To me the biggest take away from JL:
A. Are they heading in the right direction.
B. Do I want to watch another DCEU movie.
Honestly thought it's an unwatchable mess with all the backroom dramas and the track record of Snyder. But it ends up not a shitshow. Well it just good enough and not gonna blow my socks off. So basically able to walk away with the hope they can get it right the next time although maybe a long 3 to 5 years before we get to see another JL sequel.

The bummer is DCEU will not able to catch up for a very long time. They will just be second fiddle no matter what until they have a solid platform of sustainable movies that come out on schedule to compete against Marvel. Maybe the answer is in regiment change and out of all the film directors rumoured or confirmed able to come up with better movies than the era of Snyder bad filmmaking phase.

I don't believe Joss Whedon is the answer to saving DC as his style is too safe and does not push the envelope. Russo Brothers simply are better filmmakers than him. He still has that TV film director aftertaste just like JJ Abrams. Well that just me.

Lol....
The Snyder Knights Rises....
https://www.thewrap.com/zack-snyder-justice...n-director-cut/

Snyder as good as gone for DCEU. Tsujihara won't go anywhere as his other movies put WB in number 2 spot in worldwide market share while Disney currently at second spot but with Coco and EVIII for sure will put mouse house back to top spot.

Michael K.Williams who played Omar in The Wire casted as Black Manta. Patrick Wilson for Ocean Master. Man really hope they don't eff it up and make good use of these talented character actors.

Don't think of JL2 yet, if they decide to reboot with clean slate we may not even get WW2....
But a lot of it also depend on WB merger with AT&T as either they have influx of cash pumping into WB or regiment change.

Nah!!!!Local chinese releases about to dump for december so JL at best 2 more weeks in China. It's not looking good and it may reach 600 mil optimistically unless it has staying power of WW which I doubt they can recreate.

Not hard to see them rebooting it as it work out for Sony's Spiderman. Sony now in talks to acquire assets from Fox.

Bear in mind they are about to lose Batfleck which is the cornerstone of DC. If its clean slate they are no rules against recycling actors but a new setting like how fox did with some their x-universe. Of course just speculation.

Also some rumors going around the top executives impressed with what they are seeing from James Wan and he could be the next golden boy of WB.

If the AT&T merger came through the loss of JL just pocket change to WB. It's 85 Billion deal. Next year WB banking on Fantastic Beast 2, Ready Player One, Aquaman to keep them afloat. So they are not as clueless as you think they are.

The only thing that can hurt Tsujihara is blowback from Brett Ratner sexual harrasment scandal.

Nope FF boxoffice in China outpace US grossing is an anomaly and does not apply to every hollywood blockbuster being dumped there. It's no longer that era of insurance to screen movies in China like 5 years back.

Ragnorak opening just 40m plus and on third week it drop to 10m. To date it made 100m in china instead of 350m of the latest FF. JL opens better at 50m but hardly seeing it can go beyond 150m.

Statistically animated movies owned thanksgiving week but not saying JL will be dethroned from no.1 spot next week.

By end of this week or early next week EVIII aggressive marketing will all be firing up. It will drown out any momentum of JL. Unlike WW the positive news coverage just fueled its staying power and keep hitting milestone. Now any reporting of JL just the negative ones. Perception plays a big role in how you look at a brand and the market is much more larger than just fanboys and comic book geeks waging DC vs Marvel flame wars.

This is something pull out of my ass....i believe there are fun parts and lighter tones in Snyder cut. But it came at the expense of long and pandering set-ups. Meaning the team get together at a much later point in the movie which is the peak of the movie. So a delay pay-off compare to the current theatrical edit where everything are snappier although not cohesive. Without seeing it really no way to know does it give you a richer experience or not as fun as the current version.

Honestly also don't get it why they include the opening scene of mustachegate as that can be done with Lois Lane listening to a recording or watching it on a laptop to tie back to her role bringing disorienting Kal-El back to himself.

Also no way to know will they want to spend another cost to finish up the extended cut and who is supervising it.

Think Snyder right now is teaching at a film school and working on a noir indie movie in his spare time.

This post has been edited by 6so: Nov 20 2017, 02:28 PM

Let me ask you this question...you are rich and you hire an interior designer to renovate your new bungalow. Your brief is to make it white and contemporary modern. The designer came back with off white and futuristic that deviate from your brief. So do you accept as it is or you demand to make changes?

Studio interference in production is their right to do so because they finance the production. It's everywhere and proven directors like Scorsese couldn't get his passion projects realized simply because he still need fundings from Studios. David Fincher has not made a single feature film since 2014 simply because all talks broke down with big studios. Only a small handful of film directors get away with murder....Michael Bay, Christopher Nolan, Quentin Tarantino. In WB defense they gave carte blanche treatment to Nolan with no questions ask. Before Stanley Kubrick died WB bankrolled any projects he wants as long as he stay within budget. All i can say WB bet on the wrong horse to lead DCEU and they need someone like Russo Brothers instead of Zack Snyder.

