Bulk discount? No idea...

Or maybe the Red ones are not as successful in HK, thus its available a bit cheaper... I haven't seen much of Blue (or Black) yet over here...

As for the bolded line... I don't really get that...

Yeah...

Wait until you have one in your house... Then you'll start to lose it even more...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 22 2008, 12:08 AM

Yep... I do, however, PRAY every day some enterprising Taiwan/HK/China company starts churning out proper retractable METAL styli for the XM 5800...

Oh yeah, another small issue with the 5800, or at least my dad's example... The first time I tried to connect to another network after that initial try with the Kopitiam WIFI Access Point, it was nearly impossible to disconnect the WIFI connection and thus equally impossible to connect to my Home AP... The issue was cleared with a restart, though, and it hasn't given me another problem since...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 22 2008, 12:20 AM

Just make it a bit thinner, with rubber/plastic bits that jut out a bit to make it snug... Or metal wrapped in plastic... ANYTHING but the toothpick that it ships with...

You mean resistive not capacitive? For one, it's cheaper to use resistive (ie. pressure) touch screens (screens are cheaper to procure, and they are easier to program for - ie: cheaper)... Two, you can use a stylus with resistive touch screens (it's fingers or nothing with iPhone screens), and I can tell you, there are times that I personally feel that a stylus would be most helpful (one of the reasons why I stayed clear of the fingers only iPhone)... IMHO anyway...

Try using a pen/stylus/coin/guitar pick with the iPhone... Granted, the IP's OS is much, much better suited for finger navigation, but there will be times when I want to jot down stuff on my touch phone, no chance of that with the IP...

Anyhow, EpocWare's line of Handy utilities (Handy Cal, Shell, Weather and the SlovEd dictionaries) have been ported over to the S60 Touch! Some of my prayers have been answered! Rejoice!

Fingers getting itchier and itchier...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 22 2008, 02:18 AM

For to be 5800 owners... Check this out and make sure you don't end up with lemons...

http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtop...der=asc&start=0

Thankfully, my dad's unit seems fine enough, except for the occasional wheezing out of breath and thus lag while surfing... AND that overly EMO accelerometer...

And he's STILL not asleep, youtubing himself to oblivion...

Another interesting thing to think about:

http://www.thenokiaguide.com/my_weblog/200...ync-a-life.html

In the light of my brother getting his phone pickpocketed out of him while we were in Indo, and the chaos that ensured...

Shame SE's don't do online sync (my bro's phone was a W800i, and now he has - due to the grace of my on-a-electronic spree-dad - a W980i, talk about easy go, easy come), even if we DO have MyPhoneExplorer...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 22 2008, 03:22 AM

Wahlawei... Crap cheap for AP...

If still got stock, maybe get from there lor... Hows the warranty like?

The middle-age-man-o-meter is showing EXTREME SATISFACTION from the 5800, so in his view its probably a keeper... The slight lags in web surfing (due to excessive use of desktop grade flash on YouTube) aside, he's extremely happy with it!

And the 5800 had it's first accidental drop test today, proving that it wasn't as flimsy as we thought it was...

Which means I'll have to go get my own, which I WILL...

Now it's just the question between an Ori set or an AP one...

And as for the Tube thread, I'll help with giving info, but managing one will be beyond my current capabilities lar...

Great built, great screen (not utilized well by Vanila WinMo, might be better with mod programs), ok2 sound...

The ONLY problem with it, I think, is WinMo itself, which isn't really a touch-centric OS... S60 Touch, even if it wasn't designed from the ground up for this, is better for finger use then Vanilla WinMo ever will be IMHO, even with mods...

But the physical keyboard helps greatly, giving it a slight edge over the Touch HD IMHO... And there's also the X1's 3-inch standard headphone jack...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 22 2008, 11:19 PM

Uhh, not wanting to sound like a fanboi, I'd say for a 1.5k (AP) toy phone, it has a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitle bit more substance underneath all that hype than you'd think...

I'd like to think of it as the 2nd, more feature packed reincarnation of the Original HTC Touch - a cheap touch phone for the masses (minus WinMo, that is... )...

Besides, the Omnia / Innov8 / Iphone3G / X1 / Touch HD are all for different target markets, non?

As for me, I like my cheapo smartphone wannabe to be:

1) Able to do the mobile WIFI groove (read: surf the net wherever I need it to)
2) NOT too HUGE.
3) Have a flexible OS that can handle at least a few useful 3rd party apps.
4) NOT too expensive (read: expandable and replacable)
5) Play me my music!
6) Play me my anime (the reason why I skipped the original Touch and got an Axim instead)!
7) NOT die too soon (read: reasonable battery)

And as such, only the 5800 XM fits the bill for ME (for NOW at least)...

For everyone else, what do YOU want your phone to do? Soul-searchin time, guys...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 22 2008, 11:51 PM

LOL... True...

Everyone for their own... I for one cannot afford to change phones each month, so it's 1 phone for a few years so every few years I go soul searching for the next gen thingy to replace the ones I already have in my pocket...

Again, for now, the 5800 is the thing for me (FOR NOW)... I really don't know if it will fit the needs of others as well as it does mine (really not sure if ti DOES even fit mine asso... thus all the testing...)...

On a more industrious note, currently i'm converting some anime to try out on the 5800 XM...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 23 2008, 12:29 AM

No probs, bro!

