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 Etiqa Or Prudential BSN (Takaful), Which is better in term of benefits?

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chianpy
post Oct 6 2009, 05:37 PM

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Smart advice for all potential Medical Card/Investment Link plan buyer. Always compare all insurance charges charged by every different company, GE, AIA, Prudential, .......... Every company charge differently. In long run, the insurance charges are going to eat all your hard earn money. Of course the renewability of the medical card is also top priority.

Second advice for Investment link plan buyer, always go for an agent with good investment knowledge ( unit trust ). As the name of the product is
' Investment link plan ' the key foremost important thing is investment then only protection. Many insurance agents knows nuts about investment and only want $$comission and career promotion. They don't care whether your investment are on the right track of making money or not.
Poor investment knowledge will burn your hard earn money through heavy insurance charges. Soon you may need to top up your policy premium.

Stay alert and make your own study. You will know what I'm talking about.
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post Nov 6 2009, 12:31 PM

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Go to Government Hospital. No need any crap plans. The one gain the most is the private hospital. All this is western capitalization.

And the best insurance for you is, you taking care of your self. No smoking, no eating oily food, regular exercise.


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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jul 29 2009, 08:37 AM)
nuzul,

i think you made some important points but i want to add some things:

"1. don't look at the lifetime limit, look for annual limit. no matter if ur lifetime limit is 600k, but ur annual limit is just 20k, it didn't enough. even a "bisol" could cost almost 5k.."

== always look for the lifetime limit! if you only get 3x annual limit for life this is NOT the plan for long term insurance. you slowly eat your allowance while paying the premium. then when its eaten up, its hard or next to impossible to find new insurer. ALWAYS choose a plan with a very high annual and a much much higher lifeltime limit if you must. even better: no lifetime limit. i personally would never rely only on a plan with lifeltime limit.

500k annual limit does not cost you a fortune if you choose a standalone policy.

"2. look the medical card plan carefully, is it hv any other limit besides the annual limit? even if u hv an annual limit of 60k, but there's limit on operation of 36k, limit on dialysis of 30k, it also didn't enough. one dialysis cost RM500 & need to do at least 2 times a week. u do the math urself."

== yes, sublimits are bad. avoid them by all means. for dialysis and other outpatient benefits its impossible to avoid them in one way or the other. this is why you sometimes need a second medical card to cover for just those things in order to make optimal decisions.

"3. ask the agent whether the medical card need to be renew or not? some medical card need to be renew early or maybe 5 year. u think for urself, if somedays, maybe after 5-6 years of renewing, u get an illness that cost about 50k. do you think the insurance company would let u renew? if u can renew, the previous illness will be excluded from ur benefits."

== as far as i know all standalone medical cards are yearly renewable. just make sure that its renewable at the option of the policy holder without loading or exclusions. then you are good. other policies are - sorry to say so - not insurances at all. they are money making shemes for the insurance companies.

"4. every time u want to renew the medical card, the price won't be the same again."

== absolutely true. allocate a budget that covers the average costs of a lifetime and save the difference to reduce burden in the future.

"5. every medical card that need to be renew are term insurance & hv burn money policy."

== medical cards are not burning money if chosen properly. actually the very principle of insurance implies that you pay premium and if you are lucky nothing happens to you you dont get any money. anything else is NOT an insurance. stay away from anything but an actual insurance for H&S since you only pay more that way. it doesnt work in your benefit.
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I just want to add. Both annual limit and lifetime limit is very important. Try to gain as high as possible.

So far I know in Prudential and PruBSN, you have an option to have annual limit waiver. Meaning, you can pay your hospital bill regardless any amount as long as it is within your lifetime limit between RM0.5 million and RM1.5 million. This apply to both conventional Prudential and PruBSN Takaful Medical Card.

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ibm632
post Mar 14 2010, 09:50 PM

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1st of all u you need info regarding Prudential BSN Takaful to www.prubsn.my.

Utk comparison PruBSN Takaful dengan Etiqa tu susah sikit..... sebab ada pro and cont nyer.

Tapi point yg biasa saya ckp kat client ... ejen Etiqa sendiri subscribe Medikal kad PruBSN dengan saya.
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post Mar 15 2010, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(ibm632 @ Mar 14 2010, 09:50 PM)
1st of all u you need info regarding Prudential BSN Takaful to www.prubsn.my.

Utk comparison PruBSN Takaful dengan Etiqa tu susah sikit..... sebab ada pro and cont nyer.

Tapi point yg biasa saya ckp kat client ... ejen Etiqa sendiri subscribe Medikal kad PruBSN dengan saya.
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Added on March 15, 2010, 12:24 pm
QUOTE(tydell @ Nov 6 2009, 12:31 PM)
Go to Government Hospital. No need any crap plans. The one gain the most is the private hospital. All this is western capitalization.

