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post Sep 7 2008, 12:15 AM

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nope... H1 ROM is not available for public.... yet...
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post Sep 7 2008, 06:56 PM

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nope. not true. HH1 ROM is for WM6.0. BUT....
if u install the XDA Developer HH1 ROM by EFN, he has included it in WM6.1. nevetherless, this ROM is not stable under WM6.1. eg. the GPS won't work for HH1 under WM6.1.
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post Sep 8 2008, 04:56 PM

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Apparently, the HH1 ROM is officially distributed in Singapore...
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post Oct 5 2008, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Oct 5 2008, 05:06 PM)
im aiming for this i780. but dunno if it's really a good and worth to buy as a pda. read a lot of reviews, playtest it at pda expert, but have not decided whether to buy it or not. can somebody enlighten meeee plz. hehe

Does this phone capable and really excel in reminding me of meetings, tasks, syncro with my Microsoft outlook email, calendaring, memos, etc???

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Hv u tried Nokia E71? For almost the same price, I would prefer E71. The only winning point to get i780 is the touch-screen interface which is easier to navigate around rather than pokking the D-pad conventionally.
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post Oct 9 2008, 09:09 PM

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just go to the Maxis Customer Service Centre to do the setting.
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post Oct 12 2008, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(okk @ Oct 12 2008, 09:40 AM)
I have a few questions on Samsung i780. Hope members here can help to answer.
1. What is the price now and what is included in the package?
2. I heard that we need to edit registry to increase the speakers volume. Anybody have the link to show how to do this?
3. Any problems with the GPS and does the GPS work without A-GPS assistance (means pure GPS only)?
4. How's the handwriting recognition? Easy to use?
5. If I wan to type sms or a note, can I switch use handwriting and keyboard concurrently or I can only choose one input method at a time?

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1. RM1699 is the cheapest having 2 batteries, 4GB microSDHC card, screen protector plus standard accessories. If you get a price the same but without the first three 'bonus' pack (i.e batteries, card & SP), then you better survey some more.
2. It's not registry. It's called Mirage Control Utility. At the standby screen, simply key in *#0002*28346#. More info : http://i780.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/i780-volume-tweaks/
3. The GPS works flawlessly with Garmin MXT and iGO8. As for MapKing, you have to install PortSplitter in order for MapKing to operate properly. The A-GPS will accelerate the satellite locking from 5 minutes to less than 30 seconds. But A-GPS will use the data connection (GPRS/3G) in order to locate your position in immediate manner. You can set A-GPS to update by hours session or completely turn it off.
4. Handwriting recognition (ie Transcriber) is very user friendly. You can control how the unit recognises each characters (i.e A to Z plus numbers) as well as the speed of recognition.
5. You can switch as many times as you wish. But i780 has no T9 virtual keyboard. So, it's only virtual QWERTY keyboard, or transcriber or hard QWERTY keyboard.

If you're asking for battery life, it's fair I would say. Since Samsung is generous enuff to provide 2 batteries, i780 can survive on average 1.5 day/battery if you use all the functions in less than 15 minutes each. The applications/features that will suck the battery vigoriously are GPS and WiFi.


Added on October 12, 2008, 10:33 am
QUOTE(okk @ Oct 12 2008, 09:40 AM)
6. What is the resolution and fps of the video recoding?

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Resolution : 320x240 or 176x144
FPS : ??? 15 maybe?

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post Oct 12 2008, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 11:55 AM)
u cant use it unless calling your operator and enabling it.
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If you are under Celcom, GPRS/3G service is automatically activated even though you did not sign-up for their 3G service. This is because, the 3G SIM card has ben 3G-enabled. But to 'skip' the auto-activated of this 3G service, you just delete the APN configuration in i780. Therefore, whenever i780 try to use the 3G service, it will not connect to it because you have deleted the APN configuration.

There is also an application called "NoData" and similar that will totally stop i780 from launching the data connection. This is a lot safer. And it's free.

One thing you should know about i780 is whenever you successfully connected to 3G service, it will not auto-disconnect if idle. Therefore, running 3G connection constantly will suck the battery vigorously.

For Maxis and DiGi, I don't know.


Added on October 12, 2008, 12:17 pm
QUOTE(okk @ Oct 12 2008, 11:12 AM)
Thanks for the reply!
One more question, for A-GPS, the connection to network is only made during initial lockup rite? Or is there constant download of location from the network? I am asking this because I am worried that I will be billed with heavy amount of GPRS/3G usage...
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Yes. The A-GPS is only activated to locate your position. After it has defined/downloaded the necessary data to i780, it will not download anymore data. How much data is downloaded? I don't know.