A lot of prestiged film directors avoid Disney because of their strict corporate culture. If WB is so incompetent they couldn't have made IT a monster hit and JK Rowling staying at their camp. You are only focussing on the missteps but not at larger picture. If they are so dumb they couldn't have put Aquaman in December. It will kill the competition because Star Wars vacant the December slot as Han Solo screening in May.

MCU also drove away a fair numbers of collaborators
...namely Whedon, Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright, Matthew Vaughn, Ava Duvernay....just that the leaks from WB are getting ridiculous like what Fox used to be. The Star Wars camp already fired 4 film directors from their slate. So studio interference is not an unique problem only apply to WB....it's everywhere only the lucky few enjoyed complete freedom.

Oooops Coco overtook JL from neck to neck race.

As far as money concern they are not much they can do about. You win some or you lose some.

DCEU will continue no matter what, either sticking with what they have atm or soft reboot like x-universe or hard reboot like Sony. It doesn't matter what route they take and they will keep making CBM. From financial standpoint they are not disaster cause out of the 5 DCEU movies so far only 1 a dud. It's not the end of the world.

More importantly they just need to make good movies and move away from the Snyderverse and show they can be more than just that. If Aquaman delivers and WW2 hit hard then I don't see they need to worry that much. Pointless to compete with marvel for the coming 2 years as Infinity Wars will just slaughter anything coming their way with 10 years hype behind it.

This post has been edited by 6so: Nov 24 2017, 02:09 PM

From now till SDCC 2018 DCEU need to formulate what is the next step and give an outlook of 2020 as they will be competing against MCU on a more equal footing. So far Feige has yet to announce their plan and how are they tackling core actors from phase 1 who wanted to stop playing MCU characters. RDJ and Chris Evans addy expressed to quit after Avengers.4.

So won't break a sweat too much as long as they find a new Batman to jumpstart the engine that willing to go for the long haul. As far as whether it need to be shared universe or not depending on market needs. Much prefer they focus on solo movies with cameo here and there. Slowly build JL from 1.1 to 1.9 via these solo movies before heading to JL2. Avoid Darkseid altogether until Thanos hype died down.

Wishful thinking will be Miguel Sapochnik. He is behind all the important episodes of GoT. Battle of Bastards, Hardhome, Winds of Winter....More importantly he can juggle multiple character POV and great eyes for action beats.

Another wishful thinking Edgar Wright who can amped up the witty banter game but highly unlikely. Proven can handle ensemble cast.

Think initially they want to jump straight to Flashpoint to soft reboot the tone from the dour pacing of Snyder that is JL box office enough to justify fast tracking of it. Now most likely they pretend JL did not happen like how Deadpool ignored Wolverine Origin....lol

No one will touch Bryan Singer for any forseeable future project as sexual harrassment ban hammer is coming down hard. The blowback too risky especially rumored of him and Kevin Spacey fighting over young boys during their collaboration.

Think their best bet is to replace Affleck with an unknown actor or B-list actor so they are more susceptible to multi picture deals. Furthermore those superhero physique training really demanding on a person's lifestyle.

Soft reboot can mean a lot of things...shift of direction, ignoring continuity of the past, change of main actors, etc....

WB won't do much announcement after looking JL box office on a whole and also more importantly they should react to MCU phase four announcement as oppose to jump the shark and bare minimum put up a mic drop SDCC press event.

Think if Affleck decide to continue he can say bye bye to bad lifestyle for the next seven years or so considering 3 Batman Movies and JL sequel.

Furthermore he is that actor already established as a serious film director. You can tell he just can't wait to go back to do his crime/thriller movies or working on passion projects instead big paycheck.

You are comparing apples to oranges. RDJ career revival was propelled by MCU as no one willing to touch him except indie movies. CE, CH, ScarJo not exactly A-list when they signed on to MCU. Didn't all the core actors of phase one bitch about quitting at one point or another?

Affleck already a made man who came out from winning Oscar best movie and big paycheck seems like secondary consideration to him. So that's the difference of him with the other MCU actors. The same goes for Jake Gyllenhaal who are more akin to chase after Oscar bait roles. Doubt he want to lock himself down doing nothing but Batman for the long haul.

Stallone has been a muscle beefcake since forever so why bring him into the conversation? Cheadle only a supporting character meaning his commitment not too carry the entire franchise like RDJ or Affleck not counting he does a lot less filming days. Two different thing altogether.

I believe this article more than what the other sites are reporting on JL bts dramas. Still take some grain of salt with it as after all still a gossip article but thewrap still has better journalistic integrity.
https://www.thewrap.com/justice-league-zack...n-wonder-woman/

Lazy to open another thread but this looks pretty interesting.

Long live Kevin Tsujihara for fixing the ZS shitshow.