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TSTak3shi
post Feb 16 2008, 10:05 AM, updated 18y ago

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Hi guys,

I want to pick up the guitar in 3-6months. I understand that you can do it within that time frame from my guitarist friends but i was wondering on the best way to do it. Best meaning efficient and not fastest.

I have some old scores of self-help guitar sheets but i was wondering if anyone here did the same and could give me some tips, a guide, or a website link.

I would also like to buy a cheap guitar below 100Rm to practice on. So it would be great if someone here knows where to get a good beginner guitar cheap and what to look for when buying a 2nd hand guitar. Thanks.
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post Feb 16 2008, 06:16 PM

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lol..
guitar below rm100...
wif that money...
wat u can buy is only a kapok which is DEFINITELY NOT suitable for begginers...

to self learn...
i u can understand chinese..
i recommend u to go to popular to get some books...
thr are a lot books are great for beginners...
eg. 弹指之间
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post Feb 16 2008, 07:50 PM

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uhh just learn some open chords and power chords 1st?
self learning is the best for beginners aint need a teacher or books
when ur comfortable enuf plaing it then get some books or just google it
things on the book is just the same as in the net
video lesson is good too on youtube
goodluck
TSTak3shi
post Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(easlynich @ Feb 16 2008, 05:39 PM)
guitar as in acoustic? or classical?
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I don't know. Acoustic is without plugin to amp one right? Acoustic guitar cheaper i don't need the amp one yet.


QUOTE(x-crusader @ Feb 16 2008, 06:16 PM)
lol..
guitar below rm100...
wif that money...
wat u can buy is only a kapok which is DEFINITELY NOT suitable for begginers...

to self learn...
i u can understand chinese..
i recommend u to go to popular to get some books...
thr are a lot books are great for beginners...
eg. 弹指之间
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I got a friend bought a 50rm 2nd hand guitar sometime ago wor and in quite good condition.

That's why i thought 2nd hand can get. If 1st hand 100+ i know some friends who open a music shop can get discount. But i want start with low budget 1st very tight this few months.

QUOTE(wreckens15 @ Feb 16 2008, 07:50 PM)
uhh just learn some open chords and power chords 1st?
self learning is the best for beginners aint need a teacher or books
when ur comfortable enuf plaing it then get some books or just google it
things on the book is just the same as in the net
video lesson is good too on youtube
goodluck
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I know how to play a piano until grade 3. So chords shouldn't be a problem but i definitely need to get my hands hardened. I got girl hands man, very soft lolz. But what should i do after i learn chords? What's the fastest way to pick up? Any guide like learn 3chords than play 3 chords song 1st?


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post Feb 16 2008, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM)
I don't know. Acoustic is without plugin to amp one right? Acoustic guitar cheaper i don't need the amp one yet.
You can get acoustic with plugin or without

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM)
That's why i thought 2nd hand can get. If 1st hand 100+ i know some friends who open a music shop can get discount. But i want start with low budget 1st very tight this few months.
I know how to play a piano until grade 3. So chords shouldn't be a problem but i definitely need to get my hands hardened. I got girl hands man, very soft lolz. But what should i do after i learn chords? What's the fastest way to pick up? Any guide like learn 3chords than play 3 chords song 1st?
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If you want to 'harden' you hands or fingers.. i personally think kapok is a good way to start.. start off hard.. then later when u change to a good guitar.. you'd be like.. whoaaa.. this is so easy.. =p

This post has been edited by leland: Feb 16 2008, 11:00 PM
TSTak3shi
post Feb 16 2008, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(leland @ Feb 16 2008, 10:57 PM)
You can get acoustic with plugin or without
If you want to 'harden' you hands or fingers.. i personally think kapok is a good way to start.. start off hard.. then later when u change to a good guitar.. you'd be like.. whoaaa.. this is so easy.. =p
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So any tips on where to buy a good kapok one?
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post Feb 16 2008, 11:07 PM

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better learn from absic chord. Am, B, C, and so on

find the easiest song to play(nirvana for me) and play with it...
it pretty easy that way
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post Feb 16 2008, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM)

