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adele123
post May 15 2014, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(weirdguy @ May 15 2014, 07:13 PM)
Understand.

Well, I am not sure why I got such a feeling that Allianz, GE and Pru have overwhelmed Lowyat and others Insurance Companies hardly make any sound or active in discussion.
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i'm not a sales person... so i comment like nobody's business

A Plus Med (with option to cover your family members)

should be this one la... but it's not new la. i remember few years ago when i signed up for my mum, the option is available.

just search up 'family' in the brochure.

might be cheaper, but then, it could be just a facade...
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post May 15 2014, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Irzani @ May 13 2014, 09:12 PM)
Is there any comprehensive list of medical card provider that we can referred to? I'm wondering whether there are a standalone medical card for parents (senior citizens - 60 and 62 years old) without the need to buy any insurance?  hmm.gif
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all the insurance company provides medical card. a matter of finding the right ones though most of them offer about the same benefit, some more complex, etc. the likely problem is whether they will accept those above 60 or not. but nowadays, a lot of them do offer but of course still subject to approval.

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post May 25 2014, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(suncrescent @ May 25 2014, 12:43 PM)
Hi, I have difficulties in understanding health insurance, because of this I always biased towards not having an insurance except one that is covered by my company and a life insurance.

What I understand from my takaful life insurance is I pay a monthly charge for certain period of time.  If I die during that period, they'll pay my kin a certain amount of cash plus whatever I already paid them for the past month with addition/subtraction based on investment, age of policy etc. If I don't die after my takaful period expired, I will get back the cash that I paid for 30 years plus/minus some investment etc.

For health insurance, let say I choose an insurance with coverage until 70 years old, is that mean I have to pay the monthly fee until I am 70 years old? If my claim exceed the annual limit, I cannot claim anymore for the year. But what if my claim exceed lifetime limit? Do I still have to pay until I am 70 but now I can claim anything anymore.

Yes, you have to pay until you are 70, provided you want to cover until you are 70. the idea is like paying for gym membership. you need then you pay. you don't need then you don't pay.

If your claim exceeds lifetime limit, the medical card, poof is like cancelled. No, you don't need to pay anymore. Go back to the gym membership analogy, you have used up your gym benefits, no need to pay la.


Now let say if I don't make any claim until I am 70, then my insurance expired, all those money I paid every month will gone forever correct? Not even single cent will come back to me right?

Yes. So is your car insurance right? You also never get back any money. smile.gif

What happen if I had a road accident and then I need to be hospitalised, is this covered under health insurance or only exclusively covered by personal accidents insurance?

you will be covered under health insurance as well. doesn't just apply to getting sick.

FYI, not ALL PA insurance will cover if you are hospitalised due to accident. some PA really just pay upon death or any permanent disability. depends what sort of PA you have.


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adele123
post May 28 2014, 07:58 PM

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buy ILP + Medical equivalent to buying 2 apple at RM1.80
buy standalone equivalent to buying 1 apple at RM1.00

i bought standalone medical for my mum. Also AIA. Renewable up to age 100. because my mum doesn't need life insurance. she has no dependent anymore. i believe the same goes to your mum.

BTW, yes, it can be less than 3k for now... by the time your mum reach >70... the premium is real expensive...

AIA has standalone medical. So does other life insurance companies. But these agents like to sell you Investment-Linked + Medical... 2 in 1. but insist on the standalone if you are keen. it's available... though agents may not promote that to you.

Insurance company will tell you that it's guaranteed renewable up to age 100 or something.

Just get it asap before she turns 60.
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post May 29 2014, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(carboost @ May 29 2014, 11:50 AM)
Seem all just sales talk...

Other companies all no co-insurance. The annual all just about the same  sweat.gif

I should have apply Allianz, no co-insurance and no annual limit...  vmad.gif

Now I really frustrated....  mad.gif

How to I cancel the policy and how much can I get back?
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AIA no lifetime limit. smile.gif
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post May 29 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 29 2014, 10:02 PM)
Buy together with investment link are better, in terms of agent's profit margin. But for you, you may get something, like this year they target to make rm10 billion net profit from your money, even if they already rm9.99 billion also they will declare lost. So you won't get any return from that policy.
rm3000 per annum are wasting most of the agent's time, so is right for that AIA agent and your Etiqa friend did by not entertaining you.
BTW, medical card they are only making few % commission, so you do the maths.
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I think this guy really pissed off at insurance company

Correction:
1) Investment-Linked is like your unit trust... no declaring profit or whatsoever. the slight difference vs unit trust is insurance company doesn't declare dividend unlike unit trust company but that doesn't really matter cause if you want to cash in the profit, just sell your units la. in insurance company they call it withdrawal or something else.

2) As for the declaration of profit, that's the participating plan aka your endowment plan. you can google that... how it works... bank negara monitors as well. it is in the company's interest to declare because they 'share' it between policy holder and share holder. forgot how it works exactly.

3) medical card commission also quite alot. i don't forgot the commission scale... should be nearing if not over 100% over the 6-year period.

QUOTE(MNet @ May 29 2014, 06:13 PM)
why GE always come out with new medical card plan and at the same time withdraw the old plan from market?

why not they learn from other company? Just upgrade it not withdraw it from market
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BTW, ALL the insurance does that. not just for medical, they do the same thing for all their whatever products. their new ones also definitely an upgrade already.

the best analogy i can think of is... ipad air vs ipad 2. well... there's upgrade and there's product differentiation...

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post May 29 2014, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 29 2014, 10:18 PM)
All the insurance companies are still nego with BNM to strike off medical coverage, so sooner or later your medical card may be as light as your hair sweat.gif
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NO SUCH THING

Argh... what's wrong with you? mind telling me which agent or which company pissed you off? i'm very curious now.

I know 99% of the agents out there don't mention all the hidden clauses.

But to be fair, majority of the normal people out there are very ignorant too. and i'm not saying about understanding the hidden clause. i'm just refering to just basically understand what your insurance policy can do. i know of people, who are educated and not stupid. but they are just ignorant.

QUOTE(supersound @ May 29 2014, 10:34 PM)
Ever heard of Genneva whistling.gif
This is what GE are doing, launch new policies and dump old policies. This is another reason why I dump all insurance. Is not our money getting smaller, is the policy's value depreciate by it self every year doh.gif
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My father was down with cancer. and because we can't afford to send him to private hospital and he doesn't have medical card... so... thank god for government hospital or the semi gov like UM UKM.

If you don't want insurance? it's ok, just burden your family members.

AND NOT SUCH THING as policy value depreciate every year. unless ILP, and you didn't pay. that's another story.



 

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