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post Feb 10 2008, 12:51 PM, updated 18y ago

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hey guys ... noob guitar player here ...
i own a BCRich Virgin axe & was just wondering if i should change the pickups of my guitar ?
i primarily play punk & alternative-emo stuff as rhythm guitar ...
i know i know the virgin is more of a metal guitar but i'm not that into that kinda music ...
got this guitar cause my bro once went for lessons at the BCRich distributor Ironwood & got persuaded to get this axe ...
that was way before any of us knew anything about guitars & thought all guitars were the same =P

anyway back to the topic ... i prefer tones like billie joe of green day & deryck whibley of sum41, johnny ramone, & the 2 dudes from mcr ...
more bright & clear sounding yet distorted stuff ... haha dont really know how to explain !
anyone can give me any tips on how to get that kinda sound with my guitar ? pickups & pedals wise ...
i don't play much lead so i basically want a fat warm crunchy rhythm tone that won't get drowned out ...
much appreciated ... thanks ! =)

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post Feb 10 2008, 12:54 PM

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what amp u got?
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post Feb 10 2008, 01:16 PM

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Since you're a beginner, it's best if you send it to a professional luthier to get it soldered and installed. It's not just taking them out from the guitar and slapping a new one in.... there's alot of soldering, adjusting and wiring involved in installing a new pickup.

Since you want more of a punk sound, the Seymour Duncan JB/Jazz combo would be an excellent choice. The JB Humbucker is used in Billie Joe's original Blue guitar BTW. It's more towards the treble range like you want and tje Jazz rounds out the JB in the neck position where it gives you a little more depth on your lows.

And, because of the way your guitar is built, if you ever decide to play Metal (WHICH YOU SHOULD!), these are also GREAT and does the job extremely well. I play a RR3 with the same JB/Jazz combo and it suits alot of genres....

Also, like wreckens15 said, it also depends alot on your amp. Perhaps you should also considered a better amp or one that is more suited to the punk rock sound you like.

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post Feb 10 2008, 04:12 PM

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thanks for the fast reply guys !
mmm i've done some research into the seymour duncan JB but i've never hear of the JB/Jazz combo ... what's the difference ah ?
as for my amp, i'm using a roland microcube primarily for practice la ...
i don't go gigging all that much & when i do, it's usually with rented amps & stacks so i don't think i'll be getting a new amp anytime soon la ...
but i'll look into the SD JB pickups ... how much are they retailing for & which stores carry them ?

and p/s it's not that i don't like metal, i'm actually quite into the more mainsream stuff like metallica, trivium & a7x ... i just don't play them all that much =P

oh yeah ... how bout pedals-wise ? what's the difference between overdrive & distortion pedals anyway ah ?
which would be better for me ?

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post Feb 10 2008, 04:23 PM

 
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what he meant by JB/Jazz combo is JB in the bridge position and Jazz in the neck position. same goes for EMG81/85 combo(81 in the bridge, 85 in the neck)

on a side note, the new alexi signature models finally have Blackouts in them! thumbup.gif
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post Feb 10 2008, 04:47 PM

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What are the differences between Gain, Overdrive and Distortion?

Using Gain, Overdrive, and Distortion can either add or detract from your overall guitar tone, so it's a good idea to know the differences between them. Technically speaking, There are several definitions to these terms, but we are only going to deal with the audio Aspects, or how it sounds to your ears.

Gain is usually defined as an overall boost in your signal without any added tonal coloration. It is usually expressed in decibels such as "Gimme a 3dB boost on that kick drum." Adding more gain is basically just amplifying the signal so it cut through the mix or can be heard over a loud drummer.

Overdrive, as it has come to be known as, is a smooth, warm, slightly distorted sound, generally associated with the sound made by cranking up a tube amp. It is fat and dynamic, allowing you to vary your tone just by the way you play. Overdrive pedals can come close to giving you that tube overdrive sound, probably the most popular being the Tube Screamer.

