QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 9 2008, 10:56 PM)
Yes, no profession is perfect. I think it is good for students or graduates to have a true and honest perspective of what they're getting into so that they know what to expect.
People always imagine lawyers to have a glamourous life (too much American TV?) but the reality can be different. In law school I had no idea what life as a lawyer was like. So to help others I've always thought of doing a lecture for final year law students about life as a lawyer (challenges/benefits) and what skills it takes to be a good one.
it's amazing how ppl can actually choose a profession based more on their assumptions of "glamour" (which, to me, is worse than basing it on earning capacity) than actual passion and desire to contribute into that industry/profession.
QUOTE(linkeong @ Apr 13 2008, 07:49 PM)
FYI , manchester university does not have BVC. The one offering is Manchester Metropolitan University (previously Manchester Polytechnic). Are you sure external is that hard? My uncle told me UoL external is very easy thats why many people are taking it.
a lot of ppl taking it doesn't mean it's easy. FYI, the only university allowed to have external programme in msia is UOL.
the rest are twinning programmes. which means, the cheapest option to do an LLB without going out of the country is UOL external.
u make ur own assumptions from here.
QUOTE(kvys2000 @ Oct 19 2008, 03:30 PM)
As far as I'm not wrong, West Malaysians are not allowed to admit into East Malaysian Bars and vice versa.
Have there changed this rule?
Is there any possible way where West Malaysian be admitted into Sarawak Bar and vice versa? Marriage perhaps?
marriage will not help u to gain admission to Sarawak High Courts.
u need to be admitted to the High Court in Sabah and Sarawak.
also, u need to be a sarawakian (for sarawak. not too sure about sabah) or ordinarily a resident in swk to be admitted as an advocate in sarawak.
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7. We are all aware that there is no unified Bar for West Malaysia and East Malaysia. Can you give us an overview of the procedures / requirements that needs to be fulfilled by a Sarawakian after one completes the Certificate in Legal Practice (CLP) and thereafter intends to do pupilage in Sarawak?
Under the Advocates Ordinance of Sarawak, any person with Sarawak connections who has completed the CLP or the Bar Vocational Course is entitled to take up pupilage at the chambers of the State Attorney General or any Advocate in Sarawak who previously has had no less than five years of practice in any part of Malaysia. No person can be admitted as an Advocate unless he or she has been a pupil or read in chambers for a period of no less than twelve months.
A person is deemed to have Sarawak connections if he or she either was born in Sarawak, or has been ordinarily resident in Sarawak for a continuous period of five years or more, or otherwise satisfies the Chief Judge of Sabah and Sarawak (“Chief Judge”) that he or she is, at the time of asking, domiciled in Sarawak.
The Chief Judge has the discretion to exempt any person from the whole or part of any period of pupilage in certain cases. For law graduates who have been called to the West Malaysian Bar or Singapore Bar, regardless of the number of years of practice, generally nine months exemption from pupilage will be granted by the Chief Judge.
source:
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/national_yo...sahathevan.htmlhttp://www.malaysianbar.org.my/national_young_lawyers/yl_personality_desmond_sahathevan.html
so great to be a sarawakian
QUOTE(simplygorgeous @ Jan 12 2009, 06:39 PM)
hello,
i have just recently finished my spm and am very interested in legal studies. although i am not sure yet on if i want to do law. so i have decided to register for the south australian metriculation programme in march. i just wanted to know if the CLP/bar will allow me to sit for the exam with this foundation. the college tht i have decided to do this foundation hv stated tht the bod does accept the SAM programme, however a few lawyers tht i know of hv stated otherwise.
can someone please clarify this with me. thank you.
check the bar council requirement list.
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/admission_requirements.htmlQUOTE
Admission Requirements
For the latest guidelines, please contact the Legal Profession Qualifying Board Malaysia at:
Tel: (603) - 2691 0054 / (603) - 2691 0080
Fax: (603) - 2691 0142
Guidelines on Qualifications and Requirements for Recognition of holders of Australian and New Zealand Law Degrees to become ‘Qualified Person’ under the Legal Profession Act 1976.
