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post Jun 21 2008, 08:30 AM

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shit they actually do tat? lets boycott the green marked oil...


Added on June 21, 2008, 8:32 am
QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 08:08 AM)
If I thinking to transplant engine, Then I will boost it to 0.8-1.2 as you said.. But I dun think wanna do so. That why I wanna doing low boost like 0.5..
No la. That turbine is for turbo use.. Usually their use big turbine because wanna add more horse inside. but me just wanna add some power so mai use single blade turbine lor.
hehe.. wrong la. Rm2.70/ =P
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bigger the turbo longer the lag.. can u TT to minimize it nod.gif

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post Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:21 AM)
understand that bro
something like soft turbo rite?
but then how can the turbine have only 1 blade?
wont be balanced kan?
any pics articles on these turbines?
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Yeah. Soft turbo.. Actually it mean single blade not only have 1 blade la. hehe.. I also not sure. need someone which do turbo car to clarify about this whistling.gif whistling.gif . Picture I dun have it now as my friend still helping me finding it.

I found the picture on net. TD05 Single blade.
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QUOTE(wkho555 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:25 AM)
supercharge wow biggrin.gif
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Turbo Charge la. You know what, carburetor also can run turbo charge. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:26 AM)

The Govt. announced the new petrol price at RM2.70 and all petrol stations set their meters at RM2.700 EXCEPT Petronas, who set their meters at RM2.704.
We don't really notice this and Petronas is taking advantage of this!!!
I say let's boycott Petronas for good!!


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WTH man shakehead.gif
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Yes. I see some station is RM2.74 and some is RM2.72. But it not of the petronas. Is because of the petrol station itself. You sent this to petronas, then that petrol station will be dead meat.

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:30 AM)
shit they actually do tat? lets boycott the green marked oil...


Added on June 21, 2008, 8:32 am
bigger the turbo longer the lag.. can u TT to minimize it nod.gif
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Nope. If you have bigger turbo, then make sure the piping and intercooler is suitable to compress the pressure. Mean bigger turbo, bigger piping and bigger intercooler. Because turbo is running about pressure. If those air not compress in the piping and intercooler, then will happen turbo lag. That why usually you see those bigger turbo have bigger intercooler piping and intercooler. But not all turbo user care about this. What the care, janji ada turbo. icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by singchaii: Jun 21 2008, 09:13 AM
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post Jun 21 2008, 09:14 AM

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the new season of top gear will be air starting tomolo.. there is a nice challenge on the first episode! smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2008, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Jun 21 2008, 09:14 AM)
singchaii
the new season of top gear will be air starting tomolo.. there is a nice challenge on the first episode! smile.gif
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My house no astro. sad.gif sad.gif
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post Jun 21 2008, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
Yeah. Soft turbo.. Actually it mean single blade not only have 1 blade la. hehe.. I also not sure. need someone which do turbo car to clarify about this whistling.gif  whistling.gif . Picture I dun have it now as my friend still helping me finding it.

I found the picture on net. TD05 Single blade.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
ooo
hmm...would like to see the inside if can
once u fren find post for us to see k
wink.gif


QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
Turbo Charge la. You know what, carburetor also can run turbo charge.  biggrin.gif
wont that system have quite bad fc?
...no electronics to control fuel input wor...

QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
Yes. I see some station is RM2.74 and some is RM2.72. But it not of the petronas. Is because of the petrol station itself. You sent this to petronas, then that petrol station will be dead meat.
i tot fuel prices at the pump is controled from a central office
didnt know the fuel station can change it themselves
tot all was controled through that satalite dish that all stations have hmm.gif

QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
Nope. If you have bigger turbo, then make sure the piping and intercooler is suitable to compress the pressure. Mean bigger turbo, bigger piping and bigger intercooler. Because turbo is running about pressure. If those air not compress in the piping and intercooler, then will happen turbo lag. That why usually you see those bigger turbo have bigger intercooler piping and intercooler. But not all turbo user care about this. What the care, janji ada turbo.  icon_rolleyes.gif
actually, the intercooler is to drop the temperature of the air so that it becomes more dense
when the air is compressed by the turbo turbine, it adheres to the universal gas law:
PV=T
where P is pressure, V is volume and T is temperature
so according to this formula, if P goes up, as it does in a turbo system, the T will go up also
so if the temperature of the gas can be reduced, oxygen density can be increased

