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Nokia Nokia XpressMusic 5800 "TUBE", Nokia's first touch S60 device

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post Oct 4 2008, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Oct 4 2008, 02:54 PM)
Have you check out the actual videos of it yet? There are transitions on the user interface and it is nothing but smooth and intuitive. Also, although N95 has dual processors, there is no nothing in the developer documentation that states 3D hardware acceleration (OpenGL ES PowerVR MBX) is included in the second processor. So far, the only best guess is the dual ARM 11 processors refers to 1 for the main application accelerator and the remaining for the Nokia RAP processor for voice stack. This is the same implementation on WinMo PDA phones where they have 1 for application and 1 for baseband communication.

The tube do not have 5MP capability is because its not an N-series model. The ExpressMusic 5800 is in fact a trial product by Nokia in testing its S60 Touch. If it is successful, you will soon see an N-series offering in the near future. As far as the videos are showing, there are no sign of lagging on the interface but more to the unresponsiveness of the touchscreen which needs a lot of improvement.
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6220 is not N series model but having almost the same specs like N82.

People having the wrong perception that N series must have the best specs and xpress music must have the best sound. N81 can be said to have the best sound quality compare to other xpress music and walkman phone.

Nokia dont include its documentation about the 3D hardware accellerator and GOLDEN EYE. N82/N95 uses a TI OMAP 2420 as CPU and a TI OMAP DM290 GOLDENEYE for camera. IINM TUBE using the same processor with N78.

I think better not to post too much and no one will be interested to read after all.
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post Oct 4 2008, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Oct 4 2008, 04:06 PM)
6220 is not N series model but having almost the same specs like N82.

People having the wrong perception that N series must have the best specs and xpress music must have the best sound. N81 can be said to have the best sound quality compare to other xpress music and walkman phone.

Nokia dont include its documentation about the 3D hardware accellerator and GOLDEN EYE. N82/N95 uses a TI OMAP 2420 as CPU and a TI OMAP DM290 GOLDENEYE for camera. IINM TUBE using the same processor with N78.

I think better not to post too much and no one will be interested to read after all.
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Nokia does not include these information and obviously it will not because of intellectual reasons. But it is available at various symbian S60 specific developer sites which is important so people can write the appropriate applications. And you're sure about that Goldeneye thing? Seriously?

If people is having the wrong perception of N-series to have the best specifications, then N-series' branding is very successful. Because yes, N-series will have the best specifications. Hands down. XpressMusic phones are music-centric products with dedicated keys for controlling only one thing - MUSIC. In fact N-series was suppose to handle this end of the market until Sony Ericsson was so successful with its Walkman phone and the Cybershots forcing Nokia to introduce XpressMusic and augment N-series' role into camera business. Once in awhile, good things from N-series or XpressMusic phones get trickle down to its 'normal' phones which is a good deal for users.

Sometimes, its not about how well it sings its tunes but how well it presents itself. N81 can be good at sound quality but it is not as easy to use compared to XpressMusic products in terms of music playback (no dedicated music keys). Ooh, don't tell me about that handsfree dongle with dedicated music buttons.

Clearly, people have different views of what is the device for them. If it is not good enough for you and you have something better in mind, then it is your perception. Nothing wrong.
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i just LOVE it when fanboys argue. rolleyes.gif

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post Oct 4 2008, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Oct 4 2008, 04:03 PM)
This phone actually got an actual keyboard or not?
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from the look of the fone in gsmarena.... it seems there is no keyboard... only virtual 1... hmm.gif
but since this is "touchscreen" fone, i guess the older applications will not work on this fone..? can any 1 clarify that... icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Oct 4 2008, 04:27 PM)
Nokia does not include these information and obviously it will not because of intellectual reasons. But it is available at various symbian S60 specific developer sites which is important so people can write the appropriate applications. And you're sure about that Goldeneye thing? Seriously?

If people is having the wrong perception of N-series to have the best specifications, then N-series' branding is very successful. Because yes, N-series will have the best specifications. Hands down. XpressMusic phones are music-centric products with dedicated keys for controlling only one thing - MUSIC. In fact N-series was suppose to handle this end of the market until Sony Ericsson was so successful with its Walkman phone and the Cybershots forcing Nokia to introduce XpressMusic and augment N-series' role into camera business. Once in awhile, good things from N-series or XpressMusic phones get trickle down to its 'normal' phones which is a good deal for users.

Sometimes, its not about how well it sings its tunes but how well it presents itself. N81 can be good at sound quality but it is not as easy to use compared to XpressMusic products in terms of music playback (no dedicated music keys). Ooh, don't tell me about that handsfree dongle with dedicated music buttons.

Clearly, people have different views of what is the device for them. If it is not good enough for you and you have something better in mind, then it is your perception. Nothing wrong.
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Yes I am sure of the Golden Eye, go look for schematic diagram of N95 and N82.

LOL? N81 N95 got DEDICATED music key for music. N81 has DEDICATED gaming key. I owned N81 before, I know the phone well. IN FACT it has NAVI WHEEL for Gallery and Music Scrolling which is better than xpress music eh? N81 has 3 dedicated audio chip, DAC33 + noise reduction + bass reproduction

While N78 got FM transmitter. If this phone comes with FM transmitter then it should be even better to be TAGed with xpressmusic. Easy music, play music even in the car tongue.gif

We are going off topic already. Stick back, lets see how great this phone can be and how great for the coming Touch Screen Nokia phone~

QUOTE(nubnub75 @ Oct 4 2008, 04:35 PM)

i just LOVE it when fanboys argue. rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 4 2008, 07:16 PM

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it seem panasonic88 already fall in love with this Tube brows.gif brows.gif
so, can 4get w910 edy laa tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Oct 4 2008, 12:48 PM)
i don see any ground breaking features except for touchscreen and larger screen.

