ok some of you already using a 7.1 receiver or planning to get one.

my question is will you really set up two pairs of surrounds? placement of current surround speakers is already pain in the butt so are you planning to add two more or already have added?

well...i m using 7.1 now. it depend wat trouble u encountered. but for me its ok to set up cos it is only set up or trouble for 1 time during the installation pr enplacement. just need to hide the wire or keep it organise ok adi 1

It's good to have a 7.1 system if you have a dedicated room for your home theater but if you like me using your living room than yeah its quite messy with all those speakers (especially the cables).

I'm getting the 7.1 Yamaha 663 once its here but I will keep my existing 5.1 setup. At least until I got myself a bluray player or maybe PS3

easy to get software???

not many software with 7.1

It also depends on your software too. If say u did have plenty of dolby digital ex or dts ex software then better go for 7.1 hardware. I agree with arrimie that you shall consider for dedicated ht room to get the optimum effects.

Hardware w/o software is like rims w/o tire

Blu-ray titles with DTS HD MA 7.1 is really amazing...

go try..

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Apr 15 2008, 10:05 PM

Sorry...but what software got to do with 7.1 AV amp? Unless you are talking about PC 7.1 and not dedicated 7.1 AV amp

so i take it you have a 7.1 speakers setup as of now?

I agree. HD sound has dedicated stream for each of the 7.1 channel.

size of room is important too i guess...for small a room, how to make the sound spread rite with a 7.1

to me better stick to a good 5.1 than go for a lacklustre 7.1...

Well, 7.1 movies might be limited for the time being but the list will grow in the future. I have enough speakers to do 7.1, guess I need to shift my rear surrounds to the front a little, then put my surround backs to the back. I'm waiting for my new amp end of this month so I guess I can shift the speakers around first.

The difference is quite stunning with 7.1 material really. In Black Hawk Down BD you really feel like your in a war when the helicopter or bullets fly from the front to the middle, to the back in suck a way.

Love it, I was once doing 5.1, and with 7.1 gthere is a difference

fellas please read the question nicely and reply. i not asking good or not good. im asking do you have 7.1 speakers set up now or plan to in the future? or continue with 5.1 even if you have a 7.1 AVR


its a simple yes or no answer. no need give me grandmother stories about software availability, room size, rims w/o tires analogy, got difference or no difference, etc

thank you

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 15 2008, 10:49 PM

if i got big space n nice setup i will

if small n pariah ah beng setup like mine

no need lo

Black Hawk Down BD is actually in PCM 5.1 so are you using Dolby Pro Logic IIx to get 7.1 (matrixed)?

Easy solution ...... buy new house lor.

no

If you need to setup a new HT, might as well get it ready for 7.1. Most receiver will be able to matrix 5.1 to 7.1 to provide more ambience surround sound. If you have 2 rows of seat, it is compulsory to get good surround sound.

5.1 just nice for small area ... 7.1 for bigger area ... got money go for 11.2 ...

im running 5.1 now, will upgrade to 7.1 with the spare jamo, just for the sake of it nia

support 7.1/7.2

sui

Lets say the room is 12' and 10', is 7.1 ok or need bigger room?

if i got space i also wanna go 7.1

mine area about 12' x 14' (2-sided wall, 1 sliding glass)

I guess i m happi with 5.1

if got $ i upgrade to a 15" sub

I'm currently on 6.1, the 7th speaker is on its way!

Hope to have 7.1 by this weekend.

Well, about the room size, I think it's more about the speaker size, not the speaker count.

You can still enjoy 7.1 in small room, just use small ones for the surrounds and calibrate correctly.

wah, buying new speaker i guess?

what speaker u hav in mind?

on the other hand, im thinkin to replace my surrounds with bipole speakers... but couldnt get time to demo yet..

Hi,

7.2 user now .. but with hindsight I d stick wif just 2 surr spkrs..

Don't know yet. Haven't even done any survey. That's why I said "hope to have by weekend"!

i got ma ...waferdiu bipole

then u can come n i poison u HD65 also

kekeek

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Added on April 16, 2008, 10:26 amif i got MOOLa

my next upgrade is B&W 600 series

else KEF series

but but

This post has been edited by megatron007: Apr 16 2008, 10:26 AM

B&W 600 series berapa taikor?

685, 686, HTM62 is it?

last round i checked about 35k for whole package 5 speaker + 1 sub

*glurp*

for that kind of price, they can keep it

u first day know B&W dealer?

sibeh good to jack up

wat to do

unless u go UK n buy

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Added on April 16, 2008, 1:14 pmif i got KEF series

I guess below 20k can kao tim liao

This post has been edited by megatron007: Apr 16 2008, 01:14 PM

not suitable for high-power AVR and speakers cause difficult to position sound movement

my room about the size of yours ... am also using 5.1 setup ... my subwoofer is 20"

wat sub is that?

FUYOOOO

For the 600 series? Cannot be lah.

