As per my complaint here and here, im proposing that a sanctified Kopitiam be put, that is formally opened to every member, but with every single spam and nonsensical or /b/ meme or FIRST SECOND THIRD whatevers posted, that person is demoted back to the dirty Kopitiam. Thus 1 person have only a single access to either Kopitiam.

With this, hopefully, with time, we can weed out all the trouble makers and segregate them into one Kopitiam, so we can keep all the turd there.

Its drastic, and perhaps a tad impractical, but i just had to suggest it . What say you?

kopitiams are meant for those kinds of spammers/noobs/dweebs in the first place

and can i ask who would be the one's demoting people back to the "dirty" forum? Not to go against this suggestion but wouldn't it be causing too much hassle to the moderators??

At least a sanctified Kopitiam as forementioned can be used to discuss General Topics WITHOUT trouble makers, and yet those discussions might be trivial, as not to be "as par" as a "Serious Topic".

I support the idea.

~Cheers!

i prefer to support 'freedom of speech'

Like I mentioned before.
Instead of "serious" as a tag; let's have it as a sub forum for more easier monitoring too..

I agree. As I've suggested before, here's a visual

wat happens to all the craps in current kopitiam then...? all thrown to /b/ ...?

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Added on February 1, 2008, 5:25 pmjuz limit it to certain areas... no freedom taken anyway...

This post has been edited by t3chn0m4nc3r: Feb 1 2008, 05:25 PM

seriously admin deosn't cares whether it is new or old Kopitiam, cause everyone now has their own place or subsection to post/spam, it's the amount of users that is important to maintain the bills for this forum, cheers

There is always two ways of looking at this.

If we do come up with a more 'serious' kopitiam, it would work for some, but at the same time it would degrade the old kopitiam even more. You will then have jokers saying that everything should be allowed in the old kopitiam because its not the serious kopitiam. Moderators also end up having to do more to maintain the sanctity of the 'serious kopitiam', and have less time to oversee the old kopitiam.

We do at the moment practice selective suspension on members who flaunt the rules. Its just technically impossible for us to monitor each and every posting in the kopitiam and give out suspensions for every small rule violation. If you as a member choose to flaunt the rules, and escape with it lucky you, but if you get suspended, then tough luck.

Our moderation might be lax at the kopitiam at times, but we eventually do nail those who unnecessary spoil the topics in the kopitiam. Judging by how bad things have become, we might start to be a bit more trigger happy in handing out no-appeal suspensions.

more mods to do the job ?

If you need help I'm offering myself. (yes I'm unashamed)

first criteria for moderator post - 0% warn meter.

try again in 6 months.

i got a clean record

so do I

I'd love to look over Nintendo, Sports Games and kopitiam subforum

"Serious" Kopitiam = RWI?

That's what I thought.

I think the only proper way to "clean" Kopitiam is to appoint more mods, as the amount of post here I think far outdo those of other sub forums.

Thank you for being optimistic.

Main Site/Forum Feedback and Helpdesk, is not a place to spam, keep it in kopitiam

Frankly, I believe if the new Kopitiam can be used to discuss "trivia" but with "proper conversation standard", and not junk, it would be a cleaner version of Kopitiam, and for those who knows how to appreciate it. Even "trivial" questions like "Which Supermarket offers the cheapest Cooking oil" can be discussed, but with proper basis and not "Tesco Rox!" etc.

I don't mind sparing a few moments of my time. In fact, I would be glad to help.

~Cheers!

It's a fair suggestion, but to be brutally honest, it's like going to those apek coffee shops and saying "from now on, we'll have a non-smoking section of this shop". Everybody who goes there either smokes or doesn't care about air pollution. If you wanted clean air, you'd go to an air conditioned McDonald's restaurant.

Kopitiam was established to house discussions that don't fit anywhere else. It so happens that it means the bottom rung of the forum topic ladder.

The bold part is the main reason?

Srsly i think if open up a new kopitiam will make things worse, and the current one can't change until the ppl who are responsible for all the BS type post can change the way they post. The problem start from the forumer itself and won't be gone by adding new rules/sections or those kinda stuffs until the mentality(izzit the right word?) of the forumer change.

P.S. I would like to help too, since I'm free all the time .

Sometimes, people do smoke in McDonalds. Inconsiderate. LOL.


What about general discussions? "Cooking Oil Price Comparison" can't be a Serious Topic, can it? **Just an example.


Not funny.


At least, let others don't suffer from severe eye-sores. It is like saying trash. Just dump? Can't recycle for a change?

~Cheers!

Thats the main idea actually. Its okay to let the dirty Kopitiam to degrade. You put a warning, proceed with caution link before allowing people to enter the dirty kopitiam. State that it is unmoderated, unsanctified, and no liability towards LYN. Or you can be super trigger happy in the dirty thread, where by any unsightly post is straight shot.

How about me 0.o. I dont want a mod post, i just want to be able to either delete, or mask a post that is considered as useless, non beneficial spam. Perhaps install a mod that allows mods or other user groups to be able to mark a post as spam, and what it does is that it just reduces the original post into an entry that says -SPAM-, while still retaining just the original poster's nickname (avatar, signature, etc info can be removed to safe space). Also, it keeps track of accumulated blotted spams of every user, and thus can give you statistics on the worse spammers, etc.

The thing is, there are discussions that are beneficial to the community, that might not fit anywhere else. But because of all the other non benefical crap load that is thrown in Kopitiam, it submerge the good ones, or, what ever good a thread could potentially bring, could be killed by the spams posted in the first few pages. I've seen so many of these. Advices, proper discussion, topics with potential to contribute in terms of general knowledge, isnt allowed to mature into proper discussion just because the first few pages are littered with FIRST, SECOND, welcome to year xxxx, repost is repost, so what? who cares? etc etc.