Distortion can be defined as anything from a fuzz tone to a full-on, notched-out midrange, death metal wall of noise. It is a hard-edged sound with as many variations as there are players. Digital distortion has a more metallic, raspy sound which works well for heavy metal, grunge, or reliving your 80's hair band days. Analog tube distortion gives a good, all-around rock tone, such as the sound of a Marshall stack cranked to 10.

The key to all this is to listen and experiment and let your ears be the final judge. Knowing the differences and how to use them will go a long way to helping you define your own signature tone.

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post Feb 10 2008, 04:47 PM

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i think better u go emg 81 85 sooner or later u sure play metal since punk/mcr riff and solo are quite easy
haha i played 2 years also consider myself as a beginner
but i change to metal after 1 year playing
besides nu metal/hardcore music are quite popular noways
easy can get gigs too if u are an active myspacer
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post Feb 10 2008, 04:52 PM

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Doesn't mean he will switch NOW....... besides, EMGs are waaaaaaaaay too powerful.
And again, the Jazz/JB combo are still good for metal....... if it's good enough for Randy Rhodes........
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post Feb 10 2008, 05:00 PM

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Seymour Duncans are very versatile and 'general' pickups .. So you won't go wrong with Seymour Duncans .. Provided you choose the one that's the closest to the sound you "agak agak" want ..

My sifo taught me this. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 10 2008, 05:07 PM

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he got bc rich means he want METAL
IF NOT he sure go for others!
kan kan kan!!!!!
yeah s d versatile bleh men banyak
tp emg mcm satu benda tp KUAT!
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post Feb 10 2008, 05:21 PM

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ohh okay ... 2 different pickups ... understood !
mmm yeah i've heard EMGs are abit too strong ...
will look more into the seymour duncans thanks =)

then what good decently-priced overdrive/distortion pedals do u sifus recommend pulak ?
is it better to get several pedals separately, or get one of those all-in-one guitar effect thingies ?
i saw 1 from behringer around 1.4k ... but since i rarely use wahs and such it seems abit not worth right ?
sorry for being so long-winded ... just would really like to know more =P


Added on February 10, 2008, 5:24 pmhaha said di earlier ... i love my BCRich & all but my bro was kinda "persuaded" (=conned) into buying it by his ex-guitar teacher ma ... so it's not exactly the sound i want ...
i like the fact that it sounds heavy ... but would like there to be more clarity and crunch if possible !

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post Feb 10 2008, 05:31 PM

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errr ur not going to use wah doesnt mean ur not going to use it forever
atleast u goign to know somthing bout it comapred to me i still havent figure or use wah pedal
if not just go and get a better amp
if u got a good amp u dont need a pedal
thats what iget from overseas people
but if u still going for a pedal zoom 2.1 is good for beginners
im jealouse of u
u got moneys!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Feb 10 2008, 06:24 PM

 
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for the pickups, keep in mind that EMG81/85 is an active combo. meaning you have to power it with a 9v battery and unplug your guitar to prevent it from draining your battery smile.gif
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post Feb 10 2008, 08:37 PM

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see told u emg is good for b c rich
but i hate active pickups
batery drain moneys
ill go for s d since i dont hv moneys
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post Feb 10 2008, 10:19 PM

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the battery life for EMGs is never a concern.
if you remember to always plug out the cable...the battery can last at least 9 months to a yr+ depending how often you play.
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post Feb 10 2008, 10:24 PM

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most basic distortion is BOSS DS-1
if you're not happy with it, u can modify it to get more lows and highs.

