so aggressive like wat those website describe...
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well, the baby casper is really in small size but yet he is the most active 1, he eat the most and also like me the most.. hmm..
about underage i think seeing the pic den judge him underage .. i not sure ..
but an underage joey's tails and feather should be wet wet and heavent finish develope rite ? (casper tail is very fluffy)..., colour of the nose is diff rite ? (casper's nose is in pink colour).., eyes also should'nt be big and round round guar..(casper eyes is always soooo big and i feel like wana gorek XD).. but i know he is small size compare with others but for me he more active then cindy which slightly older then him 2 weeks de..
nywayz, i will take good care of them..i still feeding them pet milk + slurp, they seems like it very much tongue.gif

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Sugar glider making some weird sound when opening the cage door. I knew they were scared, but what can be done to make them more relax and not scare of me anymore? hmm
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waht sound?
barking like a little puppy?
crabbing like a malfunction robot?
or squeek?

crak crak crak crakk


Added on May 26, 2008, 1:35 pmtime is the answer,be patient my friend
when they get use to u, will be less crabb and more barking

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how long is ur sugar glider been in the cage liao ?
if they are still new in the cage then just leave them crable lo.. cos after while they wont crabble liao de..
my casper and cindy last time also like that, but yesteday after i play with them den i can put my hand inside the cage and arrange their stuff while they are eating beside my hand..lol..
if last time they sure crabbing like crazy and run to pouch de..hahaz
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huh? yea is crak crak non stop....
they wont run, just that when on the way putting hand inside, the sounds come.

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