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animous
post Oct 13 2008, 08:40 PM

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A fanart of hitman reborn anime.. I couldnt found a fanart thread here so I post it here..

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animous
post Oct 13 2008, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(Benny-T @ Oct 13 2008, 09:50 PM)
a very nice artwork i must say
for the back ground and also the character
but the eye seems abit,not so energetic  icon_rolleyes.gif
no offense

just my 2 cents
tq. Dont worry coz I really like critical comments. haha the eye.. yes I need to agree with that. will try to improve on the next artwork.
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post Oct 14 2008, 05:14 PM

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thanks for the comment~
i really feel overwhelmed by u guys coz I never have a friend who deeply into arts, and can comment truly and sincerely in art perspective. For the fanart, I'll leave it at that for this time and I'll try to improve with the next fanart.

meanwhile below is my latest landscape artwork created today. (my clock is little off so maybe the time is incorrect)

I'm researching how to draw/paint a tree and only today I got the formula quite rite, although not too good I guess. Also experimenting "star field" brush.

Critical comments are welcome~


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animous
post Oct 15 2008, 05:27 AM

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i see.. yes it is a fire but i couldnt seem to find a very good way of painting the fire rather than using are brush with opacity and flow set at 20 to 35%.

the original one should look like this (screencap from the anime)


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animous
post Oct 15 2008, 05:55 AM

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yes im using tablet.
For the fanart artwork, the only setting im using at that time are :
Shape Dynamics -> Size jitter -> Pen Pressure

On my latest artwork Ive try to add Angle to tilt and Roundess jitter to pen pressure .. Maybe because of lack of angle and round variability the fire seems to be very wierd.

Any tips to set up the brush? Im using intuos 3..

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post Oct 16 2008, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(cymon @ Oct 15 2008, 10:59 AM)
there is some tutorial on net may help you.
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thanks.. already got some from deviantart. just want to know if some1 here got their own best settings.


QUOTE(zorex @ Oct 15 2008, 12:16 PM)
Your fire looks ok, but the left side not so good, try to use diff brush with diff opacity.
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tq... will try to improve on next artwork hopefully.


Below are C.C from code gease anime, in kimono. not complete yet.. I need to search for "flower" brush that can fit onto the kimono. any1 hav a good source of this type of brush?

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post Oct 16 2008, 07:57 AM

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thanks for the tips. but kimono only have patterns on certain parts of it so wrapping the texture allover the cloth will not make it a kimono. I try researching more on this later today when i got free time.

nice artwork there azarimy. I've go through ur blog and really like ur "streetfighter" in malaysia classroom artwork. cant really remember what the title is.
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post Oct 16 2008, 08:27 AM

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inverted commas, wrapping and mapping~ hmm.. its very new to me.. really excited to learn this. tq so much~ I'll post the result later tonight (after class).
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post Oct 16 2008, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(cymon @ Oct 16 2008, 03:41 PM)
yup, tried it.
i still prefer painter 9.
painter xi is release early next year. now testing beta version.
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Painter is a good software.. but I think I prefer photoshop because I start doing CG with it. Maybe real painter/watercolor etc artist will benefit from it. I has a realbristle feature which simulate the brush textures, plus it will follow our pen tilt nicely far better than photoshop. I really like the rotate canvas feature, which allow us to rotate the canvas as same as we rotate paper in traditional on paper drawings. Yes we can do it in photoshop but I think we will lose some quality as doing a rotate in photoshop are as same as applying transformation (like filter, brightness etc).
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post Oct 17 2008, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 16 2008, 05:07 PM)
animous,

the texture wrapping technique is called "displacement effect". google for tutorials. here's one that might be useful to u. should be self explanatory.

tutorial source
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Due to somehow sloww internet connection.. the example picture all loaded halfway.. very frustrated. Also cause my search for flower pattern brush end up failure. I'll try again later. Tq for pointing out the links~ thumbup.gif


QUOTE(cymon @ Oct 16 2008, 06:17 PM)
good, well come to the cg comunitty.
i do love photoshop too.
but it is ram grabber compare painter.
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Tq. But even the latest Painter X does not support Dual Core processor yet, so I guess Photoshop is much faster than Painter. I can do my art in PS, open up to 25 tabs of webpage in firefox, Antivirus (Avira) scan, plus mp3 and apache webserver. still ok exept when painting the mp3 will somehow stuck2 a bit. haha. sweat.gif

becoz fedup mad.gif with internet connection, I halted the kimono patterns work and try planning up the background for her. unsure.gif
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Added on October 19, 2008, 4:40 pmbackground and lighting tweak finished.. now left is the kimono flower .. will add as i hav free time...