I know how to play a piano until grade 3. So chords shouldn't be a problem but i definitely need to get my hands hardened. I got girl hands man, very soft lolz. But what should i do after i learn chords? What's the fastest way to pick up? Any guide like learn 3chords than play 3 chords song 1st?
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chords are easy when ur hands are friendly with the guitar
that is all matters to be comfortable playing and golding the chord without looking at the fretboard
it will be a problem since chord in piano is simple even for beginners
chord in guitar is harder to hold then the piano(for beginners)
probbly it will help alot on the understanding the chords triads(music theory)
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post Feb 17 2008, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 11:05 PM)
So any tips on where to buy a good kapok one?
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have you tried lookin at the garage sale in lyn yet? sometimes they have cheap guitars , maybe even better than kapok tho..
*edits* http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/162736
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/207148

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post Feb 17 2008, 01:08 PM

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Woh Fatt Music House Sdn Bhd how to get there ????? lrt can reach ???
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post Feb 17 2008, 01:21 PM

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post Feb 17 2008, 09:06 PM

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i used kapok as my first guitar as well. it certainly does train up the finger strength and the ability to press the strings hard for a longer time, but there are quite a number of ppl who will quit half way because of using kapok.

the sound of kapok isnt all the great, though beginners might not be able to differentiate, but it does discourage them from practicing. the hard strings will prevent them to practice for a time longer than 30 minutes in a go since their fingers are not "seasoned" yet. this would probably last for 1 week...then the fingers would be as hard as dead skin...hahaha..literary.

anyway, if you have be money, i'd recomend you to go for a basic electronic guitar set. if you are on tight budget, i'd say yes to kapok.

as for learning, i used a chord book, those around rm3 ones that shows how to press most of the chords. and search for some simple songs from the net,[those using only C,Am,F,G,G7,D and A]. oh yea, by the way, i learn by myself as well.



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The first thing to do is to get your self comfortable with basic strumming, neck gripping, holding pick proper way. I think you can do this within a week. If you are already comfortable with the guitar, you can become one with it (not meaning to ahem it), and you can learn chords easily after that.

Learn simple straight forward songs like Nirvana or Green Day (which most people play for a starter). Then you can go with simple string picking songs like intros from Metallica or something.

You can find very cheap kapok less than RM100... who cares if it's cheapo.
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post Feb 17 2008, 11:11 PM

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get an acouistic dont go for eletric yet
no pain no gain
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post Feb 18 2008, 12:36 AM

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yep agree ... acoustics are always better to start off with ...
take time to let urself get used to the feel of the acoustic 1st ...
it'll help more in terms of building finger & wrist strength !
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post Feb 18 2008, 02:42 PM

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A Kapok is a machine for you to strengthen your fingers.It's not a guitar.XD


Well actually,I started with a Kapok,and it has definitely strengthen my fingers. But if you have the budget,invest on a Yamaha.

What music are you interested on?
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post Feb 18 2008, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 10:05 AM)
I want to pick up the guitar in 3-6months. I understand that you can do it within that time frame from my guitarist friends but i was wondering on the best way to do it. Best meaning efficient and not fastest.
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It really depends on what you mean by "pick up". If you mean you want to strum simple chords or do some basic fingerstyle, then sure, you can easily do it in 3-6 months with enough practice. You did not mention what type of guitar you intended to learn....steel-string/classical/electric? I would definitely recommend an acoustic steel-string, as it is the most versatile.

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 10:05 AM)
I have some old scores of self-help guitar sheets but i was wondering if anyone here did the same and could give me some tips, a guide, or a website link.
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You can learn on your own, but it would be best if you had a friend to show you the basics. It will be a little easier if you already have prior musical training in another instrument such as the piano. If you can afford it, find a good guitar teacher and take lessons for a few months. Once you have all the basics in place, I suggest that you stop the lessons and start learning songs by ear. YouTube is once of the best (and cheapest!) ways to learn the guitar. I've been playing for 15 years and only had one teacher while I was in school. I learned for about 1 year, then realized that there really wasn't anything he was teaching me that I couldn't teach myself. So I've been learning from books, CDs, MP3s and Youtube ever since. It's tough sometimes, but that's what makes it satisfying when you finally nail a piece you've been learning for months rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Feb 16 2008, 10:05 AM)
I would also like to buy a cheap guitar below 100Rm to practice on. So it would be great if someone here knows where to get a good beginner guitar cheap and what to look for when buying a 2nd hand guitar. Thanks.
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I strongly advice *against* buying a RM100 guitar. You might think it's worth it in the beginning, but after you've improved and played better guitars, you won't ever want to touch it again. Then that would be RM100 wasted. Many guitarists think that the price of the guitar you buy depends on how good you are. I don't think this is a very good approach. When people ask me: Am I good enough to deserve an expensive guitar? I say: How good a player do you *want* to be? What many people don't consider is that a good guitar sounds *and* feels better. As a result, you will want to play and experiment with it more often. This makes you a better player! flex.gif