Introduction
All matters pertaining to the qualifications and requirements for admission to the Bar in Malaysia are governed by the provisions under the Legal Profession Act 1976 (the Act). To be eligible for admission, a candidate must satisfy all requirements as are provided in the Act which may be broadly categorised as follows:
- academic requirements
- practical requirements
- formal requirements
As to the academic requirements, this is satisfied if a candidate can show that he/she is a 'qualified person' within the meaning of section 3 of the Act. Under the Act, 'qualified person' means any person who:
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has passed the final examination leading to the degree of Bachelor of Laws of the University of Malaya, the University of Malaya in Singapore, the University of Singapore or the National University of Singapore;
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is a barrister-at-law of England; or
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in possession of such other qualification as may by notification in the Gazette be declared by the Board to be sufficient to make a person a qualified person for the purposes of the Act.
Such person must then satisfy the practical and formal requirements before he/she may petition for admission.
In exercise of the powers conferred by para © above, the Legal Profession Qualifying Board (the Qualifying Board) has declared various qualifications, thus making a holder of any one of those qualifications a qualified person under the Act. Indeed, all law degrees (LL.B) from Australia and New Zealand, which are at present recognised for the purposes of the Act, have gained recognition through various Gazette Notifications made under para © above.
For the recognition of Australia and New Zealand law degrees, the approach taken by the Qualifying Board in the past is to determine the university whose LL.B degree is to be recognised and to specify additional requirements to be satisfied before the holder of that LL.B degree is deemed to be a qualified person for purposes of section 3 of the Act. This is then declared by notification in the Gazette.
At present a person who has passed the final examination leading to the degree of Bachelor of Laws (LL.B) from 14 universities in Australia and 5 universities in New Zealand, as listed in the relevant Gazette Notifications, and who is qualified to gain admission as a barrister or solicitor in New Zealandand in the case of Australia, in the State in which the university is situated, and having passed the requisite subjects prescribed by the respective Barristers/Solicitors Board or its equivalent, is a qualified person for the purposes of section 3 of the Act.
In 1994, the Qualifying Board decided to review the recognition of all qualifications under the Act including the present position of the LL.B degrees from Australia and New Zealand. This review was necessary taking into account the changes that have taken place since those qualifications were first considered and the recent trends and practices in legal education and training of lawyers. The Qualifying Board also felt that it had to specify its own requirements in order to conform to the new Malaysian needs in achieving and maintaining the required standard for admission to the Malaysian Bar and to provide for a uniform criteria for admission.
In March 1995, the Qualifying Board announced a new set of Guidelines for holders of LL.B degrees from universities in the United Kingdom (U.K.) to qualify to enter the Malaysian Certificate in Legal Practice examination (CLP) with the view of admission to the Bar. The Qualifying Board has now decided to introduce new Guidelines on the academic requirements for holders of Australian and New Zealand law degrees which are outlined below:
Guidelines on the New Academic Requirements
These Guidelines shall specify the requirements and criteria before a law degree from Australia and New Zealand is deemed to have satisfied the academic requirements and making a holder of such a law degree a qualified person for the purposes of section 3 of the Act. These new Guidelines are contained in Part One and Part Two.
It should be emphasised that these new Guidelines are applicable only to those who intend to use such law degrees to qualify for admission to the Bar in Malaysia and not to bar any person from acquiring such law degree for other purposes.
These Guidelines are introduced after careful study and discussions since 1994. In particular, they take into account of the following:
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a special report commissioned by the Qualifying Board on law degrees in Australian and New Zealand;
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visits and discussions the Qualifying Board had with the relevant authorities in Australian and New Zealand;
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changes that have taken place in the area of legal education and training of lawyers in Australian, New Zealand and Malaysia; and
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the need to streamline all academic qualifications which are being used for purposes of admission to the Bar in Malaysia.
These Guidelines consist of TWO parts:
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Part One : New academic requirements and criteria to be satisfied before the holder of a law degree is deemed to be a qualified person under the Act.
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Part Two: The qualifying degrees. The list of universities and their respective law programmes recognised by the Qualifying Board.