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post Oct 21 2008, 05:40 AM

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thanks for ur opinion - yes very sorry for the lighting failure. So shall I darken the character or I need to re-do the shadow and lighting on her?

EDIT - Ok Ive done fix the lighting. hopefully this is correct. sad.gif

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post Oct 22 2008, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(Fyonne @ Oct 21 2008, 02:36 PM)
u can play around by creating another layer to add some lighting or adjust particular layer on certain part n adjust the color, brightness or contrast (darker or brighter)
example:
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wat i originally painted on the left without any post effect. while on the right with few color edit, added more lighting n make the focus point more contrast to bring out the character more. just play around with it til u satisfied.

Oh.. good tips~



QUOTE(Fyonne @ Oct 21 2008, 02:36 PM)
neway, manage to get some time to spent a lil on drawing
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kinda caught by load of works n plenty of play ( wink.gif ) lately that i dun really have time for drawing sad.gif
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nice.. its better if u cleanup the sketch and make proper lineart. but if its ur art style id say its still nice too.. no need to change
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post Oct 23 2008, 07:20 AM

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@aizen - good work. but if if its me, I'll do all the details on the paper first then scan so that the pc will only be used for coloring process. its very good though you did that with only a mouse.

Okay slumberus.. ive fixed the lighting problems and also some gaps here and there. Also fix incorrect hue for the grass. Tq for ur comments and critique. It does improve me alot, although its not really good yet.


Btw do u guys know where i can find info about art educations? I really like to know more about how lighting, gravity and stuffs work. Or maybe a good book u guys would like to recommend?


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post Oct 23 2008, 12:01 PM

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As an object gets further than you. it tends to be more less saturated and clear.


I dont disturb he farthest grass..what i did is de saturate the grass nearer to the girl. a little only because i think it is too saturated.


I dont know yet what chroma is... Wahh.. really interested to know more about art lah.. after hearing those stuffs.


As an IT graphic student what I learn in the Uni was not knowledge like u tell me... The best Ive learn is how to draw a picture with opengl programming.. Last opengl project takes nearly 25 A4 pages of codes just to draw a building which u can do in less than half hour in paint or photoshop.. lol





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post Oct 23 2008, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 23 2008, 10:28 PM)
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By azarimy

gaaram, female version of gaara.
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lol... nice. u're really great at ur own style of art~ smile.gif

but her hand is not grasping the sword properly.. why she holding the sword upward while "bathing?" is another question..
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post Oct 31 2008, 06:55 AM

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@akamuka - wow.. very high quality work id say.. 10 - 15 hour continuous ?
If 3 hour a day that will be 5 day..

@BennyT - very sketchy.. your own style maybe?

@Mclelun - nice, simple and clean artwork. Unfortunately vector is not my favourite type of art though.. haha but still urs is good.

@Azarimy - quite a good artwork u hav there. U say 4 hours limit? hmm I try my best not to finish my work within a specific time so that I can improve it everytime I notice something wrong in it. Some of my work takes almost a month to finish, just to waiting for forumer comment and to improve it. Alhough is not as good as akamuka though...


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post Nov 1 2008, 07:21 PM

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Im not really that agree with azarimy statement... To me good or not good painter/artist/ or an architect/engineer who draw/paint is determined by the work they done, not by the time they need to do their work. Dont just put all architect or engineer as same category as yourself. Everyone is different and I believe anyone with any job can do their best at their drawing. Limiting time to draw is only one person preference..
Example are this engineer who draw many artwork which some of them takes month to complete. http://getty.deviantart.com/

Instead of thinking what I can archive in limited time, I instead keep doing the artwork till I satisfied. along the way I also learn how to do this and that as some object I would like to draw is not in my knowledge yet.

