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roystevenung
post Mar 18 2013, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(this_is_it @ Mar 15 2013, 02:10 PM)
From experience, most ppl insured through the famous company i.e. GE, AIA, ING, PRU, HLA, Allianz, Manulife, etc

Reason being : our friends/relatives are these companies' agent.
After we save the agent's number, normally we will just put the policy aside.

Years later, some agent come after us and say it's better to do a review. FOC, why not?
And the common feedback, the plan or medical card outdated/ not really good, better do something on it..

So, what you gonna do? Sometime can be tough decision as you know medical protection is really important.
Esp your existing agent no longer in this line, or the new agent seems very trustworthy or very pro, whatsoever

Sounds familiar huh?

Well, the main intention of this post is to guide you on how to analyse the medical card, by yourself.
Hope it helps, more or less... :-)

The comparison shall include (Priority from Top)
1) Limit for Outpatient Cancer Treatment / Kidney Dialysis  
2) Life Time Limit                                                                   
3) Co Insurance                         
4) Surcharge if exceed room and board  
5) Cost of Insurance

In next post i will explain the reason for above sequence.

The scope of coverage is actually very wide, so i just focus on what's really carry weight
Perhaps you may suggest some if you think that is also important for medical protection.
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Prudential PRUflexi Med
1. Cancer Treatment / Kidney dialysis is "As Charged". "As charged" means it is claimable up to the annual/lifetime limit. Do note that new policy contract for all insurance company for Cancer treatment & Kidney dialysis does not include "Take home drugs, Long term medication & Consultation Charges".

This is the reason why whenever an agent comes to review your old contract, you as the consumer should be wary on whether the agent is doing an upgrade (maintain on the same policy number) or give you a new plan. In short, know what you are changing!

2. With an annual limit of RM 200K, the Lifetime limit is RM 4M - do note that whenever an insurance company is giving high cover, it is putting itself at bigger risk. With bigger risk comes bigger responsibility, hence the insurance charges is higher, especially at older age.

3. PRUflexi med has the option to add in RM300 deductible or Zero Deductible. RM 300 Deductible means whenever there is an admission, the client will only need to pay RM 300 and Prudential will pay up to the annual limit/lifetime limit. If the client choose Zero Deductible, the client does not need anything.

However, do note that during admission, the client is required to pay a small deposit RM300-RM500 (depending on the hospital that you go). Upon discharge, the client can claim back the deposit minus the deductible RM300 or Zero deductible.

Of course in comparison RM 300 deductible has a higher insurance charges as compared to Zero Deductible (full claim) because in the event of a hospitalization the insurer has to fork out more.

4. Surcharge, if you stay in a higher room, you only need to pay the variance of the room. If you stay at a lower room, then Prudential will reimburse back the variance. For example if your plan is RM 300/day Room, and you stay at a RM 200/day room, Prudential will reimburse back RM 100/day.

5. Cost of insurance, need to refer to quotation :-)

In summary, there are few things you need to know when shopping for an insurance policy:-

When looking at medical card, make sure the card is guaranteed renewal.

Always remember that whenever there is something good being offered from the insurance company, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT PAYS FOR IT! Nothing is free!

For example, No Claim Bonus (NCB) - if you compare plans that pays you NCB the insurance charges will be higher as the cost of insurance is being built in to the product.

The main purpose you buy insurance is NEVER HOPE TO BE ABLE TO CLAIM FROM IT WHEN YOU ARE HEALTHY.

Questions? Please ask. Tenkiu notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by roystevenung: Mar 18 2013, 08:15 PM
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post Mar 31 2013, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Swettiejenn90 @ Mar 31 2013, 08:49 PM)
So complicated. Normally I just buy medical card with my family and friends. As I know , we buy medical card, the most important is service by agents. smile.gif
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Its all stated in the policy document. It is the agent duty to explain to the client what is in the contract.

You see when It comes to claims, it is not your best friend that pays out the claim, but rather the insurance company. Whatever that is stipulated in the contract will determine whether the claim is legitimate or will be be rejected.
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post Apr 1 2013, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(MaxWealth @ Mar 31 2013, 10:22 PM)
For the bold statement, COI for 300 deductible should be lesser right?
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post Apr 3 2013, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 2 2013, 12:12 AM)
Wait, GE medicard got problem with cashless hospital admission? Then what's the point of having a medicard? shocking.gif
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post Apr 30 2013, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Apr 29 2013, 12:25 PM)
Dear agent,

May I know eithe4 doing MRI can claim from medical card or not?
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It depends on the MRI results. Should the report found something and need to perform any surgery then yes its claimable.

