UiTM is it only for bumiputera(100%) ? Or it is majority of bumiputera and still hv little others races of ppl ?

someone in a ruling political party who is in charge of higher education has already said that no non-malay will be allowed into uitm, over his dead body........so what do you think?

still got chinese and indian. whr u get that idea from?

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Added on March 17, 2008, 9:55 pmobviously you never been to uitm before.

This post has been edited by benQue: Mar 17 2008, 09:55 PM

sabahan and sarawakian also non-malay.......but they r accepeted there.......

got quota la..... i think more than 90% for bumiputra..

UiTM is for bumi only as far as i know...

but for master or phd student i'm not sure...

only MRSM got non-bumi

i am just quoting someone........you can go google the whole speech......

the borneo bumis are accepted, on sufferance.......go ask the few that are admitted.........

sabahan and sarawakian are considered bumiputra

in the peninsula, bumi is taken to mean malay........the borneo natives are an after thought.......facts of life........if you know any borneo native, go ask how they feel.......

owh i see. sorry. only got a2 for sejarah.

WTH? You donno how to differentiate btw bumiputra and malays? bumiputra means people/son of the soil. Malays are considered as bumiputra. Not all Sabahans and Sarawakians are bumiputras. Only applies for dayaks, kadazandusun and other indigenous ethnic groups!

hehe. me dont focus much on my sejarah.

ya..UiTM is built for bumiputera ONLY ..

I'm a graduate from UiTM and FYI, I never stumble upon chinese n indians there...

our sejarah didn't focus much at west malaysia bumiputra ...only mentioned about how Malays obtain hak peribumi from british and how Jos Soli deal

you have?...... see someone's post below........who graduated from there..

do u think uitm is as small as tarc?
do u know how many faculty they have here?

so called allowed 10 percent non bumis inside... but non of the non-bumis want to enter or allowed to enter...

the ironic thing is.... some of their lecturers are non bumi...

local chinese indians are not allowed for their post grad... yet foreigners from middleast, east europe, pakistan are allowed to study there at the expense of our parent's tax $$$

NEP... msia boleh... and if u see the amount if sinful $$ the gov pump there.... u will bang ur head

So it is a certificate factory designed for the bumi?

it's funny bcoz since its inception in the late 70s, UiTM (or ITM as it was known then) was specifically catered for bumiputera only. the reason was the government wanted to open more and more places in other universities to non-bumi, which we now have about 50-50. i believe this number will eventually be open without any quotas whatsoever, and UiTM is the fall back for the bumiputeras incase the non-bumis dominate all universities.

so what's the fuss all about?

and the 100% bumiputera quota is for undergraduate only. they have a number of non-bumi post graduate students, as well as teaching staffs.

Forget about this type of discriminating universities!
This is the result of people who vote for MCA/Gerakan/MIC/Supp-BN! They voted to be marginalised! Malaysia boleh!

UiTM is onlt for Islamic....
My counselling teacher ask us not to choose UiTM coz it will only wasting the choice only...

and you don't think there is anything wrong with this?

tells a lot.......

why must segregate? being like south africa? 50-50? lol... i dont think so...

so u mean uitm is malay's hideout? come on... no point all gathering there, come out and compete and only by doing so you will be better... when you come out to work you will not only be competing with local non-bumis but also foreigners... too much incest is no good

yeaps... and the no. of non-bumis for post grads are foreigners... not local non-bumis... and i wonder why they want non-bumis academic staff?

he favors certain policies 'NEP'

everyone's paranoid of everybody else. its so sad.

eh........who's being paranoid?.......we are discussing facts, no?......

no. what i mean is, why the fuss now?

bcoz somebody just knew about it? where have u been the past 30 years?

do know that i'm not too fond of this sort of universities. even UIAM has no requirements over race, language or religion, and it still gets by. UiTM have only recently opened up their courses for external examination. can u imagine a university that had almost no external examination in their courses for 20++ years?

not fuzz now, just happens someone made a direct inquiry.....and as demonstrated by the responses, MANY people did not know about the racist policy, although i have made reference to uitm's monoethnic nature many times in the past....

a question like this would have raised the irk of certain people in the past......only lately has the political climate changed, and things like this openly discussed without one being accused of being a something chauvinist......

and it is an open secret where the majority of the 80k unemployed graduates came from....