Therefore, once i780 has locked the satellite, no data is being downloaded anymore. But still, i780 will constantly connected to 3G without disconnecting it. This 'bugs' is coming from either i780 or Windows Mobile platform itself. But, in Symbian OS, the 3G connection will be auto-disconnected once it's idle for a few seconds. This is one factor why Symbian is more user-friendly than WM.

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post Oct 12 2008, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 12:36 PM)
Are u sure it incurs charges? i've been using windows mobile with AGPS all the while, but it doesnt use it, just normal GPS, no data charges. as far as i know what u described is how nokia works. not windows mobile.

samsung i780 may be different, i dun know, please clarify
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A-GPS is separated application in i780. It is called Enhanced GPS. i780 will only use A-GPS if we launch the Enhanced GPS application. But if we set it to auto download, then i780 will automatically launch AGPS and immediately download the necessary data without any warning. To activate the Enhanced GPS function, we need to click at the "XTRA Data Download" button. After that i780 will warn that charges will be incurred if proceed as shown below:
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I have used the GPS without SIM card. Of course Garmin MXT is the right client for this stunt. And i780 will take 5 minutes to lock because there is no SIM card for it to connect to A-GPS. You can try to use your GPS without SIM card and clock how long it needs to lock the satellite. My bet is that your unit will take more than 2 minutes to lock.

As for Nokia, the answer is yes and no. If we use Nokia Maps, and if we have saved the maps in the memory card, no data will be downloaded when we navigate. But, if no maps are pre-installed in the unit, 3G service will constantly download data/maps from nokia server on-the-fly. The same concept also applicable to Google Maps which constantly downloading data from Google server whenever we navigate.

I've just realised that using iGO8 as the GPS client will change your i780 clock to Hong Kong GMT. Luckily Hong Kong GMT is similar to Malaysia, i.e. GMT +8.

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post Oct 12 2008, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(okk @ Oct 12 2008, 03:15 PM)
Does that mean I need to wait for 5 minutes before I can start driving?
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Nope. You can immediately drive right after you've launched the GPS client and determined your destination. BUT, it'll take about 5 minutes to lock your position if you're driving compared to about 60 seconds if you stand still in open sky. Besides, the voice navigation won't start without locking to the satellite. Therefore, if you know where you are going (roughly...) you may start driving WHILE waiting for the unit to lock and calculate the routing for you.


Added on October 12, 2008, 3:40 pm
QUOTE(Baronic @ Oct 12 2008, 03:16 PM)
I know Enhanced GPS used data, cuz it uses the network to help determine location and increase accuracy, such that it can even be used indoors.

but we are talking about A GPS.

EGPS and AGPS are two different things
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Well, from the reading here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
"A typical A-GPS-enabled cell phone will use an internet connection to contact the assistance server. Alternatively, it may use standard non-assisted GPS, which is slower and less accurate, but does not lead to network charges for data traffic".

More : http://www.cnet.com.au/cartech/gps/0,20004...39289510,00.htm
"assisted GPS uses your mobile phone's active data connection to send the limited GPS signal it has received to an Assistance Server"

Therefore, A-GPS or Enhanced GPS are identical. It's like branding/name convention only. And, if you are using unlimited 3G service, you won't care about the data has been consumed becoz you pay flat amount every month and you don't feel the pain of data transfer. Nowadays, 3G service is a must, at least for me...

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post Oct 22 2008, 09:37 PM

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enuff of these nonsense....no point arguing...

just wondering...has anyone use the extended battery for i780 as offered here:
http://shop.eten.hu/mugen-power-3000mah-ex...lack-p-476.html

How's the performance?
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post Oct 27 2008, 07:03 AM

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Just to inform, the WM6.1 Pro for i780 is available at FMG Summit. A few MyPDACafe forumers have upgraded successfully. Good job from Samsung Mobile team for delivering the WM6.1 Pro as promised.
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post Nov 7 2008, 12:56 PM

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mrjgx,
is ur phone 2nd hand? seems alot of problems in it. my advice is to go to Samsung Service Centre and get it upgrade to latest ROM. Backup everything before proceed.
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post Jan 30 2009, 05:32 PM

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L2 ROM has only one bugs, i.e. wake-up from sleep mode will auto-connect to WiFi. The rest is working fine.
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post Feb 1 2009, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(-ahtiang- @ Feb 1 2009, 11:08 AM)
hmm... strange as i don't encounter this issue on my phone running the L2 ROM...  blink.gif
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It happens once in a while...randomly...