If nothing is found then sorry ( but I suppose this is good news?)
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post Apr 30 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Apr 30 2013, 09:12 AM)
As I understand,  medical card will be shown at the beginning of the process. Mean, hospital will call the proposer for GL application. After GL approve, shouldn't the proposer pay the bill. If the GL  is not approve, then its different story.
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Even if the GL was being issued there is a possibility of it being revoked depending on the outcome of the diagnosis, unless it is a very clear cut case like accident.
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QUOTE(abhipraaya @ Apr 30 2013, 10:54 AM)
First Question:

Example:
for rm300/month (rm3600/year)

- Life/TPD/CI (Accelerated basic sum assured - either one) : RM150k
- Medical Card
- waiver of premium upon CI/TPD : RM3600/year

Scenario:

When CI strikes, and I make full accelerated claim of 150k from basic sum assured, then Life/TPD/CI will become zero. With waiver of premium rider, medical card will become free until the rest of my life isn't?

An agent told me that I do not need to add waiver of premium rider if I choose accelerated basic sum assured because when I make full claim, then the basic sum assured will become zero, so the waiver of premium rider is something useless which we are paying for nothing. Is this true?

My own understanding is that, once basic sum assured becomes zero, there will no longer be insurance charges for Life/TPD/CI but there will still be insurance charges for medical card. So in the the event we make full acclerated claim from basic sum due to Critical illness and basic sum assured becomes zero, the medical card will only be free for life IF we chose to add waiver of premium rider, otherwise we still have to pay for the medical card, correct? So the agent is wrong?

But, the rider is paying RM3600/year which is the charges for everything (Life/TPD/CI/Medical Card and Waiver). One altenative is to chose the waiver rider so that it pays only for the medical card charges portion. Another alternative is to let it pay the full amount RM3600/year and any additional amount will be used to purchase units in the investment and increase cash value. Am I correct?
Second Question:

Is it ok to take up a plan with projection of cash value that can cover insurance charges up to a age of only, say, 63 years old? The monthly premium for such a plan gives more coverage for less money. 63 years old is still a long way to go. Say, 20 years later, when we are more financially stable, can we then increase the monthly premium, so that the cash value can cover insurance charges longer beyond 70 years old?
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post May 16 2013, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(Roychin90 @ May 16 2013, 02:12 AM)
I am using prudential, is not so good. Cos my gf operate cant claim
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Why is it so? What was the operation all about? How long was your GF policy? Did the agent write and declare the health declaration in the proposal form?
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post Jun 19 2013, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(gladysyeo @ May 31 2013, 10:45 PM)
Great Eastern is really bad la...First time hospitalised and surgeons cringed when they knew my policy was with GE. Citing 'very bad paymaster, payment to hospital has been stuck for months etc'. Went to another hospital and saw a sign at the counter informing that GE insurance holder has to pay cash upfront. How do i switch to other insurance company?
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Sorry, you cant switch medical card per se, but you can apply for a new medical card, pass the waiting period of 4 months before deciding to cancel the other.

Mind if I ask how long has your GE medical has been in force?
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post Jun 25 2013, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(dotax @ Jun 25 2013, 04:11 PM)
Hi, I have seen this statement inside on of my GE's rider, does this means it is NOT GUARANTEE RENEWAL typed of medical policy?

What are some of the key terms and conditions that I should be aware of?
· Portfolio withdrawal condition - the Company reserves the right to cancel the SPH portfolio as a whole if it decides to discontinue underwriting this rider.


On the other hand, what statement should we look into the GE/Pru policy to determine if it is a Guarantee Renewal?

Thanks for answering my question. smile.gif
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http://www2.prudential.com.my/corp/prudent...rufleximed.html

Excerpt from PruFlexiMed Brochure:
PRUflexi med is guaranteed renewable but premium rates and/or insurance chargesare not guaranteed. We reserve the right to revise the premium rates and/or insurancecharges at policy anniversary by giving a 30-day notice if the actual claims experience is worsethan expected.
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 25 2013, 05:38 PM)
wtf only 2 private hospital in kuching covered by GE? if all hospital reject GE, then cham lo ,what for pay for 3 yrs?  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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http://www2.prudential.com.my/corp/prudent...ting/index.html

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Endownment plans are definitely not able to add in the medical.

However, since most endowment plans do give you a cash bonus at the end of the term, you may need to hold on it a little longer. When is the plan maturity period?

Insurance has and always will be for its protection values.