If I buy two pairs of 685, matching center, and go with the more expensive round PV1 subwoofer also 20k tak sampai.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 04:05 PM

Bro, I am using Pioneer products

my sub i htink 8-10 inch nia....
like no sub like tat....

actually if using powerful AVR and speakers ... 5.1 setup already unspeakable ... don't need 7.1 ... unless you have a very big room

I tried Pioneer most advanced EX Speaker series with AVR LX-70 ... 5.1 setup only ... in around 20'x25' room ... the sound quality unbelievable ... the speaker itself cost >100k and front speaker each weight around 45kg ... so I don't think need 7.1 in this case

100k?

siow.... 100k...
we try to maintain it with 1k nia
if my avr got more outputs, 11.3 also i do

I thought you guys are expert and taikor in AV field ... don't tell me you all never see and try Pioneer high-end products before

This post has been edited by clngu: Apr 16 2008, 04:14 PM

If I had the 100k, I would rather buy top model B&W 800 series than Pioneer.

With all due respect, the words Pioneer and High End don't go together in my mind. Now I don't doubt they have some serious shit, but the problem is they have too much mass market stuff around.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 04:17 PM

i never even see kuro b4 [:I]

Expert doesn't mean banker.

What taikor actually means?

This post has been edited by aiman04: Apr 16 2008, 04:18 PM

taikor = big brother, leader, kepala

800 series?

i guess now more than 100k per pair for front stand

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Added on April 16, 2008, 4:31 pmcan show me the link for 20" pioneer sub

KENG!

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Added on April 16, 2008, 4:31 pmlike megatron - taikor for decepticon




This post has been edited by megatron007: Apr 16 2008, 04:31 PM

Pioneer high-end products never into mass market ... their target is $$ people

if anyone has opportunity ... look at Pioneer LX series ... then you get better picture

Pioneer EX speaker using Technical Audio Devices' (TAD) ... those who playing AV ... should know TAD

anyway, I try to find which AV shop has B&W 800 series for me to test ... then Pioneer vs B&W ... cool

I think 801D should still be less than 100k.

800D should be in the region of 100k or slightly above.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 04:57 PM

To YAMAHA owners..

Some Yammy AV amp has front presence speaker output.. But if u use presence speaker jack, then u cant use side surround speaker..

So, which one will u choose to use?

i remember the JBL theatre setup b4 in AV fair

damm powderful

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Added on April 16, 2008, 4:40 pmfuyoo ELITE

mean UR 20" sub woofer by PIONEER also "limited" production?


KENG


if got chance ...snap me a pic n post here.... wanto "OPEN MY EYE"




This post has been edited by megatron007: Apr 16 2008, 04:40 PM

Bro, here is the malaysia website and singapore website

oops ... I mistaken 20" ... is 20cm ... the largest one is 30cm ... sorry

What I meant was no matter what high end products they produce, their mass market products bearing their same brand name cheapens their appeal somewhat.

For the same price, I can go for true high end brands, even if for no other reason than snob appeal. Which sounds better?
"I have Pioneer speakers.... but they cost 100k"
"I have B&W 800D speakers"
"I have Wilson Watt speakers"

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Added on April 16, 2008, 4:48 pm

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 04:57 PM

Bro, Yamaha speakers NS777, NS555, NS444, NS333, SW1500 ... good or not ... I saw them at TBM ... connected to AVR 1800 ... pricing reasonable

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Added on April 16, 2008, 4:52 pmtrue high end brands ... please give example ... if it is available here, I will go test it

This post has been edited by clngu: Apr 16 2008, 04:52 PM

oohh tak apa

20cm izi

Hmm, maybe I just get myself a 5.1 then.

How big the room need to be? 4m * 5m enough or not?

I DIY one 60cm and paint it black ... empty shell

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Added on April 16, 2008, 5:00 pmBro, allow me to check with AV specialist and let you inform ...

This post has been edited by clngu: Apr 16 2008, 05:00 PM

all Japanese speakers are crap.....*quickly run and hide*

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 16 2008, 05:02 PM

Thanks for your trouble.

Go to Monsoon on Jalan Maarof Bangsar and try speakers like the B&W800D. But beware, they're quite a LCLY bunch.

But I must admit that B&W also have some lower end stuff, so they also cannot be considered exclusively high end. Brands like Wilson Audio not so easy to check out here. Megatron may like their stuff... their speakers look like Transformers.

not side surrounds. but rear surrounds.

presence speaker output is in conjunction of yamaha DSP program. yamaha DSP program ranging from movie watching, sports, entertainment, concert listening, hall, and so forth. the main idea is to get listener to 'feel' the scene when DSP program is activated. you could read more in google.

so to further enhance this DSP program, here comes the presence speaker into place. but lower end yamaha cant output presence channel + actual surrounds all together in one time.

so to answer your question, to use front or surround back, it depends on the media itself. i oftenly use front presence if i listen to music and concerts, coz i could use the dialog lift effects. Also when listening to music, u could use the theater program whereby it will somehow makes the sound like u in this particular theater. e.g roxy theater and so forth. And also, all the reverb, echos, surround effect can be further exploit if u use presence.

for movie playback, i always use rear surround for full motion effects. dont wanna alter anything coz u might end up losing some effects from the actual studio master.


only RX-Z11 able in outputting all 11.2 discrete, including front presence & rear presence. so u got mind blowing true 11.2 surround around ur asses!

