We called it testimonial my dear

I don't have personally to own these cars to show my stupidity on how well they were built.

Anyway, how often are we going to use the unnecessary features packed eg: Ultraseat , 7 speed ~ala tiptronic virtual gearbox, and considering most of the time only the driver that occupied the car, do we need large and humongous interior space to carry 5 adults every time ?

As long as the budget sits in comfortably the choice is yours. I rather get myself an MRS if I don't have the urge of having a decent bonnet and extra passenger seats at the back.

Good luck TS.

This post has been edited by igor_is300: Feb 24 2008, 01:24 PM

Same class? Based on?

You were contradicting yourself. You said "89k vs 56k", that itself proves that they are from a different class altogether.

What else? 1.5 vs 1.6? And you call that same class? Just because Proton "claims" that they are?

And your previous statement about a 9 year old Vios could carry RM20k is flawed. A 9 year old Toyota will never ever fetch RM20k. Take a look at Motor Trader and try looking for a 1999 Toyota that is worth RM20k.

Sometimes, it's better to think before you speak.

For TS, I'd say go for the Vios. I got a Proton as my first car as well and it was hell. Each 10,000km service I spent more than RM2k, with that amount, I could've been driving a BMW already.

I just bought the new Vios, and the biggest problem is, I couldn't even sell off my Proton because the price offered was so low, I could lose RM14k on cash. Hence, I'm force to keep both the cars now.

Bypass the usual Proton crap, start with a Japanese then upgrade from then on to continental or whatever. It's a blessing in disguise to not choose a Proton.

Bro, did u look into loan and interests ? 2nd hand car loan interests usually higher than new cars .. so although selling price is the same, u might end up paying more for an older car.

My personal vote for Persona

disclaimer: I have never driven the old gen Vios before, just to make clear.

I think the scenario is more to "paying more for a better car" rather than "older car".

For me, it's the quality and reliability that makes a car, not its age.

reliability deteriorates with age.

IMHO, Persona and Vios should be in same class as both priced at 50+k (before tax)

http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/3series/review.html

Yeah, and the BMW 3 series is in the same class with a Proton Waja Chancellor tool, before tax.

Exactly. What I trying to say is, the class is the same. Only they dont fight fight on a level ground due to high taxation. Without taxation, imported car will definitely win, no Proton model can fight that. But the reality is, because we lived in Malaysia, the tax 'factor' and thus pricing still applies in buying cars. What to do.

Hi, some of my opinions for your consideration:

I've owned a Persona HL for the past 2 months.
So far I've no major issues, the minor issues are:
i. some minor rattling sound from the plastic dashboard.
ii. some plastic defects which Proton has agreed to warranty and replace for me.
iii. Slightly high FC, not much of an impact to me compared to my Manual Kancil since I'm doing average mileage a month (~250km per week). If you're doing >1000km per week defintely you need a Vios or City IDSL else the petrol cost is enough to balance up the monthly loan payment.

1. How much would both cars cost you in terms of monthly payments? Check if both is within your budget, else the choice is obvious; go for what you can afford.
I'm earning >RM4K a month but with the fact that I'm also paying for my home and getting married + putting away 10% for personal savings I can only afford the Persona.

2. Are you a fresh graduate or are you looking for a family car?
- If you're looking for a family car go for the Persona (bigger boot and rear seat space, I've sat in both before). The low torque at low rpm is not a problem since I'm not planning to race on the roads and don't frequent the highways.
- If you're a fresh graduate/ beggining to climb the corporate ladder, the better choice would be the Vios for better FC and styling. Also this may help to attract girls (*8/10 of my girl friends aged 18-24 gives full thumbs up for the Vios for style).

3. If you decide to buy the Vios check that the service booklet and make sure it has a good service history. Else since it's your relative why not bring to Toyota service for an assessment?

And most importantly, whichever choice you make enjoy your new ride.

Yeah...totally agreed...nice said

I'm fresh graduate too...(driving a Neo ). Affordable is the main thing. Some of my friends who bought Vios and City have to 'ikat perut' as the highly installment and maintenance...they are paying 8++ per month while I just about 5++ not including petrol and services. 3++ is high amount for me as a fresh graduate...

