lol..........i LOL'ED XD

OMG OMG..........give me a moment to breath........

ok, let me explain...... listen carefully, to be a good musician, if u know classical knowledge, you have a hugh amount of information in your head, u understand cadence( its whereby how a chords leads to another ends sounds), u understand interval, u understand intervals, u understand everything about chords, melody writing, and FYI, classical player dont just study "classical", we study from the baoque period to contempary. YES!! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD! WE STUDY COMTEMPARY!!

We study musicians from the year of 1900 till now, we study the beatles, we study every musician who made an impact in history. we study how their music, how the chords are arrange difrently from the classical period, how debussy change the music scence, its all under music.

Classical student dont just "LEARN" to paly mozart, we learn ALL, we are Expose to ALL, we go to orchestral, we go to rock concerts( i go MCR XD), we do everything.

WE study the modern scence, wat makes this band song diffrent from this, while does this key melody change is diffrent.

EVEN ME, a classically train, sit downs and listen to linkin park and comparing it to my chemical romance, and see which chord and melody shift made the huge impact in key modulation which mades the music so special.

and for your information, if u check PROPERLY, a wass amount of comtempary musician/singer/producer graduated from a classical university. why are their music so much better than yours? cause they understand music better than you. the have a HUGE amount of knowledege, they know every detail of the history of music, they understnad CHords SOOO MUCH better than you!

if i were to write a chord for u , b2b( flatten-2b) can you tell me what does this chord mean??

NO!

But if u ask a producer or a singer, they can explain.
just because they are comtempary singer doesnt mean they arent trained classically.

u are narrow minded. please think before you speak. u sound childish eventhou im younger than you.......by alot

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:29 pmP/S: i play the electric guitar and im in a band.

im 16.

and im classically train.

does that mean i cant play modern piece?

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 24 2008, 10:29 PM

me too ehh...
maybe my band can hav a crossover wif ur band leh...

and bman...
think when u talk..
i play classicals too...

julliard
Michael Giacchino, Composer, "Lost", "Ratatouille"
David Bryan, musician, Bon Jovi
John Williams, Composer, "Star Wars", "Jurassic Park"


David bryan from bon jovi graduated from julliard. a top rated music college in new york. Wait, HE WAS CLASSICALLY TRAIN? WHY IS HE IN MAINSTReaM?!?! OH NO!! BMAN, i thought.... u say classically train players are loser, then bon jovi are losers?? and they will never penetrate mainstream??

lesson? think before you talk. just because u think so, doesnt mean its right. if you are not sure, do some research before assuming

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:46 pmomg JAY CHOU IS A LOSSAAAHHH TOO!!

cause he was classically train therefore jaychou will NEVER enter mainstream with the music he wrote because he is CLASSICAL TRAIn.

hey........wait a minute....

Jay chou is one of the most successful taiwan musician.

bman, i prove u wrong again.

can i post another hundreds of examples?

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:49 pmoh can i share abit of "CLASSICAL KNOWLEDGE"

let DIDI tell you abit of music history.

J S BACH(Johann Sebastian Bach) was the founder and creater of the diatonic scale.
Diatonic scale= c major, d major, e major, F major etc etc

before BACH, ever piece is played in MODE, which is the dorian and etc etc.

SO lets imagine, if JS BACH nv created the diatonic scale, would there be mainstream music like now? will you be able to strum chords??

we must not neglect our roots.

i prove u wrong again Bman.

WAit, i will bring in another hundreds of example if i have the time

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 24 2008, 10:50 PM

Duhh.. but I make more money than you. Duuuhh..

I am sure you can play a modern piece.

Nobody's saying classical players can't play modern pieces. In fact, I always advocate a classical background to my friends who really wanna make music their main career to give them an advantage, especially if they are going to write songs/music one day. It helps a damn lot in soloing as well.

What's questionable is whether classical music lovers could come up with pieces that the young generations nowadays wanna listen. It's not just the talent alone, but the attitude. You can be damn good but if you're stubborn and don't want to deliver what the mainstream desires, then starve lor, even if you have skills like the next beethoven, especially in a time where very much less people appreciate beethoven and the likes of it.

But anyway, I don't like nirvana or linkin park or britney. I just oblige your urge to have something to debate on. I know you musicians are a weird lot, and talented for sure, but creative people tend to have problems getting along with their colleagues, and they're usually their own worst enemies, so no matter how talented they are, one way or another in their life time, if they don't thread carefully, they'll trip and f*ck themselves up over and over again. This is the same with artists, the painters, etc..

The music industry is dominated by corporate labels that know what the people want, and they also know how to shape what people want. So if one is so adamant on his/her own believes then you either start your own label for marketing/publish, or fade away into oblivion, even if you're the next prodigy who is as good as beethoven.

I would much rather make money selling the software I wrote, using music as secondary helper to what I do. Not gonna make music my main career because the chances of being totally independent are much harder than compared to being an IT geek hitting it big with his next software, especially in a country like Malaysia where creative industry has the least opportunities for those who desire to be in them, and even Singapore is not spared from such problems.

