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jchong
post Apr 7 2008, 05:00 PM

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Some additional input:

When you graduate from law school, you're a law graduate. If you want to become a lawyer, then you have to pass CLP, do your chambering and finally get called to the Bar. At this stage you're admitted as an Advocate & Solicitor. If you want to then practice as a lawyer, you have to work for a firm or open your own firm and get your practising certificate.

Some people quit practice after a few years and go "in house" meaning work as a legal advisor in a corporate entity. This means you do not renew your practising certificate and cannot practice law. However, your name will still be on the Bar roll and in future if you decide to practise again just apply for the practising cert.

Some law graduates don't get or don't want to become Advocates & Solicitors. Example: want to go straight into in house job (don't intend to practice). Or didn't pass CLP and don't want to try again.

But my advice is definitely aim to be admitted to the Bar. Gives you more opportunities and more marketable. Once you're admitted, to practice or not is up to you. Also, some ads for in house positions prefer to have a person admitted to the Bar.
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post Apr 7 2008, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(GrIM @ Mar 31 2008, 12:00 AM)
I am currently a bvc student and had done several attachments in law firms in kl. My advise would be to do an attachment for a month or so while in the 2nd or 3 year of your law degree solely to experience the daily routines of a lawyer and what do they exactly do, which isnt exactly glamorous.
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Good advice. Apart from the points mentioned above, another of the key benefits of doing attachments is so the firm remembers you when you're ready to do chambering.

With the competitive job market and so many law graduates coming out, getting chambering positions (esp at top firms) is not easy. However, if you have done attachment there (and you did perform ok) then very likely you will get a place for chambering. Why is it easier to get attachment position rather than chambering? Simply because in many firms attachment students don't get paid (at least during my time, maybe it is differnet now). The firm considers it is doing you a favour by giving you some exposure and your labour is free. Of course during attachment you will be given menial jobs. But even so, if you pay attention there is a lot that can be picked up.

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post Apr 7 2008, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Mar 31 2008, 01:26 AM)
Let me start by introducing my line of work again, I am actually an Investment Banking Officer under the compliance dept but under legal.

downside:
There are tonnes of paper work involve, follow ups, human emotions to control and also to ensure that company rules and on top of that exchange requirements are complied with. The last part is probably the hardest to initiate, non-compliance would result in an audit query which would get very ugly.

upside:
One of the most feared dept and of course hated as well, anyone in Compliance practically rain supreme if you know where your footing is. The unique structure of compliance dept is such that we are answerable to the BOD instead of the Executive Dir of the company. We r called the middle office, we can walk between two worlds i.e. Front and Back Office... there is a a principle called chinese wall that seperates this two depts, because of conflict of interests. So the boss basically gives you free hand and independence to conduct your affair, implement programs and fast track to a senior position in the company as well.

I am still doing my CLp at the moment to add on to my batch of academic thropies along the way, but its by no means easy.

It's not as glamarous as being a practicing lawyer but the extra 2 pennies i earn from this job... lol ... I'm quite content. hehe
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Good thing about compliance work, all PLCs need it. And if you're seriously thinking of moving ahead in the compliance line, later step out and work in the regulator of your industry, e.g. Bank Negara or Securities Commission. Then go back into compliance or even corporate affairs, you'll be very much in demand then.
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post Apr 7 2008, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 7 2008, 06:41 PM)
For everyone's Info...

Btw, its long hours; loads of patience; tempers flaring & guns blazing; this job survives on paper work (how good is your paper working skills depends on how you escape the auditor) and turnover for this position is estimated to be one to two years max.

Compliance Officers are divided in to the following:
1. General CO (does everything under the sun - normally smaller brokers)
2. Risk Management CO
3. Legal & Compliance CO

Job increment is accelerated pace (due to shortage/high turnover) and expect to learn alot about the market in a very short time span, because your boss will always be testing all kinds of rubbish on you (so better have all those rules at your finger tips, otherwise prepared to BS your way through).

Life after Compliance Officer...

It's not merely just in the regulatory (bursa, SC, or BNM) line, having 2-3 yrs of CO experience under your belt opens many doors in the Banking Industry.
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So what's your future plans aurora97? Saw from above that you're still keen on being a practising lawyer. Going into corporate law I presume?
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post Apr 7 2008, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 7 2008, 10:06 PM)
yeap... Corporate i guess, but i will start with the basic brush up on litigation first and abit of conveyancing.

how long have you been in practice JChong, don't mind sharing which firm are you with and specialization...?
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Will PM you.


Added on April 7, 2008, 11:38 pm
QUOTE(avazaviera @ Apr 7 2008, 10:16 PM)
what is chambering? i can;t fully understand the term. sorry to be a burden. i just want to understand more
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The full term is "pupil in chambers", hence why people use the term "pupillage" and "chambering" interchangeably.