overdrive.. most ppl wil recommend the digitech bad monkey

if you want the multieffects, zoom g2.1u is good too, provided u spend some time reading the manual and tweak the patches according to suit the sound you want
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i think the tubescreamer is a more popular overdrive compared to the bad monkey laugh.gif
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post Feb 10 2008, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(bLinKie @ Feb 10 2008, 12:51 PM)
hey guys ... noob guitar player here ...
i own a BCRich Virgin axe & was just wondering if i should change the pickups of my guitar ?
i primarily play punk & alternative-emo stuff as rhythm guitar ...
i know i know the virgin is more of a metal guitar but i'm not that into that kinda music ...
got this guitar cause my bro once went for lessons at the BCRich distributor Ironwood & got persuaded to get this axe ...
that was way before any of us knew anything about guitars & thought all guitars were the same =P

anyway back to the topic ... i prefer tones like billie joe of green day & deryck whibley of sum41, johnny ramone, & the 2 dudes from mcr ...
more bright & clear sounding yet distorted stuff ... haha dont really know how to explain !
anyone can give me any tips on how to get that kinda sound with my guitar ? pickups & pedals wise ...
i don't play much lead so i basically want a fat warm crunchy rhythm tone that won't get drowned out ...
much appreciated ... thanks ! =)
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if you have that guitar and DON'T want to play metal, sell it to me, and buy another one, seriously. (GASGASGAS)
B.C. Rich is one of the brands that come designed to blast in-your-face, screaming metal.

You want a more punky sound, go for something else, honestly.

EMGs are wayyyyy overpowered for punk stuff, so i'd also go for the Jb/jazz setup
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post Feb 10 2008, 11:56 PM

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u got bc rich GO PLAY METAL ZOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
pop punk + emo can never bring ur skill up unless ur like 5 months playing age
i once played punk b4
all the chords are like power chords and the best is like 90 bpm?
go for emg it suits ur bc rich and starts playing a7x!!!!!!!
if synyster riff is too hard for u
go for matt from bullet for my valentine riff
ur gonna improved in no time!!!!!!!! trust me
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post Feb 11 2008, 12:20 AM

 
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just play kissing the shadows cuz u gonna improved in no time!!!!!!111 trust me!

but its true that playing metal will improve your skill, but dont make too big of a leap
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post Feb 11 2008, 12:22 AM

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start with toro brothers riff when u think ur good enuf move out
metal is more nice when the beat is faster u ll start to feeeeeeeelllll THE HEAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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post Feb 11 2008, 01:17 AM

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Don't play metalcore.Play metal like slayer,megadeth,black label society,anthrax,black sabbath and stuff like that.People who find chugging and powerchords are metal should burn in hell!XD,ok la not so serious la.


Haha,this thread is kinda getting off topic,so I'll get back to the topic.What amp do you have actually?IMHO,the amp plays the most important role in defining tone.If you wanna get a new set of pups,prolly the great jazz/jb.It's one heck of a versatile pair to me.And for pedals...nah,I don't think you'll need em.Punkrock right?
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post Feb 11 2008, 01:46 AM

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agreed ... die chuggers ! lol ... yay for sex pistols ! steve jones forever rawr !
like i've said earlier ... i'm only using a roland microcube as practice amp ...
& most of the time when i have gigs or performances the equipment's mostly rented from wherever's cheapest so i don't have much say in the matter =(
that's why i wanna get a pedal that can bring my sound as close to ideal as possible, so using random amps won't fck my sound up !
punk rock still needs pedals la ... at least 1 overdrive or distortion don't u think ?

so it's agreed ... the jazz/jb combo is the best ? will start doing my homework on it ... 1 humbucker is around 3++ ? or 4++ ?
then both'll be almost 8 or 900 ? omfg have to stop eating for 2 months ... maybe 3 ...