For sure after my life getting stabil and salary ok...i'll change to better car...(dream of Toyota Wish)

I am guarentee TS sure headache and dizzy due to decision making...

Why not take the chances go to test the Toyota Vios and Personal, then you will have very clear count then..

good luck loh

1st of all, i reli appreciate that that u replied 2 each and every1 of us that posted in this thread Juz wanna add on to my points... well, when i was talking bout those added accessories, they're not actually the main point but trust me smaller cars are much better to drive around as i was driving my dad's altis for some time before i got my own car (myvi)... furthermore, i do realise a difference in japanese cars compare to local cars... My dad had been owning some honda's and toyota's for years (not to mention some local cars as well) and i can say that after a few years the difference r quite quite obvious in terms of qc... for example, rattling sound r quite common prob on local cars (after a few years) but i dun realise such problems in any of the japanese cars (that my dad own before and even among some of my friend as well) or maybe not in my case but i also realise the materials finishing are different although i would say the fittings for CKD japanese cars and local cars are equally below average compare to CBU cars... to check on this, u can knock on the material (eg. plastic) and look at the finishing part of the pieces/fitting, u'ld realise the thickness and the fineness of the finishing are different... Juz wanna share my experience...



This post has been edited by Nelson88: Feb 24 2008, 04:51 PM

it is true as we live in malaysia, we pay in RM

sorry:
toyota vios is subcompact car while persona is a compact car
so, i apologize for saying vios same class as persona because vios is 1 class below persona.. my bad
u may argue that info in wikipedia is fake, so u show me why an vios is much superior than overpriced vios?

so u r saying a 89k vios same class as 90k perdana?

so u r saying a 2.0L civic c-class same class as 2.0L camry/merz c-class?

if u were to read my quote properly, someone suggest a 9years old vios same price as 5years old persona and i gave an example of 20k.. for god sake, read throughly

i always think before i speak.. at least i dont hear what other people said only.. i go and test myself so everything is based on my observation

juz because u bought an overpriced car doesnt mean it is a godlike car.. myvi is a god car as well nuff said

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Added on February 24, 2008, 5:39 pmat least i get what i paid.. what is the advantage of vios over honda city? u tell me then.. both were same priced
ultraseat is a stanby feature when u gona take in large item
7 speeder cvt (not tiptronic) provide good power and silent engine, as well as FC
with large interior, the driver will feel relaxed rather than packed interior
if u were to notice, mostly camry/accord on the road are occupied by driver only

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Feb 24 2008, 05:40 PM

lai lai lai... all mai argue ya

TS just go test drive then bought it whatever car he like, and he feel siok to drive

hmm, if for a same price u can get new car why not have a new one. around 50~60k for the new persona vs vios. Persona lo. not much different in price ma, if you are thinking of resale value, why buy a car in the first place, if you only thinking of selling. All car also need maintenance, all car also need petrol ma, proton is not that bad. Its been overately critic in here.

Both have similiar characteristics despite the city has more gizmos in it and toyota made a good promo before where the price difference is almost RM7-8k.

Oh well, maybe my medium/thin stature not able to feel the marginal spaciousness in the city over vios and might as well feels comfortable in the horribly midget class vios interior. Probably the same reason I feel comfortable in my friend's overpriced cooper s.

Just to tell you guys that I have decided to get the Vios. Just gave my relative a call and I shall be getting the car quite soon. I sincerely thank everyone for their constructive comments and have a nice day. I have been a reader of this forum for a long time and I have learnt a lot of things.
By the way, the car's mileage is 5x,xxxKM.

To sitan80: Thanks for your advice. I guess I'll send the car to the service centre once I get it. Enjoy your ride too.

To jimlim007: I have tested both cars like I said earlier and I find them both equally good. Thanks.

To Nelson88: Yeah. That's for sure. I'm already very happy to get my first car and I'm content with whatever the car has to offer.

finally u made up ur mind..all the best..

you made the right decision....

Yeah...hope u like it..for me, no matter what car, no matter what people said about that car, the main thing is u enjoy driving it...

I love my car as it is my first ever car in my life...