And the best insurance for you is, you taking care of your self. No smoking, no eating oily food, regular exercise.
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Dude, tell me that when you see your wife struggling 2 hours after giving birth to go to the toilet with blood dripping on the floor. That was when I swore I will get the best treatment available for my family.

This post has been edited by mfitri77: Mar 15 2010, 12:24 PM
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post Mar 15 2010, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 15 2010, 12:21 PM)
Wah, Brahim.. Sifu here already ah...

Baru singgah sini kejap... tengok macam ok jugak kat sini .. mana tahu boleh singgah bagi pendapat.

redruby
post May 23 2010, 11:59 AM

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thankyou

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post May 24 2010, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(redruby @ May 23 2010, 11:59 AM)
hi there ,

i ada question , kalau la i amik plan prudential bsn takaful ni skarang , RM 300 sebulan le katakan , adakah premium i akan meningkat bila i meningkat umur, Saya diterangkan yang premium saya takkan naik even bile saya tua sebab cash value boleh cover , tapi anda kata return of interest 0 or negative maybe sebab keadaaan ekonomi yang teruk ke dan cash value mmg tak cukup , adakah saya kene tambah premium bulanan saya , dan soalannye berapa?

saye cuma nak makesure bile saye dah bersara ,tiba tiba premium bertambah dan i tak mampu nak baya premium.

sesiapa kat sini ada jawapannye tak

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Jawapan yang saya dah dengar :

Cash value boleh cover ( saya tau kalau andai kata cash value tak boleh cover ? berapa saya kene baya extra untuk premium)
Bende ni tak pernah terjadi (Bende tak pernah terjadi  , tapi kemungkinan terjadi tetap ada , sebab dikemudian hari apa yang kita sign kat policy yang matter)

Saya harap ada agent yang boleh jawap soalan saya , thanks
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Zam,

Sepertimana yang anda sudah pun tahu, premium tidak dijamin and isu top up tidak boleh di ketepikan.

Dalam scenario dimana cash value tidak mencukupi, anda akan disuruh top up supaya bayaran cukup untuk insuran caj (boleh rujuk kepada plan anda daripada agen).

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is that etiqa is totaly guarantee return ? legal or what ?
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QUOTE(abbychan87 @ May 24 2010, 01:58 PM)
is that etiqa is totaly guarantee return ? legal or what ?
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Returns should be a secondary focus when purchasing insurance as the main thing is to ensure adequate protection. Returns on ILP products is not completely guaranteed as mentioned. Projections are legal in the sense it's based on BNM new guidelines.

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post May 29 2010, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Mar 28 2008, 02:36 AM)
Hi,

I'm in dilemma to choose which company give the best medical card(in term of coverage), death benefits, 36 critical illness and etc.

Please share your experience to help me decide which one i should enroll.

What i heard from the agent is Etiqa require you to pay 10% or max 3K of your hospital expenses, but not for Prudential as they cover 100%.

Etiqa got 50K max claim(in one year) that u claim from their medical card, but i dont heard any restriction from Prudential BSN.

Etiqa have good saving scheme where they have death claim, accident claim and etc. But not from Prudential.

Please help to clear my doubt.

Thanks in advance
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i am not sure about Etiqa but with PBT you definitely will be properly covered in term of death and TPD benefit , critical illness and personal accident.Takafullink Also offer good investment scheme and you can attach together medical card with the plan.PBT medical card , you are required to pay 10% of your total medical bill ( Min RM 300 and Max RM 1000).However this can be covered with PRUmed benefits (Surgery , ICU and ward confinement allowance).PBT medical card also has annual and lifetime limits. It ranges from 50,000 -150,000 for annual limits and 500,000 to 1.5 mils for lifetime limits.

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QUOTE(kydfais @ Oct 6 2009, 02:22 AM)
Hi,
i'm a mom with 2 kids n my husband is self-employed, so we dont hav any medical cover or support. i'm searching for the best insurance plan for my family. i been thru this tread but still in bushes. cant understand most of the insurance term.
can any of u especially an agent assist me.  serious in meeting any agent from ING, GE, allianz or prudential. i'm from ampang
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Hi KYdfais,

i have just read your post and if there is anyone who has attended to your enquiries yet, please feel free to drop me your details at rayyanworks(at)gmail(dot)com so we can schedule for an appointment. By the way my name is Rayyan Harris and i'm a wealth planner with Prudential.
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post Jan 10 2011, 01:34 PM

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hi, I already subscribe Pridential BSN Takaful (Takaful MediAssist) since Feb 2007, how much max I can with draw? have NCB ? FYI, my monthly commitment is RM150 and I tak pernah masuk hospital.
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check with ur agent
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 10 2011, 07:25 PM)
check with ur agent
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So far I know in Prudential and PruBSN, you have an option to have annual limit waiver. Meaning, you can pay your hospital bill regardless any amount as long as it is within your lifetime limit between RM0.5 million and RM1.5 million. This apply to both conventional Prudential and PruBSN Takaful Medical Card.