PART ONE
Academic Requirements
A. Certificate in Legal Practice
A person who has passed the final examination conducted by any of the universities listed in Part Two leading to the degree of Bachelor of Laws after 1 May 1999 is required to sit for and pass the examination for the Malaysian Certificate in Legal Practice (CLP) conducted by the Qualifying Board before he/she is deemed to be a qualified person under section 3 of the Legal Profession Act. 1976.
B. New Criteria
In addition to the requirement in (A) above, a candidate with any of the law degrees as are listed in Part Two must satisfy the following criteria as pre-requisites to sit for the CLP examination:
RULES
1. Entry requirements
2. Duration of the law degree
3. Subjects
4. Twinning Programmes
5. Joint Degrees
6. Transfers
7. Modes of Study
8. Branch Campus
9. Mature Student Entry
10. Transitional
1. Entry requirements
Candidates must have obtained the minimum grades as the entry requirements into the law programmes which are as follows:
1.1 Achievement at the SPM level or its equivalent. All candidates must have obtained a minimum of 3 credit passes at the Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) or its equivalent which passes must be obtained in the one and the same sitting of the examination.
1.2 Achievement at STPM level or its equivalent
1.2.1 All candidates must have obtained a minimum of 2 principal passes at the Sijil Tinggi Pelajaran Malaysia (STPM) or its equivalent which passes must be obtained in the one and same sitting of the examination;
AND
1.2.2 The duration of the STPM course of study or its equivalent SHALL be a minimum of one academic year.
1.3 For the purposes of these Guidelines :
1.3.1 The qualifications which are accepted as equivalent o the SPM are:
a. the 'O' levels examination by the various Boards in the United Kingdom
b. the School Certificate examination in Australia, and
c. the School Certificate examination for New Zealand schools, colleges and high schools.
1.3.2 The qualifications which are accepted as equivalent o the STPM are:
a. the ‘A’ levels examination by the various Boards in the United Kingdom,
b. the Australian Matriculation examination,
c. the New Zealand Bursaries examination, and
d. any other qualifications which may be accepted by the Qualifying Board as equivalent to the STPM.
2. Duration of the law degree
2.1 The duration for the law degrees SHALL be a minimum of 3 academic years.
2.2 In the case of a full-time study at a university, the law degree which is obtained must be completed within 6 years of initial registration with that university.
3. Subjects
3.1 The law degree SHALL contain a minimum of 12 substantive law subjects,
3.2 The 12 law subjects, SHALL include the following 6 core- subjects:
a. Law of Contract
b. Law of Torts
c. Constitutional Law
d. Criminal Law
e. Land Law, and
f. Equity and Trusts
3.3 Each of the core-subjects as in (3.2) above, SHALL be studied for the duration of one academic year
3.4 Candidates must have passed all the core-subjects mentioned in (3.2) above.
4. Twinning Programmes
If the law degree is conducted through twinning or other collaborative arrangements between universities in Australia and New Zealand and local colleges in Malaysia, such programmes must satisfy the following criteria:
4.1 The twinning arrangement SHALL consist of the maximum of 2 academic years of study in Malaysia followed by a minimum of one academic year of study in Australia or New Zealand.
4.2 The curriculum and coverage of the 2 academic years of study in Malaysia SHALL be the same as that conducted and covered internally by that Australian or New Zealand university which is the partner in that twinning arrangement and SHALL be validated annually and supervised by the same Australian or New Zealand university.
4.3 The 2 academic years course of study in Malaysia under a twinning arrangement and the local colleges conducting such programmes must be approved by the Ministry of Education of Malaysia or any body established by statute for that purpose.
5. Joint Degrees
Where two or more different and distinct disciplines or branches of learning are combined and studied in one degree programme, that degree is a joint degree for the purposes of these Guidelines.
Such joint degrees are recognised under these Guidelines only if the duration is extended to 5 years or more.
6. Transfers
6.1 A law degree from any university is not recognised under these Guidelines if a holder of that degree was in the first instance a failed student from another law school who had obtained transfer to that university from which he graduates with a law degree and who was not required to commence the course afresh.
6.2 Where a student has failed a part of his course or obtained only a conditional pass in any university and subsequently transfers his studies to another university where he is provided credit for any part of the course which he has passed and is allowed to proceed to the next year of study without being required to pass the complete examination diet of the equivalent year that he failed or was referred in his original university, his final law degree is NOT accepted under these Guidelines. This does not include a failed student who commences his course afresh at a different university after failure at his original university and thereafter successfully completes his course and awarded a degree.