So a this point of time, im try my best to improve my drawing as much as possible, then after I acquire neccesary knowledge I'll then keep practicing until I can complete a drawing in short time.

Its the same concept as learn how to type on a keyboard, or even when we cook. At the first time we learn how to chop the onion.. then after a few month (or maybe years) u can now chop the onion very fast just like professional chef..

I'm striving to work as an animator, so I also need to do my artwork in very limited time. Imagine drawing 8 frame per second as a standard of japan animation, they still can archive very good quality (even in High Definition BluRay quality) in very limited time. that what im trying to archive now..
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post Nov 1 2008, 09:25 PM

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first of all, i'm not generalizing all architects or engineers. i'm saying that i let my discipline determine how i work. other people may switch between an architect/engineer/whatever into artist mode as freely as they want. me? i'm governed by the principles of my discipline.


Okay these shows that u have your own displine but its not generally an architect discpline isnt?

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but architects, being in architect mode, are entirely ruled by time. it's not something u can argue against. the primary rule about being an architect is the ability to work within time. it's what u can do within the time that really matters.


Hello there.. manga artist for example need to complete their work within a specific time too.. artist also need to obey time limit u know.


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even in architecture education, students are measured by the work they produce by deadline. they wont be measured by "what he might have done if he was given more time".


Every student need to complete anything within deadline... programmers, architect, artist student all are same in this case..


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anyone can score an A if u give them all the time in the world. heck, malaysian architects can design KLCC or KLIA if they were given all the time (and money) in the world.
time is not everything, knowledge is the one who determine whos the best. btw, FYI the design of KLCC (only the design) are not created by an architect which is by Tun Mahathir.. its design is actually a islamic square which is famous in masjid grills when looking from above. He meanwhile only need pencil and paper to design it.

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but it doesnt work that way, unfortunately wink.gif. so architects are always trained to measure themselves against time. achieve the best within the given time.


as I said before everyone works within time. But in this case You and I are clearly different because Im assuming you are working now isnt? Im meanwhile am a student who dont have experience with real job situation yet. Archive the best within time only applicable when u are in working situation which is true only for the work which is related to the job.. not ur hobby or drawing or cooking or anything. Im asking u now do you really apply ur "architect attitude" to any work u do? Cooking within lets say 4 hours limit, or cleaning house within 4 hours limit?



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architects can become good if they train alot and get more experience.

Why u are treating everyone (in this case architect) equal? as I said before knowledge is the one which is important. if they can get the knowlege and skill within short time they CAN become good. If they can only get the knowledge and skill longer than others they also CAN become good. It does not necessarily need to train alot though..

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but there must be an objective on what u do. do u want to learn to chop onions very fast? or do u wanna learn to serve 60 people within 1 hour? even professional chefs MUST work within a time limit. if not, people will walk out of ur restaurant and u wont get paid.
This clearly show u are in working person perspective. As I dont have the knowledge yet so I will try my best to get the best result as possible as I currently dont have a proper deadline yet. BUT in art perspective if I can draw very fast but the result is just so so, people will not appreciate my work and I also lose my business too isnt? so in my previous post Ive said that I'll improve my work till he best then only I try to practice to shorten the time to do the artwork. But this doesnt show that neither u or me is in a wrong way.. its just our perspective of thinking is different.


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whatever it is, some people switch between being who they are and being an artist. some people let the artist within to take over their life. i'm an architect and i will always will be. u asked me why i work within 4 hour limit. hence my answer

Your word quite make me angry a bit but I take it positively okay.. I dont know how to tell this in proper word but does that mean if u want to draw u became an artist, when u cleaning ur house u became orang gaji and when u fixing ur car u became mechanic? no right? of course people have their own standing and influence and I belief there is nothing wrong with your way of standing.


hope this will clear all the argument and hopefully u take it positively ok..

Below is my latest work done today after frustration of final exam... Im currently studying stones and rock surfaces so Ive came to use various screenshot from the anime as a reference. The character pose are also from the screenshot.