@liew90kw
i'd sell it to u but i don't think u'd want it ... too many scratches & dings ...
it once got hit by a ceiling fan when i was lifting it over my head o.O
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post Feb 11 2008, 02:09 AM

 
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you should be able to find 2nd hand jb/jazz pickups.. very common biggrin.gif
i think this is gapster's department smile.gif
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post Feb 11 2008, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(bLinKie @ Feb 11 2008, 01:46 AM)
agreed ... die chuggers ! lol ... yay for sex pistols ! steve jones forever rawr !
like i've said earlier ... i'm only using a roland microcube as practice amp ...
& most of the time when i have gigs or performances the equipment's mostly rented from wherever's cheapest so i don't have much say in the matter =(
that's why i wanna get a pedal that can bring my sound as close to ideal as possible, so using random amps won't fck my sound up !
punk rock still needs pedals la ... at least 1 overdrive or distortion don't u think ?

so it's agreed ... the jazz/jb combo is the best ? will start doing my homework on it ... 1 humbucker is around 3++ ? or 4++ ?
then both'll be almost 8 or 900 ? omfg have to stop eating for 2 months ... maybe 3 ...

@liew90kw
i'd sell it to u but i don't think u'd want it ... too many scratches & dings ...
it once got hit by a ceiling fan when i was lifting it over my head o.O
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Use amp distortion lor...get an overdrive,sex pistols not say use the blardy ganas mia distortion.Nah,I don't think the pups are so expensive right?
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post Feb 11 2008, 02:30 AM

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erm okay ... that's kinda what i still dont understand ...
cause like now without pedals, when i want distortion i turn the gain on my amp up ... when i want clean, i turn the gain down ...
is that what u term 'amp distortion' ?
then if i get an overdrive, do i still use amp distortion ?
and what if i get a distortion pedal instead ? then amp distortion how ?

aaahhh ... my brain is imploding ... please save me !
& don't flame my noobie ass for asking noob questions =P

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post Feb 11 2008, 02:38 AM

 
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if you want clean tone, just switch it over to the clean channel!
look for a button that says channel select or something along those lines.
if you get an overdrive/distortion, you can switch it to clean channel because having it on distortion channel will make it really noisy
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post Feb 11 2008, 02:48 AM

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okay so if i get an OD or dist pedal, then i just leave it on the clean channel la ?
i don't think my amp has a channel switch though ... i know what u mean by it la ... as in some amps have settings for 2 diff channels right ? then u can switch from A to B by just pressing something ... but i think smaller amps generally don't have ... correct me if i'm wrong >.<
but errr ... i'm still confused between OD and distortion pedals =(
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post Feb 11 2008, 03:53 AM

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Yep,just leave it clean or be brootal like Zakk and use both amp and pedal distortion to play.


Wait for someone to explain the difference between OD and distortion lah,I think OD is preferred for tube amps to push the tubes to max power and it sounds natural.XD Yeah,I don't really understand the difference too.
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post Feb 11 2008, 10:52 AM

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i even use my retrifier for playing matt's tone
cube dist is good enuf i think
go for pickups if ur guitar's pickups are badly spoil oledi
if not just get multi efx i think
how much sd jazz/jb second hand?! i want
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Overdrive's gain isn't as high as a Distortion..... generally that's the case.
For example....... the Boss SD-1 (Super Overdrive) and Boss DS-1 (Super Distortion). The Boss-SD-1 can be used on the clean channel for a light crunch sound, maybe something like for blues or whatnot. The DS-1 on the clean channel is powerful enough to play hard rock songs already.

HOWEVER..... the SD-1 when used on the Dirty-Channel, can push the amplifier to near explosion! (For evidence of this, listen to Zakk Wylde's Black Label Society.... he pushed the already powerful JCM800 to the max with the SD-1 and then later, the MXR ZW-44, which is a suped-up version of the SD-1). The DS-1 however, when used on the dirty channel, is waaaaaaay to grainy to play anything and not used on that way.