If it is equipped with 5megapix I might buy I don feel like downgrading from 5megapix to 3megapix

This tube using single processor. Unlike N95 and N82 using dual processor because of the 5 megapix. The processor in Tube cannot support 5megapix thats why they put 3megapix only. And that is also one of the reason why the price is TAGed at HKD3000.
Without 3D hardware accelerator is a bit of the downside of this phone. Having such a big screen but without any FANCY/EYE CANDY animated UI is really dissapointed. 3D accelerator comes with the second processor. That explain why it doesnt have 5megapix, cheaper price and without fancy UI.

Like the N81 without 3D hardware accelerator but implementing FP2 animation UI, and other menu layout and cause laggyness is really a stupid move by nokia.
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from the beginning Nokia already mentioned this Tube is midrange phone...so what u expect from mid tier phone? smile.gif
n they also already mentioned there will be a high end version for s60 touch...this Tube will be their 1st attempt to discover ppls perception and anticipation. n currently Nokia hs shift to target mid segment coz most ppl aim for this segmet...
nway, hopefully the Nseries Touch can give answer for ur question n requirements biggrin.gif


Added on October 4, 2008, 7:30 pm
QUOTE(chicaman @ Oct 4 2008, 06:25 PM)
Note that I am not a fanboy of any product. I am just a normal end user who wants the best for myself.
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haha...all of us wanna best for ourselves when we spend so much money for the items.
giving opinion with facts good nod.gif

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QUOTE(allrightall @ Oct 4 2008, 07:20 PM)
my n73 and n80 leaks memory like laosai only, need to keep reboot, really sienz, sometimes after reboot, surf using phone browser after a few times also out of memory.

nokia fixed d problem d? latest n82 and n95 8GB all how?
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No memory issue till today, using N82


QUOTE(squall_kay @ Oct 4 2008, 07:23 PM)
from the beginning Nokia already mentioned this Tube is midrange phone...so what u expect from mid tier phone?  smile.gif
n they also already mentioned there will be a high end version for s60 touch...this Tube will be their 1st attempt to discover ppls perception and anticipation. n currently Nokia hs shift to target mid segment coz most ppl aim for this segmet...
nway, hopefully the Nseries Touch can give answer for ur question n requirements biggrin.gif


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haha...all of us wanna best for ourselves when we spend so much money for the items.
giving opinion with facts good nod.gif
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Better wait for the high end version

QUOTE(allrightall @ Oct 4 2008, 07:42 PM)
my n73 the browser stores its cache files inside the system RAM, instead of memory card or phone memory, no wonder always out of memory error, free RAM upon start up 20MB, open browser need at least 10 MB, the remainder not enough to sustain the website i surf to. not a very "smart" "smartphone" i have to say. 10 MB of cache enough for what, even my pc needs more than that. phew nokia really sweat.gif
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The cache if not mistaken store in phone memory instead of RAM in N82. I see a cache folder and inside for pics and scripts of website. Yeah I use N73 before and the memory issue and laggyness in gallery is killing me. Thats why I always recomend N82 / N95 8GB over N95 because N95 only got 64MB and it has some memory issue as well. Compare to 128MB which is more than enough and upon start up it has 92+mb free memory.
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Looking forward on this phone

when will it available in market?
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post Oct 4 2008, 09:35 PM

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How is the sms interface???On screen keyboard ?
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post Oct 4 2008, 10:13 PM

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wow, looks nice.
first S60 with touch scr?
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QUOTE(mstr583 @ Oct 4 2008, 09:35 PM)
How is the sms interface???On screen keyboard ?
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there'll be 4 types of input.

- handwriting
- mini QWERTY
- full screen QWERTY
- normal phone keypad (touchable)

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lets do it over here then:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/670555/+120

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post Oct 4 2008, 11:35 PM

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@panasonic88, moar moar moar, have anyone tried to play RMVB or AVI file with these? thanks
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playing a song also need to verify the license?



u watch carefully at 0:46sec

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post Oct 5 2008, 08:25 AM

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this phone look nice and looking forward to it. wondering when will it launch in msia. price range should be around 1.5k
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QUOTE(neroslash @ Oct 5 2008, 08:25 AM)
this phone look nice and looking forward to it. wondering when will it launch in msia. price range should be around 1.5k
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for the ordinary 5800xm is quarter of 2008.
but for the Comes-With-Music enabled 5800xm will be available next year.

i jz hope that the black colour 5800xm will be available is msia:)
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Thanks, will comes with music reach here? Hope that the price will like 1299myr or less.
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Oct 5 2008, 02:08 PM)
Thanks, will comes with music reach here? Hope that the price will like 1299myr or less.
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Comes-With-Music enabled 5800xm will enable customers have a year of unlimited access to “millions of tracks”.
something like itune store smile.gif

i jz wonder act when we pressing the icon on the touch screen, we need double or single pressing?
because i found out some video clips, the phone show null response under single press.... blink.gif

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