seems like people are talking about modern education/career.

ok, lets start, im talking on behalf of both sides, and i dont take sides.
(i do alot of reading in wikipeida so im not writing crap)
lets start with classical education:
a normal classically educated student of music usally starts their education at 5-7 years old. they learn the music based on baroque,classical, romantic and 20th century music. the learn and take exam based on LCM, ABRSM or trinity exam halls. the take theory from ABRSM exams.
a classical student usually studies by grade.( grade 1-8, diploma ).

As usual, a normal oversea music college/university usually only accepts a student who has a minimum of grade 5 and above( but they only take auditions and diploma students:note the minimum). there, they train a student based on classical studies left behind by bach etc etc, and studies performance, orchestral works, history of music, etc etc.

Students who come out from there becomes conductors, music teachers, orchestral players, etc etc.

Ok, now lets move on to MODERN(contempary) Music.

these students can either be classically train/self taught/or teacher taught. these students does not follow the classical way of learning, and are differed from person to person. either way, some college would accept student without a thoery grade exam by putting in fundemental area. students in there learn jazz studies, hearing, improvisation. there are currently not many music college which teaches modern music, but the famous ones would be ICOM and BERKLEE.

the people graduating from these college would become singers, band players, sound producer, teachers, jazz musician etc etc.

hope that clears up abit, either way, check up wikipedia or music website for infomation.

to me, there are no good classical music uni/collge in malaysia. my teacher ask me to go oversea and not waste my money here.

wat u expect
http://www.icom.edu.my/html/fs.php
u check this guy out, he learned guitar for about 2 years( somemore go to national service ), he already want to learn music. he did not understand a sigle thing about music other than strumming chords and icom accepted him.
I BEt many of our lowyat member can play a WHOLE LOT better than him but dont have the money to pay. rich kid.

anyway,
A person who picks up classical course would be
CLASSICAL COURSE: PIANO, VIOLIN, CELLO, FLUTE etc

A person who picks up modern courses would be
MODERN COURSE: ELECTRIC GUITAR, DRUMS, KEYBOARD, DIGITAL MIXXING, AUDIO EDITING etc etc

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Added on April 20, 2008, 8:00 pmwell, ABRSM Full diploma/degree courses would be taught by ur teacher. the cert is not as good as a uni cert of course.

wow, there are many great uni/college offering music!!
EXAMPLE:
Trinity College of Music
Juilliard School
London college of music
West Virginia University
University of Montana
University of Oklahoma
Thames Valley University

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umm, i guess GREAT music uni/college would be oversea, is not that malaysia music college is not good, is that it cant be compared to oversea.

just that..........

OVERSEA= EXPENSIVE

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 20 2008, 08:00 PM

im kinda lost

Are we talking bout gigs, classical education, modern education or what XD?
before posting try to specify what we are talking about before ending up in flame-war.

im going to share a fact here which is true but sad( applied for classical instrument like piano etc etc etc, not guitar or drums IM BEING SPECIFIC =p)
Classical player can play classical and modern music
a modern palyer can only play moden music.

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 21 2008, 03:43 PM

ya, even jay chou is classically trained.
u may be asking. whats so diffrent with jay??
well, if u pay attention to his music, he uses alot of secondary chords and suspension 4 n 9, dimished 7th, flatten 2b etc etc which are usually use in classical music.
many pop songs doesnt use these "classical styly" and just do
C Am F G
C Am F G

Am C F G
Am C F G

Which gets boring eventually
wish i had a good video cam where i can record good quality music. then i would be uploading non-stop of music, ranging from baroque to romantic, 20th century to pop, game music to random music

with such a big variety of pieces i upload in youtube, i would have lots of sucriber in no time


'cept i dont have a video cam

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 21 2008, 07:26 PM

debate over?

Tat was fast.

shall i make a conclusion?

classical>modern

ah ha.

Ok lets call apon 2 person, 1 classically trained, second, a comtempary player.

now i put 1 grand piano and 1 keyboard.

first i ask the classical player to play the grand piano and keyboard. he playes wells and explains what he played, the intervals, the key signature, the composer, the dynamics, the beauty of it.

next i ask the competary player, he only plays the keyboard and says "Rock on!".