Also, traditionally the place of practice of a barrister is called a "chamber" (not room or office) and the office of a judge is also called a chamber.

This post has been edited by jchong: Apr 7 2008, 11:38 PM
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post Apr 7 2008, 11:49 PM

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One more thing, as a pupil you must be attached to a "master", i.e. a practising lawyer of at least 7 years experience. Your master is supposed to guide and train you, but sadly few masters actually spend that much time with the pupil (since they are also very busy). So the pupil will have to take the initiative to learn, ask questions, etc.

Somewhere in the middle of your chambering period, you will have your "short call" which entitles you to do some minor basic courtwork. At the end of the chambering period when you are finally called to the Bar, this is often known as the "long call".
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post Apr 8 2008, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 8 2008, 01:00 PM)
Don't know what u meant by Int or ext .
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If I'm not mistaken, external refers to a course taken outside the uni (i.e. conducted by a 3rd party institution) but degree issued by the uni.

Internal is when you study at the uni itself.

When you did your LLB, what is the requirement to get Honours?
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post Apr 9 2008, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 8 2008, 02:22 PM)

Added on April 8, 2008, 7:26 pm

Maybe one day... can form a small association instead of always being controlled by the BAR Counsel, higher institution of learning that monopolize the legal market or being kicked around like football by Law firms.

No one gets left out or left behind for once.
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I've not kept abreast of the legal profession in recent years. Your comment above suggests that some things are not right with the state of the legal profession now. Can elaborate? Is there a monopoly going on that makes some people left out?
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post Apr 9 2008, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Apr 9 2008, 05:23 PM)
I'm planning to have an attachment while I'm studying my degree LLB external in Brickfields. I got no problem with attachment since I will study part time and working for my dad's firm. But, how am I going to convince to my dad that this is what I want , to get ahead and gain more experience in the young age rather than being a 'fresh graduate'.
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What is the issue that you need to convince your dad about? If you wanna do attachment while studying and you can cope I'm sure your dad would understand and appreciate your initiative.
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post Apr 9 2008, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 9 2008, 05:31 PM)
haha... never mind friend, this topic is to help future lawyers not scare them off. Will set up another topic somewhere else, of course no profession is perfect...

anyway i was day dreaming, its just something to rant about.

Overall its fine.
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Yes, no profession is perfect. I think it is good for students or graduates to have a true and honest perspective of what they're getting into so that they know what to expect.

People always imagine lawyers to have a glamourous life (too much American TV?) but the reality can be different. In law school I had no idea what life as a lawyer was like. So to help others I've always thought of doing a lecture for final year law students about life as a lawyer (challenges/benefits) and what skills it takes to be a good one.
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post Sep 26 2008, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(babyfishi @ Aug 29 2008, 11:06 PM)
i just received my LLB final result and it is 3rd class.. i lack tat 2 mark to get a 2nd lower. which makes me disqualified all togother to take CLP.. i am fresh graduate law student... . and now i wonder wat else i can do with this result in order to find a job in a legal fields. .can i be a legal advisor stil? can anywan advise me on this, please? sad.gif
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You might still be able to work as an in-house lawyer for a company. Look at the recruitment ads and see what qualifications they need.

Alternatively, work as a paralegal. Example: look for IP firms who want and willing to train you as a trade mark paralegal.
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post Jul 8 2009, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(heroes of earth @ Jun 11 2009, 11:02 AM)
it seems like he heard of rumours saying that becoming a lawyer doesn't earn so much nowdays . is that true ? i mean after around 10 years experience the salary still remains around 4 to 5k?
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I doubt that is correct. If you work in an established med-big size firm, you can reach the 4k salary mark in your 4th or 5th year. If you perform well in 10 years can be a junior partner (non-equity) already.
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post Jul 4 2010, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(flight @ Jul 1 2010, 04:03 AM)
dont join the legal profession if u want to work in Malaysia.

That is my advice, I know a 50+ year old lawyer, work really hard, own office own company. Barely making ends meet, one consultant opened a law firm, quite an average sized one. Each month barely even making RM5k.
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And I know a few legal firm partners who earn over 1 million a year. Like anything, there will be success stories and not-so-successful stories. Just because you know some people who didn't make it big in the legal profession doesn't mean it cannot be done.
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post Jul 6 2010, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(lexiqa @ Jul 6 2010, 02:49 AM)
exactly. jchong, u hit the nail in the head.

i srsly don't understand the logic behind discouraging ppl from doing what they want simply from a few stories they heard from their friends how sthg is impossible to do. just bcoz a few had failed doesn't mean it will be the same for everyone. i don't believe that ppl will not succeed one day when they put in hard work and dedication and passion into their jobs or even a hobby.

everyone shld pursue their own path as they see fit. forget about how much one can earn, esply. think about ur career progressions and what do u want to gain from this lifetime with this career/degree. money is a bonus when u pursue sthg passionately. thumbup.gif
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Agreed.

 

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