So, I always recommend that, *if* you are quite serious about playing the guitar, buy an instrument that is *the best you can afford*. If you do not have a lot of $$$, a Yamaha acoustic is a good place to start. Their entry-level guitars are about RM280. Their more expensive ones are better than many Taylors, Takamines and Seagulls.
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post Feb 21 2008, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(mmmaak @ Feb 18 2008, 02:54 PM)
It really depends on what you mean by "pick up". If you mean you want to strum simple chords or do some basic fingerstyle, then sure, you can easily do it in 3-6 months with enough practice. You did not mention what type of guitar you intended to learn....steel-string/classical/electric? I would definitely recommend an acoustic steel-string, as it is the most versatile.
You can learn on your own, but it would be best if you had a friend to show you the basics. It will be a little easier if you already have prior musical training in another instrument such as the piano. If you can afford it, find a good guitar teacher and take lessons for a few months. Once you have all the basics in place, I suggest that you stop the lessons and start learning songs by ear. YouTube is once of the best (and cheapest!) ways to learn the guitar. I've been playing for 15 years and only had one teacher while I was in school. I learned for about 1 year, then realized that there really wasn't anything he was teaching me that I couldn't teach myself. So I've been learning from books, CDs, MP3s and Youtube ever since. It's tough sometimes, but that's what makes it satisfying when you finally nail a piece you've been learning for months  rclxm9.gif
I strongly advice *against* buying a RM100 guitar. You might think it's worth it in the beginning, but after you've improved and played better guitars, you won't ever want to touch it again. Then that would be RM100 wasted. Many guitarists think that the price of the guitar you buy depends on how good you are. I don't think this is a very good approach. When people ask me: Am I good enough to deserve an expensive guitar? I say: How good a player do you *want* to be? What many people don't consider is that a good guitar sounds *and* feels better. As a result, you will want to play and experiment with it more often. This makes you a better player!  flex.gif

So, I always recommend that, *if* you are quite serious about playing the guitar, buy an instrument that is *the best you can afford*. If you do not have a lot of $$$, a Yamaha acoustic is a good place to start. Their entry-level guitars are about RM280. Their more expensive ones are better than many Taylors, Takamines and Seagulls.
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You're right mate, it boils down to the mind: what do u intend to get out of this ability of playing guitar? (Mcm superhero pulak tongue.gif )

Start with something affordable but decent. Its amazing what can be had for 150 bucks these days if u dig and bargain hard enough. Strangely enough, some affordable guitars can actually play and sound really really well - I have a kurap acoustic J.d. that beats the socks off of pricey Washburn/Yamaha/Ovation/Takamine anytime (but maybe im being biased here hehehe).

Believe me, as u grow musically, motivation goes down the drain when u pick up a kapok. And motivation is a very important thing when ur starting out. from past experience I've observed that the 1st 2 months will make or break a budding guitarist. Make it sumthing affordable that feels well - if u cant figure it on ur own get a 2nd opinion. Bring a friend to the shop - he can help with the haggling anyway. keep it within reach so u dont have to go through the trouble of opening the gig bag or going downstairs just to play it. Hang out with friends who play, listen to them talk shop, pick up a thing or two, or at least get jealous of their abilities. Emotion is a wonderful motivator, it worked for me at least. Youtube is a great resource but nothing beats having a live human being telling and showing stuff to u.


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post Feb 21 2008, 08:46 PM

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Harmony Music Centre izzit 1u there ??? lost..............
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