im kinda lost

Are we talking bout gigs, classical education, modern education or what XD?
before posting try to specify what we are talking about before ending up in flame-war.

im going to share a fact here which is true but sad( applied for classical instrument like piano etc etc etc, not guitar or drums IM BEING SPECIFIC  =p)
Classical player can play classical and modern music
a modern palyer can only play moden music.

ok i must admit my view is indeed too idealistic.

what you've said is very true also. that's what i'm actually seeing now, just the same as yours. sometimes, a detailed work will never get appreciated. most of the time, clients just want fast, reliable, and cheap. quality? nah, they don't give a damn really.

i've also know a friend who's violinist. he absolutely play like, uh, i really don't know how to explain. and yet he's working at the industry of earning 4 figures by just playing a few songs. however, you know, he has packaging. dress like superstar, play violin pieces in fusion style like vanessa mae, and he's good looking too. it's just the way he play. i don't even dare to say he has half of vanessa mae.

however, i still believe that, if you're truely an expert of your own field, there's always a chance to breakthrough. i've deal with quite some good paying clients who actually know about their own stuffs, and they're happy with my stuffs, and slowly i got a chance to have my works presented at overseas. at the very least, i'm targetting on the standard that world musician will look at, rather than the standard the clients want, so no embarrassment will happen and people will gain respects too.

im kinda lost

Are we talking bout gigs, classical education, modern education or what XD?
before posting try to specify what we are talking about before ending up in flame-war.

im going to share a fact here which is true but sad( applied for classical instrument like piano etc etc etc, not guitar or drums IM BEING SPECIFIC  =p)
Classical player can play classical and modern music
a modern palyer can only play moden music.

you keep it up my brother....

i already gave up..i had accepted that this world is an unfair world...

your effort doesn't pay back 

anyway , what are you? composer ? care to share any recent projects you done ? advertisement ? 

you keep it up my brother....

i already gave up..i had accepted that this world is an unfair world...

your effort doesn't pay back 

anyway , what are you? composer ? care to share any recent projects you done ? advertisement ? 

no objections. classical music is father of all modern music. one can only learn the skill from classical, it's the root.

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Nowadays, with the Internet and youtube, we should be even more grateful because we have a chance to introduce ourselves, and get more contacts/network.

We just need to be less stubborn and adapt.

thanks!
i'll create some short clips just to give you an idea of what i've been doing. maybe soon i'll post it up on youtube.

thanks!

yeah it depends on lucks too, maybe i'm a little more lucky that said. i have a friend who's one of the rare ones that actually can make you melt with his piano playing. the tone he produced is to die for. however, he didn't quite involve in gigs and large performances as well as music productions (he's a good singer too!).

i'm a music arranger. i mainly do pop music arrangement mainly for artist in chinese industry. i've also did some sondtracks for local animations too but that's of a rare project. i don't do jingles anymore. i did tried some, but it's really not within the reach of my composing skills. composing for commercial ads and composing for pop songs is just 2 different thing. and the pay for jingle writings, just, wow.

sorry to tell you that i'm going to stay anonymous at the moment, as i don't want to get involved in music industry politics too. however, i'll create some short clips just to give you an idea of what i've been doing. maybe soon i'll post it up on youtube.

hahahahaha..cool..

hey , if you need a guitarist-sessionist ..remember to call me ya ..dont always call david chin 

classical>modern

debate over?

Tat was fast.

shall i make a conclusion?

classical>modern

Classical vs Modern is like

Tube amp snobs vs solid state amp/modeling crowd.
Digital Modelers all the way!!!!
To hell with tube amps and the snobs 

ah ha.

Ok lets call apon 2 person, 1 classically trained, second, a comtempary player.

now i put 1 grand piano and 1 keyboard.

first i ask the classical player to play the grand piano and keyboard. he playes wells and explains what he played, the intervals, the key signature, the composer, the dynamics, the beauty of it.

next i ask the competary player, he only plays the keyboard and says "Rock on!".

Debates continues
Dont let the thread die........yet

i always thought

modern > classical

since classical is kinda " dead " playing... play true to the tempo and blah blah never change anything...

while modern... u can play with the tempo... and song's dynamics... it's up to the player's intrepretation...  ^__^

tsk tsk tsk.

all i see is your arrogance and ego. and your examples are, pathetic.

tell me, why do you want to use a n00b contemporary player as an example? do you think all a modern player can do is, uh, "rock on"??

brilliant.

ah ha.

Ok lets call apon 2 person, 1 classically trained, second, a comtempary player.

now i put 1 grand piano and 1 keyboard.

first i ask the classical player to play the grand piano and keyboard. he playes wells and explains what he played, the intervals, the key signature, the composer, the dynamics, the beauty of it.

next i ask the competary player, he only plays the keyboard and says "Rock on!".

Debates continues
Dont let the thread die........yet