Even if the plan is called Investment Linked Policies it has nothing much to do with investments as its main objective is to give you protection.
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post Jun 29 2013, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(deanwong38 @ Jun 29 2013, 08:09 AM)
Before surrender please aware for the maturity period of your endowment plan, make sure you wont lose on it.
Regarding about you about you can add on medical card to your current plan , you can always refer to your agent.
There are possible to add on medical card plan on it.
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Adding a medical to an endowment plan is subjected to the basic plan term.

When the plan matures, what happens to the medical?

Futhermore he already said he has been paying the endownment plan for nearly 20 years. Who in the sane mind would buy an endowment plan that only matures age 100? shakehead.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(maggi @ Jul 4 2013, 12:03 PM)
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so means ? which 1 come 1st....  blink.gif
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See the reply by colaboy and ignore the rest. That is the proper way to get the policy replacement. The procedure is in place to protect the policy holder.

When a major claim occurs, like death or Critical Illness, the policy document is needed.

Hence keep it at a safe place and do notify the nominees where they can get it.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 7 2013, 11:50 AM)
If I wanna get a medical card with enough to get myself thru hospitalisation but not to the extent of having King's luxuries, room rate of how much should I look for?

I got a plan with 150 room rate, 20% co-insurance with NO LIMIT if upgrade room
Alternatively my agent is asking me to take 200 room rate, 20% co-in with RM3,000 limit

I don't need much Sum Assured for life, only got 1 dependent (my dad), should I RIP my net worth + EPF should be enough for him to last til his time is up.

Currently I've RM150K Sum Assured which I plan to cut down to a very minimal amount...and paying premium of RM220/month

Yes it's a GE ILP I'm having now. GE agents (or any agent) kindly advise notworthy.gif
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20% if you exceed the room eligibility? Two beded room on average nowadays costs Rm 180 unless you want to only go to Tung Shin and feel like a Banggala whistling.gif thumbup.gif

Budget per month how much bos?

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post Sep 7 2013, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 7 2013, 05:22 PM)
Apa Banggala...last year my dad admitted into Tung Shin, 4-bedded room with air con quite comfortable also.
http://www.tungshin.com.my/useful-info/room-rate/

And Gleneagles 4-bedded room only RM95.
http://gleneagleskl.com.my/services-facili...s-and-services/

Can I actually do this? Buy 150 now...then years down the road when I see that room rates have gone up, then only I upgrade my plan? It'll just require a fresh new confirmation of health status, right? unsure.gif
My ILP is AddVantage Plus, which has automatic upgrade of Sum Assured (+5% every year, after 20 years it'll be at 200% of initial SA). Probably that's the reason he suggested to pay more premium? hmm.gif

But I can always elect to reduce the Sum Assured to override the automatic increase.
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Which hospital to go is subjective bro. At times if the hospital that you go does not have the necessary equipment, the hospital will arrange for transfer.

And why la you go and compare cheap room shakehead.gif compare la ada class sikit whistling.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 7 2013, 09:16 PM)
We go hospital to cure illness, not to berasmara...buat apa nak kelas sangat doh.gif

Kecualilah ada nurse yg berbadan panas drool.gif
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If accident happen in front of KPJ and they tolak you into KPJ and their two bedded room is RM 180?
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QUOTE(umapathy @ Sep 29 2013, 12:30 PM)
Hai bro steven,

My dob is 6 nov 1974 for pruflexi med plan annual limit 100k and room and board 200 coverage until 80 yrs and life 50 k how much is mthly?

My no is 011-16492106 thanks
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post Nov 29 2013, 12:48 AM

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^ for GE you can ask ExpZero for advice.

Lets get one thing straight. You buy the cover with the insurance company and not with the agent.

The agent does not pay you the claim but the insurance company will.

I do not recommend you to cancel a 10 year plan due to its benefits maybe better than the current contract.

But it's best to leave this in the hands of a GE expert.

Should you need help with Prudential, then yes, I am the person to talk to notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(hafizhans @ Nov 29 2013, 11:06 AM)
150 room not enough eh?
my agent said 150 should be easier to get room cuz 100 always full

im using GE Takaful btw
no one using takaful one here?
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The room rates for the private hospitals can normally be found on their website.

http://www.kpjpenang.com/patients-visitors.php#rr

Having said that, IMO, the room rates is not something you should be worried at because the most you pay the difference of the room rates should you need to be admitted to a higher room (well unless there is a penalty of co-insurance if you stay at an upgraded room brows.gif).

For example if the upgraded room costs RM50 day x 10 days, the most you end up paying is RM500.

The more important should be the amount that is claimable during the hospitalization, eg if the surgery may costs RM 20K (accidents) or RM50k for a more serious heart condition. See where I am getting at?

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