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post Nov 2 2008, 01:14 AM

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okay let me stop u right there. i shall explain my position for u to be REALLY clear about what i'm saying.

i'm an architect by training and profession. i'm also a lecturer of architecture. i also hold a masters in virtual environment which involves alot about programming and digital architecture. and finally, i'm currently in my final year of my doctorate, specializing in architecture education, which hopefully by the end of next year makes me a specialist in educating and developing an architect.

Hmm okay..

you say :
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i didnt even generalize


but what is this ? :
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- yes, it shows my discipline, but also any architect's discipline.
- it's central to the architecture discipline, which i've explained briefly.
- architects ARE measured by deadline bcoz if they couldnt complete it, it's still can be measured.
- architects just made this central to their life. architects are lateral thinkers, .....
- however, the training is different from what u normally see in other fields. just ask any architect friend
- it doesnt matter about how long it takes for an architect to gather knowledge.
- architects are known to extend their studies by 1 or 2 semesters. it's normal....
- i'm saying that architects have a very different frame of mind.
unless u dont know what generalization mean.. : To speak in generalities, or in vague terms;
U are treating all architect the same... thats what I mean generalize..... If u think that way is the truth then its okay. You have more experience and lived longer than me anyway. Just to make sure Im are on my own I always say myself as "I", not as an artist. Saying Im as an artist is the same as making everyone as equal as me which is known as generalization.

about the KLCC.. okay about the KLCC my point is incorrect but the correct one is for the KLCC, Pelli envisioned two slim 88-storey towers, each with a 44-storey bustle or annex. The floor pattern was based on a 12-pointed star but this was later changed to an eight-point star on Dr Mahathir's suggestion, as being more representative of Islamic design. source : http://pmproject.doubleukay.com/klcc_hist.html

Your other points are also arguable but lets stop k. I said u have ur own perspective and I have mine. It doesnt matter if u have only 1 perspective or many who cares anyway. I see things in my own way and u in ur own way. Did I say ur way is wrong. If yes then I apologize for any argument i make okay. Im here just to brush my art skill and to gather more knowledge for my own ambition.
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post Nov 2 2008, 04:44 AM

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that's not generalization, when i speak of common characteristics.

it's like saying "all architects design buildings". are there any architects that DONT? is saying "all architects design buildings" a generalization? u see my point? all the stuffs u've listed i said are not generalization, but common traits, things that ALL architects do. like i said, all architects go through similar training and do the same things.

i cant really describe it in any other way. are u saying i cant say "all students study", bcoz it's a generalization? biggrin.gif


generalize or "common characteristic", common traits whatever is just a play of word . What I said is u are traiting every architect the same. Some of things can be common but some are not. Your words " it's central to the architecture discipline", "architects just made this central to their life. architects are lateral thinkers, .....", "i'm saying that architects have a very different frame of mind." and etc are some points which are personal to certain human and is questionable wheter it is applicable to all architects or not. I strongly believe it is wrong to assume everyone (in this case architect) is the same in terms of personal behavior. Saying like "all architects design buildings" is meanwhile are not personal but a specification of what architect are as same as I say "All artist draws" and "All Painter paints".

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suggestions from a client doesnt necessarily make them the designer. yes, it was taken into the design process, but it's the designer/architect's call to fully accept or reject the idea and make it his. it's going to be hard to deal with copyright and ownership issues if all suggestions from clients, consultants or anybody involved in a particular project had to be given certain rights.

i mean, lets look at ur artworks. lets say i suggest u to use "darker shadows". u follow and abide. does that make me part owner of that artwork? no, right? coz u're the artist. u can credit me for the suggestion, but u really dont have to.
well, when anyone disagrees with me, i always make sure he understands what he is disagreeing about and ensure he has all the right arguments to support his standings. hence i tabled out my arguments, to ensure u understand my points. but if u still disagree, then it's totally up to u. i'm always open to arguments wink.gif.

Your point is correct and I believe this clears my confusion about KLCC designers. Before this I believe Tun Mahathir are the designers because of documentary of it on TV that I watch before.

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