This post has been edited by apisgogo: Apr 16 2008, 05:06 PM

That's not an inaccurate generalisation. I was going to say that too but Digitalkl saved me the trouble.

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Added on April 16, 2008, 5:09 pmCan it be considered 11.2 discrete if at most, the disc being played is only 7.1?


This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 05:09 PM

As per question in the thread.

I will not go for 7.1, too many speakers and a b*tch to setup. Unless can sufficiently hide all the wires.

In addition, not much support for it be it for PC or for a hometheatre setup.

I'll stick with either my Logitech Z5500 and my dad's Klipsch 5.1 system at home.

Cheers

Thanks bro, I will go there this weekend if they open business

DigitalTech said wan............not me....not me........

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 16 2008, 05:15 PM

taken from yamaha website:



it more or less adding the surround depth. impressive but not night & day difference.

when Yamaha RX-Z11 available here ??? I want to compare it with Pioneer LX90 when it arriving here next month

Nanti DigitalTech kick you in the nuts like your avatar baru lu tahu. Or is that supposed to be dying to pee?

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Added on April 16, 2008, 5:21 pmIf like the way Yamaha explains it, I wouldn't consider it 11.2 discrete. In my opinion, discrete means every one of those 11 channels gets a unique signal.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 05:21 PM

i dunno abt unique, but its add some effects on the channel. how to say, like when helicopter scene, where the sound is from front to back, this presence will act as continuation after front channel before surround channel. tested it myself.

means not discrete?

discrete means got dedicated signal............

Perhaps it's like delay the signal then. I'm no expert also but discrete means unique, whereas this receiver seems to be doing is using one of the original 5 or 7 channels, and manipulating it somewhat before sending it to the additional channels. That is not discrete. Those 11 channels can't be discrete unless the disc's audio is recorded with 11 discrete channels, and we all know that there is no such thing.

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: Apr 16 2008, 05:46 PM

ya, perhaps..

maybe i mistakenly read as discrete.. but i do recall read this somewhere..

nvm, like i said its not night and day difference

Ya, I think it won't be night and day difference also. Just fill in the gaps intelligently only, so to speak. Not unlike how an upscaler fills in the blanks by looking at the original pixels beside it, and then making a best guess as to what it should be.

hm, speaking of an upscaler,

when i play a scene e.g beach scene, my front presence speaker adds somehing like the water splashing sound into the surrounds. when compare to presence speaker off, with presence channel, the beach scene gets more fuller and deeper.

is it consider discrete as well?

Aiyo dont say like that lah. Different ears mah. What u like doesnt mean everybody else will like and vice versa.
Just say la u dont like it because of...bla, bla. bla and not simply put it as crap
Maybe that yammy speaker range not musical enough but they serve their purpose within a certain budget.

Sony D series 40 " is crap....... *quickly hide with didikl*

anything Sony is crap *hides behind rx330*

except PS3
*kicks didikl didi

oh ya hor! ps3 !

This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 16 2008, 10:24 PM

haha.. ps3 roxxx

That's true, more speakers, more wires, if one day can use wireless speakers, that will be great.

Their in different league, I guess. My money on Yammy Hope to see both AVR in KLIAV 08.

Coming bk to this topic, I wld definitely go for 7.1 setup. Better still, 7.2

This post has been edited by htkaki: Apr 16 2008, 11:44 PM

Dude when is the KLIAV this year. I might wait for that to get my 663 if it coming soon.

I dont dare to go 7.2 1 sub already rattled my sliding door and windows

The KLIAV Show 2008 will be held from July 25 to 27 at the JW Marriott Hotel with RM10 for the admission fee.

preparing more BULLET for AV fair

if they got promo on BDs lagi BEST

i really hate going to those AV fest. have to go all the way and turun, wont let you go straight to your desired destination.

usually these AV Fest got better discounts wan or not?

normally got

go la... very nice event la

always make me go back n feel very tulan with my farmer HT setup

like wanto throw to klang river

those who going, can help me buy cheap SACD?

no need throw, i come help you dispose wan ah?

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Added on April 17, 2008, 11:17 amyou think can get better AVR price meh at AV Fest?


This post has been edited by DigitalKL: Apr 17 2008, 11:17 AM

can

especially u got CASH

last time i remember

got 1 deal

stock up all ready stock barang

u pay them

u carry ur barang to ur car

happy-ing going home

better than Yamaha warehouse sale?

yamaha1?

i duno la

i dun like yamaha1


sorry ... only denon & malanz

*run n hide*