I'm so pist now!!!!when i was applying for IPTA courses i thought at least those non-malays(like me) were bit so lucky to "at least" have a chance to apply for some so-called professional courses (eg.physiotheraphy ,pharmacy ,radiology.)..forget bout those medical and dentistry which are specially offered for those "bumiputras" only in those "bumiputras " U......and i thought UITM will kindly offer places for non-malays(like me!!!)...when i checked for the application result for short listed candidates then oni i realised UITM is juz specially for BUMI!!!!!!!!dang!tat means tat non-malys can oni apply for those petty courses which is so valueless.. tat's so unfair...

were u born yesterday? EVERYBODY knows UiTM is bumiputera only university since its inception in the late 70s. are u not aware what MARA is for exactly? u should read more.

this is the same like a smoker suddenly realizing at the end of his life his lung cancer was caused by his excessive smoking, and now furious about it. go figure.

yea.. i agreed with u.. thx for ur reply anyway....but when u go for the paalication for IPTA courses u'll realise there isn't much choice for non-bumi.....for wat reason they help those BUMI and produce so many "knowledgable" BUMI's doctors..?me myself i daren't c a BUMI doctor.....

now u're just generalizing. are u saying all bumi doctors are bad?


lets just stick to the topic, shall we?

bumiputera does not only refer to malays.

lol.. u go to shah alam seksyen 18 see inside UITM INTEC.. some of my chinese friends are study there.

no lar.. dont generalize... not all bumi docs suck.. some really put their heart into it... but i would say there're those who suck and the amount is quite a lot... but other race also got sucky docs.. only that because the sucky ones get filtered our earlier on but NEP allows the sucky ones of the bumis to go on... so dont say all suck... its not fair... and its being racist this way

UITM holds no recognition by any other nation... there's no competition there, agreeable more of a degree factory... and their grads mostly end up in the gov... what's the diff when you grad from harvard and UITM when u join d gov? non... ur pay grad will be the same... so a lot of bumis prefer to go in there...

but can you blame the bumis for this? no... everyone prefers the easy way out.... only the elites dare to venture into foreign country to gain knowledge... and this applies to non bumis as well..

ntg 2 be pissed off... this is umno's tactic to get malay votes... they siphon billions of ringgit... pump a few million back into MARA n UITM to make the malays feel that UMNO is doing the right thing for them...

but the younger bumis are smarter already... eventually we have to compete with other countries... and if there's to much incest/inbreeding... we will end up losing irregardless of race.. jaguh kampung for what? reach for the stars and start kicking white's ass

i'm awfully sorry..juz now i had been too emotional....yea i actually agree that i shudn't said tat all bumi docs suckx....i apologise here.....i'm really sorry.. shud hv think properly b4 i throw in my two cents worth... i was out of control juz now..sorrry

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Added on April 11, 2008, 9:54 pmbut one thing is that since the ministry of edu decided to allow SPM leavers to apply for IPTA courses..THey shud hv treat all races fairly...all those valuable courses(eg. medical courses..dentistry ,pharmacy.physio.radio..etc) are just available for BUMI in their ISLAMIC UNIVERSITY.....i juz think tat's awfully unfair to the rest of the students.....

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Added on April 11, 2008, 9:57 pmwhile most of them who actually score well in exams are non-BUMI...I'm sure if the government give them more opportunities...I'm sure they will b vry willing to contribute to the development of the nation.. and make malaysia a better country.. then we'll proudly say "we love Mlalaysia!!!!"...

This post has been edited by tinsze: Apr 11 2008, 09:57 PM

are u saying u have no chance at all? there are unseen quotas practiced in certain faculties despite the government's meritocracy policy. it requires a university to take 50% from STPM (where majority is non bumi) and 50% from matrics (majority is bumi). so technically, u should get an even distribution of race in the intake. in cases where faculties are deliberately taking more bumi students than non-bumi, u gotta take it up to them.

UiTM is the only university that actually solely for bumiputeras. UIAM is open to all. infact, UIAM has the most international students compared to other IPTAs.

wat i'm trying to say is in the application of IPTA courses all these courses are only available in UITM and some ISLAM university which indicates no chance for NON BUMI or those who're from other religion... thx a lot for ur replies.. i felt better somehow...

to a certain political party, it does.......or you are also born yesterday?.....

