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 Stock Market V12, Stock Market talk, some are investors, some are gamblers..

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post Apr 26 2008, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 26 2008, 10:08 AM)
I see many forumers are buying 5000 shares or more  per stock to speculate.

I wonder whether it is considered to be small by today's standard.

I am kind of out dated.


Added on April 26, 2008, 10:14 am

Thank you.

next week market would go up and come down fast. Perfect for speculation.

But do not get caught , cos you are not the only speculator. Watch out for day traders, they have cheaper commissions to pay, and they run very fast.

just my 2sen opinion.
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Never underestimate people. There might be some rich folks in here also.

Also, with nowadays, lot of cheap and penny shares around, 5000 shares is not that much either.

Just 'play' according to one afford. Something like you have 10K income per month, with several ten to hundreds thousand of saving, then there is no harm done id somone fork out 10-20k for stock speculation once awhile. But for serious and large sum of money involved, speculation is big no no.
It can be part of learning process for new and youngster in stock market.

Just 'play' according to your affordability. Don't use margin or leverage and always speculate with small disposal fund that you have.

But once is experience and old enough, by that time, one can easily get bored with goreng, as in and out, in and out, probably breakeven only, but I had seen more lose one than gain one.
By that time, one will think it is much better stick with good fundamental and boring stock that grows and earn consistently in long term.

Anyway, I don't think 'goreng' season is back. Just minor selective goreng only. Volume doesn't look convincing at all.
All problems had gone? In term of politcal instability, US economy recession, housing slump in US. While US and international banks had reported good profit?
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post Apr 26 2008, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2008, 10:58 AM)
Carlsberg Q1 earnings soar 150% to RM27mil

News: Click here

closed at 4.36 on friday.

@cherroy

aiseh man, i still remember you & kinwawa were busy queueng at 4.06-4.08 on last two week tongue.gif
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Aiseh, if putting 0.02 higher (we kedekut people mah), then getting it already. Now Carlsberg yesterday close is 4.32, can make Rm200/biji already.

So sometimes luck plays some part on it.

Once I always Q lower price at Titan but not getting it (around 1.45-1.50), then it is fortunely not to get and now 1.32 only. tongue.gif

Anyway, it is not that good result for Calrsberg. It registered 150% rise because of last year poor result as a benchmark comparison.

With 8.67 Q earning is not enough to sustain its 35 cents annual dividend like previous. Bare in mind, 1Q is always the best Q for beer businesses due to Chinese New Year festival which surely registered good sales. So normally 2Q won't be as good as 1Q.


Added on April 26, 2008, 12:42 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 26 2008, 10:55 AM)
Yes, I agree with you.

I cannot afford to speculate because of lost opportunity to get a sale ( i am a salesperson ). All the contra gains if any would not make up the money to my one "lost sale. "

As you say, to speculate mainly for fun of it.
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Yes, it is always should be the way.

Core business and career is the primary one should focus on.

Stock market is for leisure.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2008, 12:46 PM)
ahh yah, that is exactly what i mean!

if we know about this kind of "cycle", maybe we can pick up some of the alchohol shares before Q1 result is out tongue.gif
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Market is not stupid either, people familiar with it anticipated it most of the time. There is no guaranteed they will report good result every 1Q, just like Carlsberg last year.

Also, cigratte and alcoholic stocks most of the time, price will be under some pressure near 3Q because of budget, raising tax. brows.gif
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post Apr 26 2008, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(aretla @ Apr 26 2008, 02:45 PM)
if i were u, im jumping on floor again y i so stubborn to queue 2 sens lower n miss the chance  laugh.gif
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Newly in market, may be.

Now, get use to it already. You can't gain in all in the market, after all stock market is not the primary income that we aim for. Just for some extra.

I also Q 5 cents lower when Sime was 6.45 (long time ago before the bull run start) but didn't get it. This should jump on floor harder until it break. laugh.gif

But I am getting quite a number of shares Q'ing like this in Panamy, Reits and Shell, BKawan (6.20) icon_rolleyes.gif as well as Genting last time out 6.50 <-- make some peanut from it. laugh.gif

What to do, kedekut behaviour mah. whistling.gif smile.gif
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post Apr 27 2008, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 27 2008, 09:47 AM)
I believe there is a misconduct on the part of Bursa when they did not implement the circuit breaker properly.

More so the system is designed by professionals, should be well tested. They should not rush to implement one just because Dow Jone is having one. You cannot design a traffic light supposed to turn red, instead turning green in all directions. Perhaps, it is the Malaysia's ways of life, people have to get used to it.

Bursa is promoting themselves to the among the best in the world or Asia, in a way is misleading also.

They never think they have to use the circuit breaker at all, that is the main problem.
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That's true, we have first class infrastructure, but implementation is not.

