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 Ele or Enh Shaman for PVP?

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post Apr 23 2008, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 23 2008, 11:58 AM)
i believe ive mentioned that as a prot warrior you gear up considerably faster, and easier than the rest of the raid.
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Please Elaborate.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 23 2008, 11:58 AM)
and i also believe the whole welfare thing started because you decide to take a jab at my gear knowingly how futile and gear envy you are. last i also check, said welfare epix are pvp oriented and they are almost worthless in raids. i even wear blue pve trinket and t4/prekara gear over my supposedly t6 quality s3 gear because i know how to defferienciate what gear does what, unlike you who doesnt seem to comprehend even that.
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Oh, NOW i'm the one who can't differentiate PVP and PVE gears bcos i said Tanks can't use welfare epics (PVP gear) for raiding ???

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post Apr 23 2008, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 23 2008, 12:03 PM)
can you even make a decent attempt at trying to use your brain? even though it isnt much to begin with.

i believe we have a fine example here, even though hes recently inactive from lyn.
that should be enough hint.
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I beg to differ...
which part makes u say tanks gear up easier than other classes??

is it the part where it's easier to pug than afk in BG?
is it the part where after 40 runs and still no Sun Eater drop, wherelse i can choose what i wanna buy with honor/arena points?
or is it the part where i can even lose all arena matches and still be able to bag a few S3 pieces which does not require rating?

that makes gearing up tanks easier huh ?
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post Apr 23 2008, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(xpresside @ Apr 23 2008, 12:51 PM)
this thread is ele or ench shaman
becomes kara maiden tank lul....
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what is enchantment shaman?
Lol.... just kidding
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post Apr 23 2008, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 23 2008, 03:24 PM)
Since you said that melee class will cause the healer having a hard time. So tell me, which is easier for healer to deal. melee class that gets holy ground with crap damage or range dps(in this case hunter) that get holy fire ?? hack, even if the damage is equally same between holy ground and holy fire, it is healer job to heal the raid lar. what else can they do ??
She will cast Holy Fire no matter if u are all-melee (except healer) or all ranged (excep tank) or a combination of both.
Your question sounds as if by having meleers, she will stop using Holy Fire. This is not true bcos healers will still be outside of aoe and hence "somebody" will
get the Holy Fire. Someone has to dispell it. It's inevitable. But having meleers take damage in the aoe is extra job for healer, no?

QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 23 2008, 03:24 PM)
And who is the one that have to waste time keep running in and out when hit by repentance and who is the one can continue hitting on maiden without having to move an inch? And they can't even use their pet in this fight assuming there are 3~4 melee class within the holy gorund. So what kind of dps will the hunter produce in this maiden fight?
I have no idea why a hunter can't use pets becos my hunter knowledge is 0.

QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 23 2008, 03:24 PM)
And, by having a hunter running in and out of holy ground when they are hit with repentance, might increased the chances of chain holy wrath, no??
Repentence has a longer cooldown than the chain.
Running in once in a while is STILL better than getting chained constantly if were in melee group.

Anymore arguments?
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post Apr 23 2008, 04:21 PM

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The funny thing is...
You guys insist you are right, yet you can't bring up facts to prove me wrong right in my tracks...
You question my way of looking at things, but when i answer back with more insight, u shut up.

Same like the case when i said PROT > ARMS.
You insist i was wrong, but u can't get me the proof.

btw, that was a joke thread... i know PROT doesn't DPS better than arms,
but it's sad you guys can't come up with a healthy discussion rather than simply brushing it off as NOT TRUE...
or changing the subject to focus on other things, like "how stupid i am etc"...

I am open to discussion if u'll simply make more sense...
not becos it's not true simply bcos u said so.
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post Apr 23 2008, 04:46 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breath
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post Apr 23 2008, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 23 2008, 04:52 PM)
are you like, some kinda stupid? you're really beyond hopeless
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There you go again....
If you have nothing constructive to comment on the topic,
not posting isn't such a bad idea.

You won't lose e-peen for not posting.... rly.

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post Apr 23 2008, 05:17 PM

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i appreciate the links myremi but what are they for?
no offence, but what are u trying to prove?

Added on April 23, 2008, 5:27 pmMyremi, what does this mean?

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2 locks = 2 Curse of Dooms (amped if possible) = 50k hp gone every 90 seconds = omg more cheese!

just checked, CoD is 60 sec.... and wassup with 50k damage ??