Ditto on the iPhone... Great games, and EXTREMELY intuitive browsing IMHO, not much else (for now, not even flash lite)... BUT, the platform's still evolving, like everything else around it, so I really can't say...

Except that I NEED styli input (which the IP cannot provide) and I'm limited in terms of funds (so no X1 / TchHD etc)... Thus the decision to get the 5800XM...

Video's still converting... Handbrake failed miserably, most probably due to Vista and its UAC limitations... Trying Any Video Converter rite now...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 23 2008, 12:39 AM

Transcoding with Any Video Converter = Epic Fail...

2nd try with Handbrake (running as admin to counter Vista syndrome) = Great Ownage...

Clear video, clear audio, no jerkiness or such... Looks FAR, FAR better then transcoded PSP MP4 files even (not AVC, mind)... Plus the full 25min anime clip didn't eat even one bar of battery power!

The only problem is that the transcoded MP4 video was slightly larger then the desktop original (232MB - original AVI vs 256MB - transcoded MP4 for the 5800)...

Time to play around with Handbrake's settings, and/or try out AVC...

So, final question (will the 5800XM happily play my anime in acceptable quality levels?) answered (resounding YES!), time to get my funds together...

Outside of gaming, my PSP is quickly losing it's reason to exist...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 23 2008, 02:00 AM

Preference? Black... But normally only Red and Blue are available here (for some unknown reason, there are 3 colour variants of the 5800 actually)... I'd take the Red one myself, if not for the fact that there will now be TWO Red 5800s in this household...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 23 2008, 02:11 AM

Just to say, Ori might not be better quality-wise anyway... Just much better in terms of warranty IMHO...

Getting a non-lemon set is still more related to luck than anything else...

Any another thing, Made in China: Good... Made in Hungary: Bad!

Haiiiooo.... Myself I still have to wait until my finances are in order... So I'll havta come home to a 5800 that's somebody else's EVERY DAY until that day...

Sad, sad life I lead...

Maybe I'll be able to get an Ori set when the price is more logical...

Aisehman, kenot lar... Next year I'm extremely busy, last stretch of my studies...

Can help only...

Nah, they were thinking of finding a TS for the 5800 owners thread...

*runs away*

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 24 2008, 02:01 AM

Haha... Like I explained, I would love to take the job, if only I had more time on my hands... It's my last semester of studies and the workload is killer...

Darned government paid, controlled and managed study packages! No control what so ever given to me to make my last semester a low credit-hour cakewalk... *rant*

E71 = Blackberry competitor = Business features galore...

5800 = Cheaper iPhone 3G'ish = Multimedia powerhouse (that can still do A LITTLE work, provided more S60 5th Ed. programs come out)...

Anybody tried updating their AP sets to the newest firmware? Any luck?

Just tried my soon-to-go-outstation dad's 5800, and yeah, it has the "cannot add birthday to contacts" bug as well...

The newly out firmware update supposedly addresses this...

Oh, and watch out for the sudden shifts in colour vibrancy (the blacks become brownish all of a sudden) on the display... It's happening over here too, albeit very rarely... Another firmware bug?

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 25 2008, 10:02 PM

Aiseh, 3 times also ask eh?

Anyhow... To answer...

1. Yes, but STEER CLEAR of the FLASH-HEAVY front page of most video "tube" sites - create a bookmark to their search page or something... As for youtubing itself, its smooth as silk...

2. No, idea... Not much Symbian software available on it yet (its S60 5th Edition, so spanking new that ALMOST NOTHING runs on it yet)... But generally, as long as you don't multi-task too many proggies, it won't lag too much (OR run the front page of Youtube in the background = extreme death lag)...

Installing and running many programs at the same time are two different things... :sigh:

Maybe... But I haven't tried... Quicktime video IINM is encoded in H.264 video codec and AAC sound, and I haven't tried playing them on a 5800 YET (and cannot try asso, the 5800 of the house has flown to a former Soviet country with my dear dad)...

What I KNOW, is MP4 encoded in XVID for Video (1200 kbps) and AAC for audio (128 kbps) plays fine, AS LONG AS the video dimensions are correct! It must be 640 X whatever, it seems...

Will post a longer version of the Handbrake conversion tut later... As the original version has gone offline...

An empathic YES, the camera module sucks ass... Noise is off the chart, even if the plastic cover is to blame for the dull, unsaturated colours... Maybe a firmware update or two will compensate for that, but as it is, the cam module is barely adequate...

My almost 2-year old, 2MP SE W810i does better in low light...

As I have a DSLR to compensate, I don't mind... But for those who want a good (if not great) shooter in their phones (and don't mind a less resolution screen, no touch and GREAT sound quality), run as fast as you can to the Samsung INNOV8... It's a GREAT phone!

As for the LG Renoir, keep in mind that it runs on a Proprietary OS, which (MIGHT, I don't know) mean, less software to use later... If you don't plan to use more software later, consider the Renoir (or that OTHER Samsung 8MP shooter touch phone)...

A custom tuned OS that ONLY runs what it needs to WILL ALWAYS be faster and more stable then an OS that is designed to do everything and clean the kitchen sink (in this case, S60 5thED)...

As for me, I'm still waiting... Need the touch, need S60, the reso, can live with the above average SQ and don't need the cam for anything more then Contact Pics and MMSes...

This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 27 2008, 12:08 AM