If one is a futures market trader, one had experienced several times (not once but quite number of time), FKLI can't be traded at all for the whole session (about half day) due to 'technical problem'. No back up system or whatever contigency plan?

KLSE is one of the top and favourite bourse in Asia back 80's to 90's. Now, it starts to become forgotten liao.
The main problem of KLSE facing now is lacking quality and big cap listing company. We have quantity but lack of quality. Apart from GLCs, there are only a few name left.
Merging second board and main board company won't make the bourse become stronger instead it might drag down the quality of the bourse.


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QUOTE(aretla @ Apr 26 2008, 10:52 PM)
i read an article about 10 days MA technical strategy...
in short.. u only buy a stock when its price in a up trend until cross above 10 days average, and sell a stock when it drops until cross below 10 days average...
the article describe this as almost the best strategy to used in share trading..

anyone comments?
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If market trading is so simple, then the author and lot of traders already become rich by now. Don't need to be author anymore. icon_idea.gif
Don't get me wrong, I highly respect all the authors the investment analysts. Just highlight why don't blindly believe any strategy.

There are 10 days moving average, 60 days, 100 days, bollinger band, RSI, MACD etc. None of them giving fool-proof strategy. It just give you a reference point so that at least you know what is happening. <-- that's the main point and usefulness of TA.

Just like resistance level or support level. From TA or charting, we can draw out a resistance level based on a chart, it just means whenever the stock price reach at this price range, more sellers eager to sell. But it doesn't mean it can't go over the resistance level if there are more buyers keen to buy. But at least you know the stock come to this level, sellers will start to emerge.

So one must understand the meaning of each TA tool.

Technical analysis is using old data (stock price for the last few days and months) to interprete the movement trend, but it doesn't mean future of next few days or weeks, the movement will be guaranteed to be the same.

TA merely as reference is good but not for blindly believe.

Just my 2 cents.
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post Apr 27 2008, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Apr 27 2008, 08:34 PM)
I don't side Bursa but in this case,I think the so called "misconduct" on the part of Bursa when they did not implement the circuit breaker properly,does not qualify anyone to make a claim against the Compensation Fund,The fund is intended more to make good fiduciary losses suffered by market participants as a result of fraud,breach of trust ,etc,eg,investment bank folded and client could not get back his money in the trust account.

I think all systems tend to have unforseen problems but Bursa should really not be excused for the problem occured in the FKLI market and the slow down in the system after circuit breaker.
Like I mentioned earlier in this forum,Bursa was supposed to implement a new trading system known as Bursa Trade wef April 2008.It is already nearing the end of April and there had been five testings over five saturday where we were required to participate.The sixth testing was supposed to be held on 26/04/08 but was canceled on the eleventh hour.I would say Bursa is not doing a good job here
as the testing seems to be haphazardly done and very often short notice is given,as a result,the Remisiers attending the testing gets lesser each time and the purpose of the testing may not be achieved.

Bursa really needs to bug up.
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One word to describe, GLC. sad.gif

FKLI problem is more severe recently, happens several times already. FKLI involves lot of money in stake, once system glith might cause clients to lose signficantly amount of money. Then who can they claim for the losses? None. Blame yourself only. I understand this is not under the compensation fund. But this is more on reality and more importantly creditibility of the exchange.

As I got trade in FKLI, there is once on the day Maybank being ex-dividend (60 cents or 40 cents), as you know Maybank is the top KLCI component stocks. KLCI fails to show up for the nearly 1 hours + since 9.00 am because the ex-dividend causing the KLCI computation going hair-wired. So KLSE fails to show KLCI for near 1 hours+, then for futures trader like me even instituitional fund, how to trade FKLI? As FKLI trade still going on, all blindly trade only?

Also only several counters are being traded only in futures market, also volume kind of mild only (max about 10K contracts on spot month only) so difficult to implement a robust system to trade? Really don't understand. Then how to catch up become a world class exhange? doh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 28 2008, 08:31 AM)
TMI is listing today! reference price 7.85

i guess CI will jump 20 points when market open, woot! hopefully it can last biggrin.gif
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TMI is not included in the KLCI computation. But TM does. But Bursa said they will but after weeks or months time.


Added on April 28, 2008, 9:10 am
QUOTE(kinwawa @ Apr 28 2008, 09:06 AM)
oh....TMINT...i tot TMI....anyway...nt a  big jump......so-so only...din do enough to 'excite' the market....another boring day hahahaha
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Told you, most investment houses put not that high target price on it, from 7.35 to 8.xx something.

Based on comparison of Telco shares, its valuation at its indicator price is rich.

But its code is nice 6888 <--- purposely choose one, I suppose. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(aretla @ Apr 28 2008, 09:12 AM)
rarely see ytlpower can jump such a gap in the early morning...
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May be because people want to have its warrant as posted earlier.