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post Apr 23 2008, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 23 2008, 05:53 PM)
No i did not said it will stop using holy fire if you have meleers. read again bro. lazy to repeat what i said above.
No, that is exactly what u're saying....
YOU read ur own sentence, not me.

You asked "which one i prefer? Meleers getting crap aoe damage OR hunters getting Holy Fire."
If i choose meleers get crap damage, does this mean she will stop casting Holy Fire??
JEEBUS FREAKING CHRIST !!! You don't even know what u're talkign about.

QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 23 2008, 05:53 PM)
Still there a slight chance that it might happen right? And it bloody wasted dps running in and out.
Again, with 3 meleer who know what they are doing will not be getting chained constantly. Even 4 meleers will not cause it if they are perfectly spread out.  How is it u will be getting chained constantly then? Are you stupid or something ??
Dude, you need to brush up on ur english....
what do u mean slight chance to happen??
I SAID "getting chained once every repentance is better than constantly getting chained on melee" !!
Which part of that sentence do u not understand ??

And why is everyone's vocab so limited in this forum ? Stupid is the only thing u know how to say.

and not getting chained with 4 meleers is bull crap.
You don't stand the same spot the whole time. lotsa running to healers to break stun etc...

AGAIN, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.... you don't even know what u're talking about.

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post Apr 23 2008, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 23 2008, 06:50 PM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

The problem is that even if we share our experience, you deny it based on your experience. But the question now is there's a lot of us in higher end instances compared to you, so whose experience does it count?

My last advice to you is this Kings83 : you don't have to like the person giving the help, you just have to be polite.

No more posts from me whenever you say or ask for something. Too much coaching or tip-giving even for me.
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Some things are cold hard facts... like how 1 stam = 10 hp for most classes etc...
Some boss does this move, you're supposed to move out to avoid damage, then run back in resume dps...

not flat out going spartan becos running out is "wasting time" or bcos i'm "overgeared"..
u know what i mean myremi? Different boss does different moves, you react to them...
not tank same spot throughout the fight and going spartan.

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post Apr 23 2008, 07:04 PM

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2nd boss of mech.... the one that spawns double or triple fire elementals...
Do your tank while avoiding the trail of flames or do u ignore the damage and keep fighting
cos avoiding is waste of time and bcos u can cos u're overgeared?
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 23 2008, 07:03 PM)
No comment anymore.
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You're one of the person i respect 'cos u're humble and doesn't have this elitist attitude
like most of the guys here... But if u can honestly say that these people here aren't bullcrapping
about how tanks can raid in welfare epics and even to the extend tank gears are easier to get than welfare epics,
i got nothing to say.

You know they're pulling BS out of their ass but you're too afraid to admit it cos u dun wanna offend anybody.
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post Apr 24 2008, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 24 2008, 09:05 AM)
i personally would consider it "true" over "to a certain extent"

however, this guy is talking about maiden, in today's age of epix welfare-ness. and despite many vets pointing his wrongs, ignorantly continues to go "ranged is teh superiar on maiden" crap.  doh.gif
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It all started 'cos u disagreed with my POV.
srsly, if you don't agree... just let it be. You can't change people's mind.
Some ppl thinks PVE is how u get to enjoy the game, others think PVP is the way to go.
Neither are wrong. But you were rude to begin with, so who are you pointing the fingers to now?
All the name calling only works during primary school.... make it clear, i have not called you by any childish remarks
up till this point.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 22 2008, 11:20 AM)
you're retarded if you think melee is handicapped in maiden fight.
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QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 24 2008, 09:46 AM)
No. i said Holy fire normally targeted at the person closest to her BUT OUTSIDE Her HOLY AURA. which mean, melee that are close to her (INSIDE HER HOLY AURA) would not be targeted. Hence Ranged DPSers will be the one have to eat the bloody Holy fire zhit. understand ??
Did u really attempted Maiden before??? most of my run i don't even have to move much. maybe move forward and backward a bit. that is because healer hit by repetence, the tank move a bit so the holy ground will hit the healer therefore break the repetence on the healer. that it.
If the tanker does not move, i don't have to move at all.

