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SKY 1809
post Apr 22 2008, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 22 2008, 02:51 PM)
I knew the girl name called Huann, am I right?  flex.gif
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Yes, i buy 15000 shares bcos of her statistics. Expect to earn 30sen per share by end of the year.


Warning : Not meant for eating KFC on daily basis.

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post Apr 22 2008, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Apr 22 2008, 02:54 PM)
Who is Huann?? Forgive my ignorance.
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should be HUAAN (2739)
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 21 2008, 11:54 PM)
Yes, i buy 15000 shares bcos of her statistics. Expect to earn 30sen per share by end of the year.
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Haha, had a dirty thought for a moment!! Her stats... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2008, 02:57 PM

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if like that, i also wanna wake my punjabi boyfriend, aka Kulim-Singh to wake up liao

he has been sleeping all day long dry.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 21 2008, 11:56 PM)
should be HUAAN (2739)
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THANK YOU! cool2.gif
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post Apr 22 2008, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 22 2008, 02:54 PM)
Yes, i buy 15000 shares bcos of her statistics. Expect to earn 30sen per share by end of the year.
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Since you had made some research on it.

Curious to ask as I knew Huaan is making coke for steel processing fuel then how will rising coal price affect its cost?Coke need to made from coal, right?
Coal has been rising quite drastically recently, that's one of the reason TNB share price tumble as well.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 22 2008, 02:57 PM)
if like that, i also wanna wake my punjabi boyfriend, aka Kulim-Singh to wake up liao

he has been sleeping all day long dry.gif
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hahahaha good one pana, my teh almost come out from my nose hahaha rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Apr 22 2008, 02:57 PM)
THANK YOU!  cool2.gif
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hey by the way, we have new member here biggrin.gif

your siggy says "future broker representative" huh, woot!
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post Apr 22 2008, 03:00 PM

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Huaan confident that they can pass on the increasing operations cost to customers and still remain robust from increasing coke prices which are rising well..
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 22 2008, 02:59 PM)
hahahaha good one pana, my teh almost come out from my nose hahaha  rclxms.gif
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lol, suddenly strike me tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 21 2008, 11:59 PM)
hey by the way, we have new member here biggrin.gif

your siggy says "future broker representative" huh, woot!
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Thank you!

graduated from UCSC few years ago, and going back for my new job. smile.gif




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post Apr 22 2008, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(naz_b_85 @ Apr 22 2008, 03:00 PM)
Huaan confident that they can pass on the increasing operations cost to customers and still remain robust from increasing coke prices which are rising well..
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ok, thks for the information, may be will keep on eye on it as well.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 22 2008, 02:58 PM)
Since you had made some research on it.

Curious to ask as I knew Huaan is making coke for steel processing fuel then how will rising coal price affect its cost?Coke need to made from coal, right?
Coal has been rising quite drastically recently, that's one of the reason TNB share price tumble as well.
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At first , i am also cofused, thinking coke means coke cola.


It means to work well for Huann if steel price is firm, like crude oil palm. It is an Agent to reduce cost for steel production.
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I'm in it dy...fundamentals are very good.. rclxm9.gif
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post Apr 22 2008, 03:08 PM

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Huaan,

A proxy into China's coke-steel industry. Sino Hua-An (Huaan) is the
largest independent and third largest coke producer in Shandong
commanding a market share o f 10%. Coke is an energy source as well as
a reducing agent for the manufacture of steel.
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High steel prices continue to support high coke prices and margins.
Locking in electricity and transport requirements on a long term basis
protect margins which at 20%-22% margin is better than its peers.

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Aggressive capacity expansion. We expect continuing growth in China's
steel sector to fuel coke demand. Huaan is constructing 2 more ovens by
May 2008 to boost its current capacity to 1.5m MT in 2H 2008 and to 1.8m
MT p.a by 2009.
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Future downstream expansion into a 49% -stake Shandong's largest
independent pig iron producer for RM500m provides stable off-take for its
coke but current high coke prices and demand makes it more profitable to
sell to third parties.
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Rising coke prices. We are assuming coke price of RMB1,760/MT for
Huaan vs. the curren t regional spot price of RMB2,00 0/MT. Our price
assumption is at a conservative level given coke prices at certain regions
of China have reached as high as RMB2,350/MT in April 2008.
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Compelling valuation at 3.0x FY09. Fair value at RM0.96 based on 6.5x
PER represents 20% discount to the steel industry's average 2008 PER of
8.0x - discount is warranted to account for the execution risk of its
overseas operation. Note however, Huaan is trading at a substantial 83%
discount to its Chinese peers. We expect with investors' increase familiarity
and proven execution, the discount factor will be narrowed. BUY with a
60% upside from the current RM0.655 level.
Earnings Estimates

FYE 31 Dec
2006 2007 2008E 2009E 2010E

Pretax profit (RMm)
115.0 115.0 151.9 198.5 246.0

Net profit (RMm) 115.0 127.5 168.8 209.1 184.5

Net profit growth (%)
-27.2 10.9 32.3 23.9 -11.8


EPS (sen) 10.2 11.4 15.0 18.6 16.4
EPS growth (%) -27.2 10.9 32.3 23.9 -11.8
DPS (sen) 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
NTA/share (RM) 0.24 0.54 0.69 0.88 1.04

PER (x) 6.4 5.8 4.4 3.5 4.0
Div. Yield (%) 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
EV/EBITDA (x) 6.9 3.9 2.9 2.1 1.7
ROE (%) 30.7 26.0 21.1 21.2 15.6
Net gearing (x) 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

NOT ASKING YOU TO BUY. FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSE.
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post Apr 22 2008, 03:10 PM

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and i read that, HUAAN is the one-and-only China company that list in malaysia...
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post Apr 22 2008, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 22 2008, 03:03 PM)
At first , i am also cofused, thinking coke means coke cola.
It means to work well for Huann if steel price is firm, like crude oil palm. It is an Agent to reduce cost for steel production.
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Coke is not an agent to reduce cost of steel, but an essential raw material to produce steel from iron ore.It is about extracting carbon content and segregating iron and other oxidised components. Sorry, forget liao, need to flip back my metarlugical notes for futher details.

If Huaan is able to pass the rising cost coal to the customers, then shouldn't much problem to register good earning result.


Added on April 22, 2008, 3:11 pm
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 22 2008, 03:10 PM)
and i read that, HUAAN is the one-and-only China company that list in malaysia...
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In fact, it is the first and only one foreign listing in KLSE.

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post Apr 22 2008, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 22 2008, 03:10 PM)
and i read that, HUAAN is the one-and-only China company that list in malaysia...
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Yes, I think it is...took over from Antah's listing..
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post Apr 22 2008, 03:13 PM

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The price of commodities will continue to skyrocket as the US dollar fundamental is still weak. But my question is how bout future demand and future output of China after the olympics?


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post Apr 22 2008, 03:14 PM

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SKY 1809, you may want to take a peek at investlah.com (got to know this forum from alivecmh) tongue.gif

the forumer "tikus" says,

"Sino Hua-an is the largest producer of metallurgical coking coal in China, the price of metallurgical coking coal has risen for > than 240% above the last year level, the rise is even faster than the price of oil and gas. "

"My baby Huaan closes at 75 sen, already up 4.2% today, take 70 to 80 sen as guide, it is 50:50 situation, not advisable for risk adverse investors

However, if the price you take 85 sen as target, Huaan is still ok as a min of 3% dividend will be paid out"


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