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post Feb 11 2011, 04:33 AM

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QUOTE(jamgu @ Feb 11 2011, 12:30 AM)
So far I know in Prudential and PruBSN, you have an option to have annual limit waiver. Meaning, you can pay your hospital bill regardless any amount as long as it is within your lifetime limit between RM0.5 million and RM1.5 million. This apply to both conventional Prudential and PruBSN Takaful Medical Card.

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to be fair....annual limit 50k,lifetime limit 500k.

if total cost is Rm100k...how much you need to pay for co-insurance/co-takaful?

Am i right with calculatio below for total cost of Rm100k...?

first Rm50k [annual limit],customer need to pay min rm300 and max Rm1k/2k
the next Rm50k [with annual limit waiver],customer need to pay 10%,which is Rm5k...

so total customer need to fork out is Rm6k/7k....

this annual limit waiver is a little bit tricky in respect of fixed 10% co-insurance/co-takaful,so a good Pru agent will explain this fine details to you,if the agent does not explain this,find another agent.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Mar 28 2008, 02:36 AM)
Hi,

I'm in dilemma to choose which company give the best medical card(in term of coverage), death benefits, 36 critical illness and etc.

Please share your experience to help me decide which one i should enroll.

What i heard from the agent is Etiqa require you to pay 10% or max 3K of your hospital expenses, but not for Prudential as they cover 100%.

Etiqa got 50K max claim(in one year) that u claim from their medical card, but i dont heard any restriction from Prudential BSN.

Etiqa have good saving scheme where they have death claim, accident claim and etc. But not from Prudential.

Please help to clear my doubt.

Thanks in advance
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If you are looking for good medical card , you should consider all these criterias..

1. Does the medical card has portfolio withdrawal condition
2. When you upgrade or take the room that slightly expensive than the plan , do they charge you 20% co-insurance?
3. Does the plan provides you with Allowances to cover the co-insurance?
4. Please look at the inner limit , how much are the limits for cancer treatment and kidney dialysis?
5. Claim reputation ( How easy to do claim)
6. How the investment funds perform?
7. The medical card must be guarantee renewal.
8. Does the plan rewards you with incentive when you dont claim?
9. Please look at annual limit and lifetime limit. The limit must be decently enough for medical treatments.
10. Can you waive annual limit in order to use your lifetime limit anytime you want.


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If you are looking for good medical card , you should consider all these criterias..

1. Does the medical card has portfolio withdrawal condition
2. When you upgrade or take the room that slightly expensive than the plan , do they charge you 20% co-insurance?
3. Does the plan provides you with Allowances to cover the co-insurance?
4. Please look at the inner limit , how much are the limits for cancer treatment and kidney dialysis?
5. Claim reputation ( How easy to do claim)
6. How the investment funds perform?
7. The medical card must be guarantee renewal.
8. Does the plan rewards you with incentive when you dont claim?
9. Please look at annual limit and lifetime limit. The limit must be decently enough for medical treatments.
10. Can you waive annual limit in order to use your lifetime limit anytime you want.

Good advice... smile.gif

But, first step is consult your self first then get the consultation for which is the BEST plan / best medical card plan for you.

Thank you...

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Mar 28 2008, 02:36 AM)
Hi,

I'm in dilemma to choose which company give the best medical card(in term of coverage), death benefits, 36 critical illness and etc.

Please share your experience to help me decide which one i should enroll.

What i heard from the agent is Etiqa require you to pay 10% or max 3K of your hospital expenses, but not for Prudential as they cover 100%.

Etiqa got 50K max claim(in one year) that u claim from their medical card, but i dont heard any restriction from Prudential BSN.

Etiqa have good saving scheme where they have death claim, accident claim and etc. But not from Prudential.

Please help to clear my doubt.

Thanks in advance
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I will pick PruHealth from Prudential..

But since your dilemma does not include Prudential, i would prefer PruBSN... ^^


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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Nov 3 2011, 07:58 PM)
I will pick PruHealth from Prudential..

But since your dilemma does not include Prudential, i would prefer PruBSN... ^^
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just to share my experience with Allianz, I have a medical policy bought in 2006 and its lifetime limit is only 3 times its annual limit (annual limit is 50,000 and lifetime is 150,000). In 2009, I received an endorsement from Allianz notifying me that my medical lifetime limit has been upgraded from 150,000 to 500,000 WITHOUT additional premium or cost! Wow, this really a good practice and and thanks Allianz for this treat. My wife policy from Prudential was not that lucky. She received offer from Prudential that her annual limit will increase BUT the lifetime limit stays at 3 times annual limit. And to only increase her annual limit, she has to sign an acceptance letter cause the offer comes with an INCREASE in PREMIUM! Now she has changed her policy to Allianz:)

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