I seriously never seen chained wrath happen before in all my run, maybe next time i should purposely run close to the tanker for the sake of wanting to see it happen.  tongue.gif

Added on April 24, 2008, 9:58 am
look whos talking..
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TL;DR
too many "meh"
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post Apr 24 2008, 01:21 PM

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then again, you are the type of people that finds joy and feels a sense of accomplishment simply bcos u've been playing longer anyway...
so i can only guess it's no wonder u're so proud.

I still remember you were comparing ur epix rogue with my freshly power leveled warrior and u were happy cos u got more hp.
It's sad you need to compare urself with new players to feel good about urself, but whatever makes u happy smile.gif
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post Apr 24 2008, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 24 2008, 01:50 PM)
So this is your arguement ?? lol.
lame...
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My argument is..... i dun even wanna argue.
'cos u are repeating it again...

QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 24 2008, 09:46 AM)
No. i said Holy fire normally targeted at the person closest to her BUT OUTSIDE Her HOLY AURA. which mean, melee that are close to her (INSIDE HER HOLY AURA) would not be targeted. Hence Ranged DPSers will be the one have to eat the bloody Holy fire zhit. understand ??
Means if no ranged, Maiden won't cast holy fire amirite?
[sarcasm]not even to healers. Or ur healer stand inside aoe wan? that's why she no cast?[/sarcasm]


edited to include sarcasm tags cos some ppl just don't get it

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post Apr 24 2008, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(aaltong @ Apr 24 2008, 02:45 PM)
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lol... are you still a bloody kid that play WOW? how old are you by the way ?

Well, i never try kara raid with 10 melee char. therefore i really do not know whether maiden will cast holy fire or not.
But by all means, you can go ahead and try it out. but bear in mind, most probably you raid will wipe even before she cast holy fire.
hack...i don't think you all even get pass trash mobs in kara. laugh.gif

You are creating a scenario that won't be happening in a million years to argue your point. hah..

Can i  borrow your statment below and point it at you ??
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AGAIN, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.... you don't even know what u're talking about.
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You = support melee
Me = support ranged

why should i try 10 melees?
i put this in point form lah, so it's easier for you to understand.
If you get confused, you tell me which line u confuse, i try to explain more.

1. She will cast Holy Fire, dun care you 10 melee or 10 ranged. Agree or not?
2. You say she won' cast Holy Fire to melee. Agree?
3. I never say she will cast holy fire to melee. I say she chain holy wrath melee only. Agree?
4. Then you say she will cast HF to hunters. Agree?
5. I say she will cast HF even if u don't have hunters becos she can still cast to healers. Agree?
6. So what is the difference if u have hunter ? 1 person sure will kena the HF and 1 person sure must dispell it liau wan mah?
7. Read point #6 one more time.... what is the difference got hunter or not? cos somebody sure kena HF liau wan mah (healer).
8. ???
9. pwnt
10. but now leh, if got melee char, they kena chain = take extra damage = healer have to heal more people.
11. Healer stop healing melee before repentance and Hot tank. Melee continue to take damage from aoe & chain. Possible some melee die = decrease dps.
12. if no melee, 7 hunters outside aoe no take extra damage, 7 hunters can shoot non stop except for during repentance, 2 healers can concentrate heal tank only, 2 healers can HoT tank even during repentance = tank won't die = ??? = profit !!

but of cos a raid with 7 hunters, 2 healers & 1 tank is stupid, but for argument's sake... i am only letting u know ranged > melee in this match.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 24 2008, 03:13 PM)
no need to go down to his level to drag in irrelevant stuffs for the sake of argueing (just like how he attempted to RL PVP LOLZ!)
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Ho Ho Ho...
i did not attempt to RL PVP...
but u wanted me dead... i only said if u wanted me to, you should do it urself smile.gif
And i am glad you feel good about urself that u're not out of shape smile.gif
The offer is still open tho, how bout tonite? I'm not raiding tonite so i got time smile.gif

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post Apr 24 2008, 04:14 PM

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too far.... i'm around TTDI...
find somewhere more convenient for both of us.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 24 2008, 04:17 PM)
if you agree to even have the sign off and willing to go through the legal procedures (anyone thats good with law know how malaysian law deals with consentual suicide cases?) im sure we can work something out smile.gif
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skip the legal BS, let's do it the old fashion way.
Name a time and place

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post Apr 24 2008, 05:24 PM

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sigh.... seems like u're not serious about this.
Fine, forget it.... i'll just crash one of the gatherings if i happen to know u're coming.

But i'll let u know, you're worst than a woman... all u can do is flap ur gums.

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