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Added on April 11, 2008, 11:48 pmthat's the jpa scholars....it was originally ONLY for malays.......as before 1999, jpa scholarships were meant for malays only......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 11 2008, 11:48 PM

Y always wan to opt for local university which is not as good as foreign university and only accept bumiputera?

lots of people do NOT realise the extend of racial discrimination in msian education.....

and that is an unfair and inaccurate analogy.......smokers are doing a conscious and active act, and hence rightly stated should not be angry when they get lung cancer......the only 'mistake' people like tinsze has, is they were born to the 'wrong' parents......i think she has EVERY right as a citizen and tax payer to be indignant and upset about the blatant institutionalised racial discrimination going on here......

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Added on April 12, 2008, 12:02 am1. many people cannot afford private or overseas education...ipta is their only choice....

2. it is EVERY citizen's right, as taxpayers, to have EQUAL access to public funded education....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 12 2008, 12:04 AM

the reason why i used that analogy bcoz she actually applied for it.

i know u're aware that i'm all for equal education. but when someone applies for a course, it would help doing a little research about where he or she is applying.

she obviously was NOT aware......i don't know how the application forms are like nowadays, but i would bet it is NOT stated in the forms that certain unis are only for bumis......in fact, i believe application to uitm was NOT through upu in the past, and statistics about enrollments in ipta's did NOT take into account those going into uitm.......all part of covering up the discriminatory practices...

yes i am aware of your stand, and i salute you for that........

this is bcoz those private universities or foreign colleges is so EXPENSIVE.. a moderate family with more than one kids couldn't b able to afford the fees..let alone those who hv kids who want to study medical courses....

This post has been edited by tinsze: Apr 12 2008, 01:17 PM

[quote=limeuu,Apr 11 2008, 11:58 PM]
lots of people do NOT realise the extend of racial discrimination in msian education.....

and that is an unfair and inaccurate analogy.......smokers are doing a conscious and active act, and hence rightly stated should not be angry when they get lung cancer......the only 'mistake' people like tinsze has, is they were born to the 'wrong' parents......i think she has EVERY right as a citizen and tax payer to be indignant and upset about the blatant institutionalised racial discrimination going on here......


yes this is really unfair...but the mistake i had is not that i was born to the wrong parents or family... but it's juz that malaysian are having the wrong government policy...

no no... it is the right policy... just like what wee meng chee aka namewee said... the gov wants people of a certain race to go outside and explore the world.. and then with the knowledge gained, come back and help the coutnry... i would say part of this is right, but to come back to this god forsaken place? noo....

This post has been edited by SeLrAhC: Apr 12 2008, 01:27 PM

O ya.. do u think those not-so-fortunate ppl who actually spend their own money to go oversea or to complete their studies while they're actually qualified to get gov scholarships will b willing to contribute to the country??i dun think so.. so tell the gov to stop blaming us chinese ppl always put own benefit first b4 nation's benefit.. ask themselves wat they actually contribute to the chinese society..

why gov scholarship? if you are good enough you can apply scholarships anywhere in the world... it is your own education, so i dont think it is wrong to actually spend your own money... the gov is f_cked up, so for the mean time there's nothing you can do but rant all you want...

i voiced my feelings through voting, besides that there's nothing much you can do for the time being...

aiks.. offf topic d... fast go back 2 topic or mod will kacau

I will only say this: people who come back from studying overseas do not come back because they want to contribute to the country, no matter what the propagonda machine may say. Yes, they will be people like that, but they are the exception than the rule.

I can tell you, from experience, easily a significant majority (for people doing stats, that's Z =< 2.576) who come back to Malaysia, come back for family and personal reasons. Do you think they give a damn about the country.

Note that I have not said any thing about race. At the end of the day, we are all still humans. We have emotions, and the need for a family structure.

some posts have been deleted, pertaining to the defence of the uitm policy......and my reply......

if anyone wants to see it, pm me....

i can't repost it obviously, as the admin has deemed it censurable......although the arguments and facts are all pretty much in the public domain........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Apr 12 2008, 04:14 PM

If I am not mistaken, the requirement for admission into UiTM is,in fact, stated when you want to apply for IPTA.

This post has been edited by WNF: Apr 15 2008, 11:18 PM

erm i have my very long 2 centz in this matter....
interested you can read it here....
http://anythingunderabovenaround.blogspot.com/

resurrection.......hallelujah........

but they don't love you back.....so how?

limeuu,

Success is the best revenge.

Dreamer

wat da heck are u talking about? It's 100% bumis la
Nah, up to 25 pages of arguments, albeit it's in kopitiam (and heck i wasted so much time in it... no post count also )
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/764824

This post has been edited by MyKy44: Aug 13 2008, 01:24 AM

wasting time...

I think it's another political agenda to divert other hot issues...