In other words, an Overdrive is more likely to enhance your own amp's distortion, and the DS-1 is used on it's own (ie: Clean Channel) for it's own tone....
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post Feb 11 2008, 08:32 PM

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micro cube is sooo popular here
us think roland cube is crap lols
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post Feb 11 2008, 11:36 PM

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wow

+1 for the JB/Jazz combo
however i do have a pearly gates bridge unit lettin go
u can check out the details at the Seymour duncan website

however, i do suggest gettin a pedal 1st
den to start off wit pups smile.gif
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post Feb 11 2008, 11:58 PM

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wow blacktrix ... i actually understood that ! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
so if i want to do switching from clean to distortion & back again i should use the distortion pedal la ?
since overdrive is more for further distorting the amp's distortion ... haha i think i just confused myself again shakehead.gif

the pups will have to wait awhile la ... i actually have a gig come early april but i don't think i can save up enough by then ...
can anyone just roughly let me know the price range of the 2 pickups ?
cause from what i see online ... they're around USD100 per piece, meaning 2 new pieces are rm7++ ?
normally ppl sell it 2nd hand for around how much ? rm100 ? 200 ? 300 ? just would like to know the range so i won't get conned so easily ...
i'm a sucker for sweet talk =(
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2nd hand should be about rm230-250 each
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ok u might be glad readin this:

i just went to bentley this afternoon. the JB/Jazz combo (sold under the name of "hotrod humbucker") is only

RM590.

if u don get also i will get.
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post Feb 12 2008, 12:24 AM

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hmm cool !
thanks for the info han ... would love to drop by to get it too but ...
no cash at the moment ... sad =(
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Feb 11 2008, 02:57 PM)
Overdrive's gain isn't as high as a Distortion..... generally that's the case.
For example....... the Boss SD-1 (Super Overdrive) and Boss DS-1 (Super Distortion). The Boss-SD-1 can be used on the clean channel for a light crunch sound, maybe something like for blues or whatnot. The DS-1 on the clean channel is powerful enough to play hard rock songs already.

HOWEVER..... the SD-1 when used on the Dirty-Channel, can push the amplifier to near explosion! (For evidence of this, listen to Zakk Wylde's Black Label Society.... he pushed the already powerful JCM800 to the max with the SD-1 and then later, the MXR ZW-44, which is a suped-up version of the SD-1). The DS-1 however, when used on the dirty channel, is waaaaaaay to grainy to play anything and not used on that way.

In other words, an Overdrive is more likely to enhance your own amp's distortion, and the DS-1 is used on it's own (ie: Clean Channel) for it's own tone....
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QUOTE(wreckens15 @ Feb 11 2008, 08:32 PM)
micro cube is sooo popular here
us think roland cube is crap lols
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they know nuts about what we define as 'practice amps'
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post Feb 12 2008, 03:32 PM

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omg THE S D COMBO I OSO WAN 600 ONLY
DISCOUNT OR ALWAYS LIKE THAT?
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Actually, I much much prefer the Vox DA5 if you're playing classic or hard rock. It costs more, but it sounds much better IMHO.
The Microcube is better for Metal though............
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post Feb 12 2008, 03:55 PM

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how come tonestudio sells pearly gates jb pickups for 200++?
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deleted: wrong post

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errr doesn't second hand come to mind?
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post Feb 12 2008, 06:42 PM

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yeah lo ... actually 2nd hand pickups don't differ much sound-wise from new ones do they ?
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smile.gif yups
unless ur talking bout over-used, rusty pups
however, a rusty 60s fender pickup is cool !!!
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post Feb 13 2008, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(bLinKie @ Feb 11 2008, 01:46 AM)
@liew90kw
i'd sell it to u but i don't think u'd want it ... too many scratches & dings ...
it once got hit by a ceiling fan when i was lifting it over my head o.O
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oh don't worry, as long as the body isn't completely destroyed i might still want it laugh.gif
i've lost all the epoxy on the longer leg of my warlock thanks to my friends (who claim they forget it doesn't have a round bottom although i've had it for half a year), have about 4 spots of missing paint thanks to my brilliant guitarists swinging around and not looking, and the headstock has broken about 15 light bulbs/flourescent tubes. (again, my guitarists friends forgetting a bass has a longer neck)

battle scars are sexy, as long as they don't affect the playability of the guitar.
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yup...battle scars are sexy... nod.gif nod.gif
plus it tell all kinds of story...
its like a map...
map to happiness or map to your new guitar... icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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