Anyways...I've been testing the cooked ROM created by Mascian.... It's tip-top so far...refer to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=476029

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post Feb 8 2009, 11:30 PM

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The latest modded ROM is DXHL2...if u have A1... that's the very first stock ROM... but if u found it stable and reliable, don't upgrade...i believe A1 ROM got WiFi problem...


Added on February 8, 2009, 11:32 pm
QUOTE(Thrust @ Feb 7 2009, 09:52 PM)
Dear Samsung i780 users, any of you guys encountered improper display of resolution due to the i780 320x320 resolution. I ran MAPKING and image is distorted sad.gif
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Yes. Definitely MapKing is not i780 display-friendly... Furthermore, u need PortSplitter to make MapKing lock the satellite. Try Garmin MXT or iGO8.

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post Feb 9 2009, 12:04 AM

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remember ur second battery included in the box...? Use it...

The unit will consume a lot of power when in GPS mode. So, get a car charger if u use GPS...

The unit will consume a lot of power when in WiFi mode. So, use WiFi when no 3G coverage...if no 3G, cannot help...
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post Feb 10 2009, 08:33 AM

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SMS interface > Menu > MMS Options > Message Size = 295KB
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post Feb 21 2009, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(XXQQ @ Feb 20 2009, 01:14 AM)
Hi dgtel2,
I do read your posts sharing your experience at ppcsg and xda-developers besides here and I believed you are the right person to ask the following questions. I am new to ROM flashing and currently very 'itchy' to try the latest version for my i780 WM 6.0. Before that, really appreciate if you could clear some of my doubts:

1. My current version is i780DXHD1. If there is something happened half way and I want to revert back to this original ROM, is it still possible and where to find and how to do it?

2. Can I backup my whole system by using program such as sprite backup and after flashed, restore back using sprite also so that I have exactly the same settings, except the updated ROM? To reinstall everything might really frighten me off :-)

3. There are 2 methods that I am considering, first is using the upgrader.exe link posted earlier and the second one would be mascian's eXtreme 96 DPI 16 Mb Page Pool (.bin file which I have yet to figure out how to apply), with the latter being my preferred choice. Do you think this is a good choice?

4. Finally to me the most important programs are Pocket Informant 8 and Garmin. (Thanks to the helpful ppl here). If the answer for my second question is not possible, is there any easy way out to keep these 2 programs intact after flash?

Thank you very much in advance.
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1. "Something" happened halfway could brick ur unit. So, go update to Samsung Service Centre. One in PJ (near Avon Federal Highway). The other is in the Summit USJ. But of u're not from Klang Valley region, u need to hunt around for the authorised Samsung Service Centre. There are stock ROM available in the XDA Dev forum. You need to hunt them. Once you have succesfully upgraded to newer ROM, you will not be able to revert back to olf ROM unless u have the ROM and Mirage Updater in your hands. I even face a problem with cooked ROM, and I can always revert back to official ROM without negative effects to my unit. So do at your own risk. I really recommend you to go to authorised Samsung Service Centre for ROM upgrading.

2. Once flashed, you will loose everything. Sprite Backup may not 100% recover your settings and applications, thus, making ur unit unstable. I always reinstall all my fav. apps. all over again.

3. I would suggest u try the official .exe upgrader (DXHL2 ROM). Personally, I hate the 96DPI ROM. It makes the fonts smaller and not touch finger-friendly. 96DPI adopting RealVGA app which tends to make ur unit become unstable (after some time) and incompatible with certain software.

4. Nope. Any settings or software will be deleted after flashed. Even if u install Garmin in the SD Card location, u will still need to create the link manually to ensure launching from start menu.

I am getting addicted flashing my unit regularly. Some of the cooked ROM is reliable and some are not. It's kind of my hobby now to hunt for the best ROM for i780 (ASEAN version). Of course I always keep my stock ROM in case anything happen to it. So, flash at your own risk. If you have backup handset, flashing is fun. Anything happen, dump ur SIM to backup phone.
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post Feb 27 2009, 01:25 PM

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After more than a month leaked L2 ROM, now only Samsung officially open it to the public (Singapore/ASEAN units)... what a bozo....

http://www.samsungmobile.com/support/i780/index.jsp

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post Feb 27 2009, 10:24 PM

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yes. i've flashed to this L2 ROM long-long-time-agoooo..... some of XDA forumer even testing WM6.5 for i780 secretly...

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