7. Modes of Study
A law degree is accepted only if it involves full-time study either wholly at a university in Australia and New Zealandor partly at a local college in Malaysia and partly at a university in Australia and New Zealand under a twinning arrangement as in (4) above.
8. Branch Campus
A law degree which is acquired from any university through its branch campus located in Malaysia or elsewhere SHALL be given the same treatment as though it is granted by the parent university in Australia or New Zealand.
9. Mature Student Entry
IN LIMITED CASES, mature students may be admitted to pursue a law degree. Such students :
9.1 shall have a minimum of 3 credits passes at SPM level or its equivalent, AND
9.2 shall possess a minimum of 5 years of proven working experience in the related field, AND
9.3 must be declared as suitable and proficient to follow the law programme by a special panel comprising of officials of the admitting university in concurrence with the Qualifying Board.
10. Transitional
Rules 1 to 9 above shall NOT apply to a candidate who has joined any of the universities listed in Part Twofor the law degree programme before 1 May 1999.
PART TWO
Qualifying Degrees
The Qualifying Board hereby declares that effective 1 May 1999, only the universities and their respective law degrees as listed below are recognised as qualifying degrees enabling the holders of the law degrees to sit for the CLP examination for purposes of Part One of these Guidelines and with the view of admission to the Bar in Malaysia:
Australia
1. Australian National University - LL.B.
2. University of Sydney - LL.B.
3. University of Adelaide - LL.B.
4. Monash University - LL.B.
5. University of Melbourne - LL.B.
6. University of Western Australia - LL.B.
7. Macquaire University - LL.B.
8. University of New South Wales - LL.B.
9. University of Queensland - LL.B.
10. University of Tasmania - LL.B.
11. University of Technology, Sydney - LL.B.
12. Bond University, Queensland - LL.B.
13. Murdoch University - LL.B.
14. Queensland University of Technology - LL.B.
New Zealand
1. University of Auckland - LL.B.
2. University of Canterbury - LL.B.
3. Victoria University of Wellington - LL.B.
4. University of Otago - LL.B.
5. University of Waikato - LL.B.
The above list shall be reviewed from time to time and the Qualifying Board may add to or vary the list if it considers necessary to do so. Fresh applications for recognition may also be considered by the Qualifying Board from universities not included in the list.
These Guidelines were issued by the Qualifying Board on 30 April 1998.
QUOTE(kikopi @ Mar 3 2009, 11:34 PM)
SAM program is similar to A Levels, its a pre U program. I assume ur planning to take up an Australian law degree.
The Legal Qualifying Board does recognize Aus degrees and yes, you may sit for the CLP exams once u graduate or alternatively you may opt for the Practical Legal Training course in Aus and work there or in East Malaysia. West Malaysia does not recognise the PLT and ud still have to do CLP
as long as it's an A LVL equivalent that gets u admitted to the LLB course, u can sit for the CLP.
+SPM BM min credit
SAM is accepted by most unis worldwide.
QUOTE(Txi @ Oct 23 2009, 09:49 PM)
there's too many lawyers in the field
not all lawyers specialise in the same fields. it doesn't mean when there's a lot of them, there's too many.
it may look like there're too many lawyers, but most of them are overworked and simply too much work to go around lor.
QUOTE(flight @ Jul 1 2010, 04:03 AM)
dont join the legal profession if u want to work in Malaysia.
That is my advice, I know a 50+ year old lawyer, work really hard, own office own company. Barely making ends meet, one consultant opened a law firm, quite an average sized one. Each month barely even making RM5k.
My cousin graduated from England come back to Malaysia to work, working in one of the cmopanies based in Midvalley, they pay him RM1,200 per month.
I can get RM1000 per month working part time. Really vomit blood. The prospects is not good, unless u are truly exceptional. Or u can tie to someone who does a lot of real estate and u can do all the documentation for them. Otherwise this is really not a good field to go into.
hahahahahaa. i don't think he's a good lawyer.
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