turbo lag is not caused by intercooler size
i understand why you are saying that bigger pipes will reduce it
to a certain extent that is true
but the biggest contributor to turbo lag is the the turbine size
the larger the turbine, the higher the boost it can achieve
but also the heavier it is and thus the higher the inertia
inertia is the resistance of a mass to change of motion
newton's law states that a mass in motion will stay in motion and a mass at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon by an external force

as the turbine gets larger, the inertia increases so the time it takes to spin up to its operating speed where it can boost the intake air is longer
a smaller turbine which will be lighter will be able to spin up much faster thus reducing the "lag" from the time the pedal is pressed to the time the turbo kicks in

this is why supercharged cars do not have the lag coz they are tapping their power directly from the engine rather than having a turbine in the exhaust which has to spin up
the trade off is ofcourse parasitic load on the engine

higher end turbo cars now are moving towards multi staged turbos to reduce turbo lag to a minimum
they use more than one turbine starting with a small turbine to kick in and then slowly switch over to the bigger turbine once it is up to speed
this method is very effective
the only draw back is the additional cost
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post Jun 21 2008, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 09:37 AM)
ooo
hmm...would like to see the inside if can
once u fren find post for us to see k
wink.gif
wont that system have quite bad fc?
...no electronics to control fuel input wor...
i tot fuel prices at the pump is controled from a central office
didnt know the fuel station can change it themselves
tot all was controled through that satalite dish that all stations have  hmm.gif
actually, the intercooler is to drop the temperature of the air so that it becomes more dense
when the air is compressed by the turbo turbine, it adheres to the universal gas law:
PV=T
where P is pressure, V is volume and T is temperature
so according to this formula, if P goes up, as it does in a turbo system, the T will go up also
so if the temperature of the gas can be reduced, oxygen density can be increased

turbo lag is not caused by intercooler size
i understand why you are saying that bigger pipes will reduce it
to a certain extent that is true
but the biggest contributor to turbo lag is the the turbine size
the larger the turbine, the higher the boost it can achieve
but also the heavier it is and thus the higher the inertia
inertia is the resistance of a mass to change of motion
newton's law states that a mass in motion will stay in motion and a mass at rest will stay at rest unless acted upon by an external force

as the turbine gets larger, the inertia increases so the time it takes to spin up to its operating speed where it can boost the intake air is longer
a smaller turbine which will be lighter will be able to spin up much faster thus reducing the "lag" from the time the pedal is pressed to the time the turbo kicks in

this is why supercharged cars do not have the lag coz they are tapping their power directly from the engine rather than having a turbine in the exhaust which has to spin up
the trade off is ofcourse parasitic load on the engine

higher end turbo cars now are moving towards multi staged turbos to reduce turbo lag to a minimum
they use more than one turbine starting with a small turbine to kick in and then slowly switch over to the bigger turbine once it is up to speed
this method is very effective
the only draw back is the additional cost
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You quote all my reply. haha..

it set by the petrol station itself.. If not, why that day some before 12am already convert to 2.70 while still running 1.92? icon_rolleyes.gif

carburetor can run turbo BUT your AFR must run RICH all the time. mean your FC is terrible.

About turbo lag, it still got many reason to made it happen.. I not very familiar with this yet since I'm just beginner and just started to learn in college. Maybe in future, I can give more sure about that.
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post Jun 21 2008, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(pojam @ Jun 21 2008, 04:48 AM)
is there anything you can do to the 4g15 stock so that you have that top end power band? sometimes i feel bad when a honda speed away from 130-180km/h.
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u can choose highcam with adjustable cam pulley, then advance cam degree abit to higher power band.
also u can try 4-1extractor and s-flow muffler? correct me if im wrong.
or mayb u can add 1.6 stroker kit?


Added on June 21, 2008, 11:08 amhey guys, anyone know the market price of a 1.5EFI engine halfcut? thx

This post has been edited by dopeisgood: Jun 21 2008, 11:08 AM
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post Jun 21 2008, 11:09 AM

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Hi guys and gals,

I was just wondering, is the Iswara Aeroback that costs around RM 27k still available for sale? Any known problems for that car? Seems to be quite a good price for a car. Please give me some comments thank you notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:58 AM)
You quote all my reply. haha..

it set by the petrol station itself.. If not, why that day some before 12am already convert to 2.70 while still running 1.92?  icon_rolleyes.gif

carburetor can run turbo BUT your AFR must run RICH all the time. mean your FC is terrible.