Not meaning insult musicians in this forum, but most musicians I know, are kinda starving, precisely because they cannot adapt, too firm/strong in what they believed in and unable to evolve, not just musically, but socially, and also unable to take advantage of technology, so most of these talents are left behind and fade away.

Talents, are a dime a dozen, if I don't like your face, you're a nobody, that's how the industry is, that's how people with money view their workforce/employees. Sad, but that's the truth, so there's no need to really say

Oh I am classically trained, but I am better than you modern players.


Ok fine, then we send the prodigy to some big corp label and instantly the guy in suit guy says ' I don't like your f*cking face and attitude, and talents like you are a dime dozen, I don't need employees/stars that are too talented but difficult to work with. I just need someone who is good enough, and I can package him/her up and make guys or girls go crazy over him/her and fatten my pockets'

So you see, talents are only a small part of what will shape your future/career.
Many talented musicians, artists, creative people have been buried alive in their career simply because they don't know how to evolve not just musically, but socially and commercially.

Talents are a dime a dozen, and this applies not just in music, but also other industry, IT, game development, you name it.

When one is not in a position to shape/change or influence anything, best not to rattle the status quo until one reaches that level, unless you wanna be buried prematurely like how I was in another industry, but that's another story to tell for another day.

MIKE SHINODA from linkin park.

After that, he began taking piano lessons, studying classical pianist techniques- wikipeidia

WAT WAT?!

bman, i prove u wrong again again again again.

shall i countinue my debate or AM I CLEAR?

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:57 pmwow, bman, from ur post again, seems like ur mind is really NARROOOWWW.

please open your eyes, just because u are from a low side of society, u nv seem to see the big picture.

Many malaysian suceed in the music industry, is whether how hard they strive.
And no, good player dont starve FUI, only loser end up like that.

Take guang liang, he was classically train, and where is he now??

see, just because u suck, doesnt mean other people suck.

Many musicians are playing in orchestra all around the world, and your not.

please, OPEN UR EYES and widen your mind.

your posts are immature and childish.

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:58 pmP/s: seems like u have a huge amount of jealousy towards talented people and prodigies

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 24 2008, 11:00 PM

yes bman, stop being an idiot.

Actually, I was illustrating a point. It is not about being jealous towards talented people because I am considered a talent in another industry that has nothing to do with music.

I am just saying, talent is not the only equation that will shape one's future.

You probably won't see my point because as mentioned, you are only 16, and very stubborn, just like I was, but in another industry unrelated to music.

For every example of you digging out a classically trained musician in the comtemporary modern music, there're always other examples that could be used to counter your examples, but this is like participating in a mud wrestling, it's a pointless waste of time.

The truth is, talent alone is never a sole desirable trait when people are considering to work with you or groom you.

who said mud wrestling is a pointless waste of time?
now wheres blacktrix?

preparing for the WCG competition

he going to wi-

uhhh...

in my arrogant opinion...

the thought of comparing modern>classical or classical>modern ...is super retarded...



tell you all what..
why don't both of you , bman and icepetals..meet up and jam together..
bman represent modern
icepetals represent classical ..
both of you can VS each other..like dragonforce video..


i be the judge ( whoever wanna join in also can lah..led zep freak? echo?)
then we see who pawn who ..that will be interesting

Me cannot lah, I am not trained from young, played less than 3 years. Music is not my forte.

You need to get someone more experienced in the modern music.


But if you need someone to write out code for program, then you can call me.

icypetals, you missed a point at the very beginning. nobody claim they can do modern stuffs without going the classical route.

on top of that, you're too young to understand that pop songs and modern stuffs do need a dedicated talent to do that. you know classical doesn't mean you know everything.

i hope you're not going to dig any futher, it'll only end in tears. be humble or else you're not going anywhere.

and bman, although you have a valid point of most stuffs you mentioned but stop bashing the classical music will ya?

gapnap stop pouring petrol into fire lol!

Actually, if people have read me blurting out Eugene Martone vs the Guitarist from Hell, you'll know that I actually much respect musicians who has classical training background.

I am not really bashing the classical prodigies lah, I know they're good. I am also learning up music theory myself, starting with classical theories on music notes/chords/arpeggios etc.

But as I've mentioned, talent, is not the sole factor in deciding one's future. I am merely just humoring the guy since he's dying for a debate and no one wants to get into one with him.

you're definitely on topic mate. this is the thread for person who want to know about further music study after secondary school, as well as careers.

if you have strong passion on music, just go ahead. but mind you, music is not an easy route to jalan. you have to dedicate your whole life for music or else you'll end up being half full half empty. many of my friends who're not really into music, after spending a lot of money finishing the course, end up doing direct sales or quit music. so if you're really serious, consider my advice.

feel free to ask anymore question, like you're interested in classical or contemporary music or music production etc.

Ok, I'm closing this thread for a while until I can clear things up. This is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay getting out of hand.....

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