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baldi91
post Apr 5 2019, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(debonairs91 @ Apr 5 2019, 06:01 PM)
Can you guarantee asb dividend will stay above 6 when it's been decreasing for the past few years? You'll get your answer there...
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If iy grts down to 5%, simply stop the loan, get back some principle paid from asbf and you can STILL profit by a small margin than simply saving up.
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post Apr 13 2019, 04:55 PM

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Hi guys, just some quick question.

Let's assume every person with asb sell their unit, will asb have the fund to buy all of the unit?
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post Apr 13 2019, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Apr 13 2019, 06:44 PM)
Nobody knows. Because we don't know what the net-asset-value of the fund is. We know that there are 155billion units in circulation as of 31st Dec 2018 (Laporan Tahunan ASB 2018). With the fund units being fixed to RM1/unit, you are looking at RM155billion NAV correct? But that is not how ASB works, because we do not know what their NAV is.

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Figure 1. ASB outstanding shares

This is very different than how other unit trust funds work, such as the variable ASNB funds and other funds sold by Public Mutual and the other UTMC. The price per unit, or more accurately the NAV/unit, is updated every day, if all units are sold off, there should be enough funds (NAV) to be liquidated for the depositors - that would take some time (usually T + 3 to 5 working days), but that can happen, logically.

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Figure 2. Breakdown of the fund holdings based on industry. No mention of Net Asset Value.

This is a very good academic question, but something I cannot find the answer of. I know a few people in PNB but I fail to extract anything from them. Some people should know, but none of them have talked to me yet.  sweat.gif
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Thank you for your informed answers, really appreciate it!
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post Apr 13 2019, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Apr 13 2019, 07:19 PM)
I suspect the reason ASB2 has not been open for financing is because their reserves are low, or their NAV is actually lower than the total value of the outstanding units. This is just a speculation; but other funds would love getting as much new investments as possible.

As mentioned before, it is NOT illegal for funds to give out distributions even when the NAV shrinks, because the NAV and NAV/unit would be reflected immediately after the distribution.

But ASB2 is a fixed-price fund, we do not know its NAV/unit, because we don't know the NAV. We only know the price per unit (which is RM1/unit) but that is not reflective of its NAV/unit (as opposed to other, more transparent unit trust funds out there)

Could it be possible that the actual NAV/unit is lower than RM1/unit? Sure. Then in that case you are over-paying for the unit.

Ha camna? Dah takut? Hahahaha
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Lol! I'm more intrigued than scared of this. Seems like this "reserves" is enormously large that it can comfortably pay out "dividend" without fail, almost like a ponzi scheme hahaha. (I'm not accusing it as a ponzi though, it just felt similar if we don't consider the "reserves" it has).

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post Apr 21 2019, 07:12 AM

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Hi guys.
In the event of asb unable to give out dividend, how would we cope with the "loss" of money being paid to asbf?

Can we consider that as risk for asbf (compared to self contribute asb)?
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post Apr 21 2019, 08:24 AM

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Thanks for the answers guys. Hopefully asb distribution won't be lower than 6 sen.
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post Jun 25 2019, 06:06 PM

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Seems like ASB3 distribution is below 6 sen. Wonder how low ASB 1 and 2 would be. Don't think it'll reach 7 sen this time.
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post Aug 18 2019, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(coklatua @ Aug 18 2019, 10:59 AM)
Will the ASB account will be affected?
I mean the 200k certificate and the dividend.
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You will lose 1 or 2 months worth of dividend, depending on how fast the bank refinance it
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post Sep 16 2019, 08:45 AM

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Hi all,

Let's say the distribution for asb next year is at 6% or 5.5%, would you still hold on to your loan or stop it?
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post Oct 20 2019, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(MrFay @ Oct 20 2019, 07:07 PM)
Maybe 6.00 + 0.25
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I'll bet 6.25+0.25 or 6.00+0.50.
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post Dec 20 2019, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 20 2019, 11:27 AM)
i do have insta, will add him but doubt he'll add me back given the attention he has garnered recently

But thanks for sharing the contact, will act accordingly
If anyone plans to cancel their ASBF, it is best to apply for cancellation now:

a. the bankers will be even more overworked from 2nd Jan onwards
b. even if you apply now, and the bankers have done their part, no unit redemption will happen until 2nd Jan 2020, but you would cut the queue from the banker's side
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I tried to cancel my asbf, but the staff mentioned something like, "better to stop at january or else takut hilang dokumen nak terminate kmu tu, kmu dtg marah kat sini pula".

Weird reason.
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post Dec 22 2019, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 21 2019, 05:48 PM)
Just insist on cancelling it if you wanted to. Here is what I would tell my refinancing clients that need to canel before the new funds would be disbursed:

1. Fill up the form
2. Hand over the form to the counter/banker and have them stamp a received-date
3. Ask to take a picture of the form. If they deny, tell them it is for your own record
4. Take their name and number (office)
5. Tell them that you will follow up with them within a week

This will get them to do their work. I know a lot of bankers that would keep these forms on the side. The same bank can have widely different ASBF cancellation timeline.
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Thank you for the tips, much appreciated!

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post Jan 1 2020, 12:15 AM

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I've checked mine. It is exactly 5.5%. i guess everyone feels it's too low huh?
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post Mar 4 2020, 07:50 PM

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There is only one tangible advantage to saving in asb monthly using own money: guaranteed positive cashflow.

With asbf, you may run into temporary negative annual liquid cashflow (strictly cashflow between loan repayment against dividend earned), something that happened to last year. However, in the long run, asbf will more likely (not guaranteed) profit more than saving ownself.

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