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 28 2008, 09:21 AM)
I'm quite surprised myself. At first I thought this would happen last week, but since it didn't I assume something else was up. So I did a little more researching and realize there are a lot more old warrants that could dilute the shares which have not been exercised yet.

This could be a goreng activity. Early morning trade grab most of the shares on queue from the charts, so just probably a big order was filled.
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It goes up with little volume only.
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Apr 28 2008, 10:29 AM)
cherroy...Carlsbg. 4.46 now..i mabuk liao! hahahhaha
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haha, really mabuk this time. Only 2 weeks time ago. Don't be stingy (kedekut) sometimes, but what to do, we "kedekut' people mah. laugh.gif
What to do, look for future opportunity lah.

Bare in mind, it is not a very good financial result also.

4.08? can, after ex-div loh. Hehe. tongue.gif


Added on April 28, 2008, 11:50 am
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 28 2008, 09:30 AM)
TMINT, maybe could queue at 7.40-7.50

assuming, TM last trading price closed at 10.90
TM currently is 3.50
10.90 minus 3.50, equals 7.40

does it make sense?
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Sorry, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. Since both of them demerged already, so better look at individual stock valuation to determine. Historical price doesn't dictate how future price of a stock will be.

Just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(Vv.SoViEt.vV @ Apr 28 2008, 12:01 PM)
cherroy, what price do you think is a fair value for TMI? planning to get it if the price is right?  hmm.gif
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I had posted before, investment houses target range from 7.35 to 8.xx

Personally won't be much interested.

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QUOTE(noobiedonkey @ Apr 28 2008, 02:19 PM)
hi everyone...
looks like many big timers here smile.gif
i'm still green in this sector and i'm understand more.
I have 10k now.
any advice?
thanks
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Keep it in FD.

Study the market first and fully aware of risk of it, then only start also won't be late.
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QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Apr 28 2008, 02:57 PM)
with the 10k, i bring you karaoke and spend it all in one night. After that 1 night experience, i think you wont ask people what to do with your 10k. ha ha ha   ----joking only .
use your 10k and buy old man stock. ie reit counters, high dividen counters ie pbb,etc.
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You bring a lot of friends to there and what kind of experience? Hehe brows.gif

OT liao.

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QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Apr 28 2008, 03:38 PM)
heavenly experience just like when sapcrest hit 1.67  and you goreng at 1.52   rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

then when the karaoke session is over and the boy pass you the bill , the expereince becomes:

didn't let go during the high then the bugger sapcrest drop untill 1.55 and you realise that day is t+3..  doh.gif  doh.gif

related to stocks right?  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
today all my stuff not moving...
manage to sell my engtex for a kfc barrel but when i check properly , the 192 lot i sell got chop so done half and half. rugi water money.
maybe left 1 chicken wing..   vmad.gif
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Like that also can. Haha sweat.gif

Chicken wing also not bad already.

Look at the volume, until now haven't surpassed 400 350 millions. Volume is like 'oil' for goreng. Too little oil will lead the goreng hangus one. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mtanps @ Apr 28 2008, 04:50 PM)
You can use the 10k invest in Unit Trust. I gained 20% on the return from my unit trust. Hehe..
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Someone come out with this kind of statement, really make people sick.
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QUOTE(Mikiyo @ Apr 28 2008, 08:58 PM)
HEy ppls!! just got homee....pretty hectic day....i have lots of assignment in uni T.T came home...checked my orders and i saw Kinstel 1.47 but i sold at 1.45 mad.gif
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Don't be too greedy lah. As long as make decent profit is enough, let others earn a bit also mah.
Who's know after that when it goes down. Then you will change your word said lucky I sold at 1.45. Haha
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 29 2008, 09:52 AM)
Not all like 'goreng' stuff. I liked stuff that are slow-boiled to perfection.  biggrin.gif
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Some of Japanese food are being eaten in raw, especially fish like Salmon, don't need to boil also. See Japanese tend to have longer average age. icon_idea.gif

OT a bit, but personally, cannot 'tahan', always lau sai if ate raw fish. sweat.gif

So once while takes goreng is ok, otherwise bad for health. (in term of $$ also your heart)
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QUOTE(jongkolkhoo @ Apr 29 2008, 11:18 AM)
tomorrow let my sapcrest force sell.. i wonder how much got to pay..
280 lots...
T+4 tomorrow.
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How much your average price?

Sapcres technically doesn't look very good in short term, failed to breach around 1.70 level which is the key resistance point.
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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Apr 29 2008, 11:26 AM)
Tamcorp  returning 98 sen but current price only RM1,effectively your cost is only 2 sen to buy into a debt free and no business (post capital repayment)entity,hmmm,interesting.

(this is not a recommendatio,buy at YOUR OWN RISK)
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What I can find is they give 68 cents, can't find 98 cents.

But like that, it will be delisted by KLSE (no core business). It already being assigned with GN3.

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