but since its more like a quality lift rather than quantity.

hmm sounds good. i actually did before. bench press to neck. just that wasn't aware of the risk. and actually injured my rotator cuff. took 2 months off benching for that time lol..

the second thing that made it worst was those freaking stupid upright rows. lol.. screwed my shoulder in this case.. same side.. right side.. even tho rotator cuff is fine already.. i cant do any chin ups, pull ups, wide grip narrow grip, dips or anything. sharp pain on my right shoulder.. maybe i'm gonna get a scan soon and see whats the problem

yeah.. gonna get it scan.. hopefully by next week.

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Added on June 12, 2008, 1:39 amby the way. u guys a fan of dave draper?

This post has been edited by jones007: Jun 12 2008, 01:39 AM

dave draper was before the 1970s. very old fella.. friends of arnold and tom platz. didn't compete with them as far as i know. i've been reading his stuff for sometime. very intersting. old school basic training.

check this out. this picture is him at 60+ i think

all draper's stuff in here. hahaha

http://www.davedraper.com/workout-routines.html

they even have a cutting routine. 6 days a week. crazy shit

hahaha.. lots of supersets in it man. u see all drapers stuff was very basic. yet the physique they build was insanely beautiful too.

i haven't got it bro! send again pls. thx thx

HIT is a good regime la. but it goes against the bodybuilder's commen sense of training. the volume is too low. u train per body part 9-14 days once man. u go to the gym like 2-3 days a week? just to train one body part. its very very easy to over train too man. u gotta understand your body recovery capacity very well to do HIT. no many can make use of HIT optimally. u need a very strong mental to be able to push through failure too. training beyond failure is not an easy thing. its more than muscle. its your head.

what do u recommend for thickness of the lower trapezius? since shrugs are for the higher part.

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This post has been edited by jones007: Jun 17 2008, 01:22 PM

to upper abs eh? then what about the lats insertion? can be trained as well? or is it genetics..

diet. everything is diet. if u dont mind my 2 cents. cut carbs low. up your good fats intake.

learn to cook. while i'm dieting when i lost 7kgs in 2 1/2 months, i've been preparing and cooking 6 out of 7 meals my self. 1 meal is eating outside. thats all

IMO cable flies are a lot better than dumbbell flies. cable flies' TUT is much more than db flies too

when you train for hypertrophy(high reps), strength is your side effect, when you train for strength, hypertrophy is your side effect. when you train for both at the same time, you'll achieve nothing. lol

mark rippetoe has over 30 years of strength training experience. who you think you should listen to?