Debates continues


Dont let the thread die........yet

haha, i wrote it just for the fact tat the debate can go on XD

its has nothing to do with the gene, but the player!

if i were to say modern player sux tat means im insulting mychemicalromance( )

it actually depends on the player

lol..........i LOL'ED XD

OMG OMG..........give me a moment to breath........

ok, let me explain...... listen carefully, to be a good musician, if u know classical knowledge, you have a hugh amount of information in your head, u understand cadence( its whereby how a chords leads to another ends sounds), u understand interval, u understand intervals, u understand everything about chords, melody writing, and FYI, classical player dont just study "classical", we study from the baoque period to contempary. YES!! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD! WE STUDY COMTEMPARY!!

We study musicians from the year of 1900 till now, we study the beatles, we study every musician who made an impact in history. we study how their music, how the chords are arrange difrently from the classical period, how debussy change the music scence, its all under music.

Classical student dont just "LEARN" to paly mozart, we learn ALL, we are Expose to ALL, we go to orchestral, we go to rock concerts( i go MCR XD), we do everything.

WE study the modern scence, wat makes this band song diffrent from this, while does this key melody change is diffrent.

EVEN ME, a classically train, sit downs and listen to linkin park and comparing it to my chemical romance, and see which chord and melody shift made the huge impact in key modulation which mades the music so special.

and for your information, if u check PROPERLY, a wass amount of comtempary musician/singer/producer graduated from a classical university. why are their music so much better than yours? cause they understand music better than you. the have a HUGE amount of knowledege, they know every detail of the history of music, they understnad CHords SOOO MUCH better than you!

if i were to write a chord for u , b2b( flatten-2b) can you tell me what does this chord mean??

NO!

But if u ask a producer or a singer, they can explain.
just because they are comtempary singer doesnt mean they arent trained classically.

u are narrow minded. please think before you speak. u sound childish eventhou im younger than you.......by alot

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:29 pmP/S: i play the electric guitar and im in a band.

im 16.

and im classically train.

does that mean i cant play modern piece?

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 24 2008, 10:29 PM

julliard
Michael Giacchino, Composer, "Lost", "Ratatouille"
David Bryan, musician, Bon Jovi
John Williams, Composer, "Star Wars", "Jurassic Park"


David bryan from bon jovi graduated from julliard. a top rated music college in new york. Wait, HE WAS CLASSICALLY TRAIN? WHY IS HE IN MAINSTReaM?!?! OH NO!! BMAN, i thought.... u say classically train players are loser, then bon jovi are losers?? and they will never penetrate mainstream??

lesson? think before you talk. just because u think so, doesnt mean its right. if you are not sure, do some research before assuming

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:46 pmomg JAY CHOU IS A LOSSAAAHHH TOO!!

cause he was classically train therefore jaychou will NEVER enter mainstream with the music he wrote because he is CLASSICAL TRAIn.

hey........wait a minute....

Jay chou is one of the most successful taiwan musician.

bman, i prove u wrong again.

can i post another hundreds of examples?

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:49 pmoh can i share abit of "CLASSICAL KNOWLEDGE"

let DIDI tell you abit of music history.

J S BACH(Johann Sebastian Bach) was the founder and creater of the diatonic scale.
Diatonic scale= c major, d major, e major, F major etc etc

before BACH, ever piece is played in MODE, which is the dorian and etc etc.

SO lets imagine, if JS BACH nv created the diatonic scale, would there be mainstream music like now? will you be able to strum chords??

we must not neglect our roots.

i prove u wrong again Bman.

WAit, i will bring in another hundreds of example if i have the time

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 24 2008, 10:50 PM

MIKE SHINODA from linkin park.

After that, he began taking piano lessons, studying classical pianist techniques- wikipeidia

WAT WAT?!

bman, i prove u wrong again again again again.

shall i countinue my debate or AM I CLEAR?

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:57 pmwow, bman, from ur post again, seems like ur mind is really NARROOOWWW.

please open your eyes, just because u are from a low side of society, u nv seem to see the big picture.

Many malaysian suceed in the music industry, is whether how hard they strive.
And no, good player dont starve FUI, only loser end up like that.

Take guang liang, he was classically train, and where is he now??

see, just because u suck, doesnt mean other people suck.

Many musicians are playing in orchestra all around the world, and your not.

please, OPEN UR EYES and widen your mind.

your posts are immature and childish.

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Added on April 24, 2008, 10:58 pmP/s: seems like u have a huge amount of jealousy towards talented people and prodigies

This post has been edited by icypetals: Apr 24 2008, 11:00 PM

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