About turbo lag, it still got many reason to made it happen.. I not very familiar with this yet since I'm just beginner and just started to learn in college. Maybe in future, I can give more sure about that.
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hahaha
ya lor...
reply one by one lor
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post Jun 21 2008, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:26 AM)

The Govt. announced the new petrol price at RM2.70 and all petrol stations set their meters at RM2.700 EXCEPT Petronas, who set their meters at RM2.704.
We don't really notice this and Petronas is taking advantage of this!!!
I say let's boycott Petronas for good!!


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WTH man shakehead.gif
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shell also the same. 2.704 biggrin.gif

QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Jun 21 2008, 11:02 AM)
u can choose highcam with adjustable cam pulley, then advance cam degree abit to higher power band.
also u can try 4-1extractor and s-flow muffler? correct me if im wrong.
or mayb u can add 1.6 stroker kit?


Added on June 21, 2008, 11:08 amhey guys, anyone know the market price of a 1.5EFI engine halfcut? thx
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rm3800 mirage 1.5 halfcut.


Added on June 21, 2008, 12:53 pm
QUOTE(jeff_ckf @ Jun 21 2008, 11:09 AM)
Hi guys and gals,

I was just wondering, is the Iswara Aeroback that costs around RM 27k still available for sale? Any known problems for that car? Seems to be quite a good price for a car. Please give me some comments thank you  notworthy.gif
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last batch. stop manufacture oledi. still see some keh brows.gif
comment arr. nice car to mod brows.gif

This post has been edited by wkho555: Jun 21 2008, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(pojam @ Jun 21 2008, 04:48 AM)
is there anything you can do to the 4g15 stock so that you have that top end power band? sometimes i feel bad when a honda speed away from 130-180km/h.
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highcams, 4-1 extractor....

QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 06:23 AM)
ya
for this engine 0.5 boost cukup d
if not after 1+ year will be looking for new engine d
hahaha
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last time i've heard a standard 1.5 block turbocharged running on 1.5bar.... the owner/mechanic every month change engine block.... laugh.gif

QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:26 AM)

The Govt. announced the new petrol price at RM2.70 and all petrol stations set their meters at RM2.700 EXCEPT Petronas, who set their meters at RM2.704.
We don't really notice this and Petronas is taking advantage of this!!!
I say let's boycott Petronas for good!!


[attachmentid=504349]

WTH man shakehead.gif
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mad.gif mad.gif

lucky i dont pump petronas all the while... tongue.gif

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Jun 21 2008, 08:30 AM)
bigger the turbo longer the lag.. can u TT to minimize it nod.gif
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TT to minimize??... ur TT stands for what??...

QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
I found the picture on net. TD05 Single blade.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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wub.gif

QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
Turbo Charge la. You know what, carburetor also can run turbo charge.  biggrin.gif
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jeng jeng jeng...

user posted image

user posted image

and the stock standard TC carbie engine... not bot geh... details spec on this engine i also dunno... it is called G32B...

user posted image

QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:08 AM)
Nope. If you have bigger turbo, then make sure the piping and intercooler is suitable to compress the pressure. Mean bigger turbo, bigger piping and bigger intercooler. Because turbo is running about pressure. If those air not compress in the piping and intercooler, then will happen turbo lag. That why usually you see those bigger turbo have bigger intercooler piping and intercooler. But not all turbo user care about this. What the care, janji ada turboicon_rolleyes.gif
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laugh.gif laugh.gif

reduce turbo lag, shorter intercooler pipings (better throttle response), correct size intercooler, increase static compression (not too much coz TC engines nature needs low compression engine), or inject nitrous at off boost... brows.gif

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Jun 21 2008, 09:14 AM)
singchaii
the new season of top gear will be air starting tomolo.. there is a nice challenge on the first episode! smile.gif
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rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 09:58 AM)
About turbo lag, it still got many reason to made it happen.. I not very familiar with this yet since I'm just beginner and just started to learn in college. Maybe in future, I can give more sure about that.
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so good can get formal educations on this... i wanna find people teach me also cannot.... sad.gif
ehh, ur notes can photostat for me ahh??... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Jun 21 2008, 11:02 AM)

Added on June 21, 2008, 11:08 amhey guys, anyone know the market price of a 1.5EFI engine halfcut? thx
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approx 1.5k for svdo or mmc from wira....
approx 3.5k for iswara uk spec complete with fuel tank...
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QUOTE(wkho555 @ Jun 21 2008, 12:51 PM)
rm3800 mirage 1.5 halfcut.
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oic thx.. but its old engine rite?

QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 21 2008, 12:53 PM)
approx 1.5k for svdo or mmc from wira....
approx 3.5k for iswara uk spec complete with fuel tank...
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ok.. so the 1st option to change the fuel tank?
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QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Jun 21 2008, 01:57 PM)
oic thx.. but its old engine rite?
ok.. so the 1st option to change the fuel tank?
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best option...do like tan sri...change car laugh.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 21 2008, 12:53 PM)
highcams, 4-1 extractor....
last time i've heard a standard 1.5 block turbocharged running on 1.5bar.... the owner/mechanic every month change engine block.... laugh.gif
mad.gif  mad.gif

lucky i dont pump petronas all the while... tongue.gif
TT to minimize??... ur TT stands for what??...
wub.gif
jeng jeng jeng...

user posted image

user posted image

and the stock standard TC carbie engine... not bot geh... details spec on this engine i also dunno... it is called G32B...

user posted image
laugh.gif  laugh.gif

reduce turbo lag, shorter intercooler pipings (better throttle response), correct size intercooler, increase static compression (not too much coz TC engines nature needs low compression engine), or inject nitrous at off boost... brows.gif
rclxm9.gif
so good can get formal educations on this... i wanna find people teach me also cannot.... sad.gif
ehh, ur notes can photostat for me ahh??... rolleyes.gif
approx 1.5k for svdo or mmc from wira....
approx 3.5k for iswara uk spec complete with fuel tank...
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Note ar? No note de. But got book. 1000pages sweat.gif haha..
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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 02:23 PM)
best option...do like tan sri...change car laugh.gif
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haha im not tan sri lah.. jus a small little rakyat onli.. haha where got the ability to change car?
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QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Jun 21 2008, 03:34 PM)
haha im not tan sri lah.. jus a small little rakyat onli.. haha where got the ability to change car?
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if u din change car means not ur lor...mayb...its "someone else"? whistling.gif
hehe
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QUOTE(dopeisgood @ Jun 21 2008, 01:57 PM)
ok.. so the 1st option to change the fuel tank?
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u can maintain ur standard fuel tank and that would be a better choice.... because most old uk version, fuel tank might be rusty or what.... not vr good lor...
if maintain standard tank, must use external fuel pump... opt for a bigger fuel pump as many cases ppl convert to efi using external fuel pump, they experience fuel surge (insufficient fuel delivery)....

remember to use fuel pressure regulator to control the fuel pump extra pressure... icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jun 21 2008, 02:23 PM)
best option...do like tan sri...change car laugh.gif
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QUOTE(singchaii @ Jun 21 2008, 02:38 PM)
Note ar? No note de. But got book. 1000pages  sweat.gif  haha..
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photostat for me lor... hahahaha.....

let me see the content first lor... see see i interested or not... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 21 2008, 05:22 PM)
u can maintain ur standard fuel tank and that would be a better choice.... because most old uk version, fuel tank might be rusty or what.... not vr good lor...
if maintain standard tank, must use external fuel pump... opt for a bigger fuel pump as many cases ppl convert to efi using external fuel pump, they experience fuel surge (insufficient fuel delivery)....

remember to use fuel pressure regulator to control the fuel pump extra pressure... icon_rolleyes.gif
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ok ok thx alot for info.. now sourcing.. hahah
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jun 21 2008, 05:22 PM)
u can maintain ur standard fuel tank and that would be a better choice.... because most old uk version, fuel tank might be rusty or what.... not vr good lor...
if maintain standard tank, must use external fuel pump... opt for a bigger fuel pump as many cases ppl convert to efi using external fuel pump, they experience fuel surge (insufficient fuel delivery)....

remember to use fuel pressure regulator to control the fuel pump extra pressure... icon_rolleyes.gif
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
photostat for me lor... hahahaha.....

let me see the content first lor... see see i interested or not... rclxms.gif
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Content? everything also got. hehe. later I type out the content la.

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