Imagine a proper vocal conversation of you asking a friend about how is malaysia lately with all the crimes and etc, and suddenly some other person barge in your conversation and says, aiya malaysia no use la better go other country la, goverment no good la, and starts bashing everything, not allowing a proper response by your first friend? What could be potentially be something knowledgable to you is well, down the drain. Multiply this by 50, and you'll get whats happening in Kopitiam.

This post has been edited by daijoubu: Feb 3 2008, 03:00 AM

kopitiam is actually a place for noobs and other degenerates...just my 2cents.

where else do they hangout until they are familiar with the whole LYN thing and all the rules. A mature forumer will start to leave Kopitiam and enjoy other threads and forums (there is others, dont you know that?)

i say, let all things be as they are... we are all noob once right?

how to see the warn meter?

Kopitiam was never made for noobs or degenerates like you. We'd rather lose 1000 noobs and degenerates like you and gain 50 good posters.

there is a big difference in being a noob and being just obnoxious
and frankly speaking, the ones i see spamming the most arent mostly newcommers

You don't have to be a terrible poster to admit you are a noob. I have seen noobies writing "treatises" in Security and Privacy, while the "not-so-noob" will comment accordingly. It is such a fantastic place to be in then.

Now, we have trash upon trash. AND, it is not even kopitiam.

Bad posting habits and amateurism do not go hand in hand.

~Cheers!

ok how bout this... i suggest we give authority for the thread starters in the kopitiam section to delete nonsense posts in their thread while giving a description of that members post was deleted(if he demands an explanation). This is to so avoid racism/bias/trigger happy in deleting peples post just because you dont like it... is that fair enough? i can give a clearer picture if anyone wants hear my tiny piece of suggestion

This thing has become into something emotional. As far as I am being emotional, I stay out of Kopitiam for good. Living in Kopitiam is like talking with a blonde.

why don't TS just use the report button?

you don't even get the idea of what is Kopitiam for.

it's a place for people to enjoy talk / discussion on any other topic that's not allocated a section on LYN.

the problem with our LYN forummer these days it that it's stated in bleeding obvious manner that Kopitiam is for "Topics that don't fit into any other category".

No, it does not in anyway say that this is the section for you guys to spam at your whims and fancy, creating topic as you feel like it, topics that serve no purpose and heads no direction other than into the trash bin.

And no, it also does not in anyway say that this is the place where you can be the nastiest and most inconsiderate way, it is NOT a NO-RULEZ zone either. Kopitiam has always been a place where topics that do not fit in any other category are created AND also a zone that we're more lenient on spams and such but apparently you guys just don't have the decency to appreciate the liberty given.

Seems like Kopitiam now dont have any particular rules.
U can spam as many as u want, open a shitty topic. even though kopitiam is for "Topics that don't fit into any other category" as said by goldfries, it give an advantage to spammers to reply with a nonsense word.
Last time was LOL WUT!!!, after that drop any looot and now 1st, 2nd

ok i shall be a "temp mod" for now... mods!! get ready to receive loads of reports from me... spammers... better watch what you are posting..
i am sick of nonsense posts...

I find spam interesting atleast i can spam too..

But the funny thing iis actually CC when ppl ask question like "i think he like me but i duno, wat should i do"
For god's sake the answer is either wait or ask that guy, not ask LYN ppl.

are we segragating kopitiam into a high class kopitiam vs low class kopitiam??

eg.. comparing starbucks to .. a corner lot kopitiam selling roti bakar + hot drinks?? LOL perhaps some cendol too..

and i agree with 7, it will incurr additional overhead

Even that there's tons and tons of reports, to execute them is PITA for the moderating team as they themselves are having a hard time to monitor the whole LYN population.

I see it in the distance.. Lowyat.NET's Café de la LYN.

Times New Roman font, marble background, no smileys/pictures/signatures. By invitation only.

May i have one plssssssss

hm..ok i just tried the report button...found 10 spam posts and reported all of them..it hasnt been deleted...lol... so i guess the mod team cant really cope with the tonnes of reports we always make...

This post has been edited by orenzai: Feb 4 2008, 07:53 PM

How are the invitations gonna be carried out? By the moderating team only?

use Lo-Fi Version
scroll to the bottom end , click the link on top of "all right reserved 2008 VR ...."
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.

This post has been edited by ktek: Feb 4 2008, 03:58 PM

Aren't we side tracking here? I thought the main idea was about the Setup of a New Kopitiam, not about Lo-Fi options?

~Cheers!

lol...i am not side tracking... its just that i think n obody read my post above?lol...

oh yes the rules apply.

as usual we give chance but if we're to take actions on all buggers that break rules, it will be nasty.

so i rather you guys ship-shape yourself instead of us having to issue warns and such.

if you like LYN, at least do your part in
1. conserving server resources
2. maintain LYN's quality

LYN is not a place where you join just to do what you want in no-holds-barred manner.



see, it's this kind of mentality that's not helping.

who on earth said you can spam?



just because post count is not enabled that doesn't mean it's a spam zone.



LOL. so much coming from someone who doesn't even bother R&R and can't even bother to understand R&R.

look dude, what's wrong if people want to ask?



it's free for all to ask their questions there. more alarming is how people like you respond to others.

for example

*getting a warning for this*

a sub-standard replies among the thousands, and not the worse but it's already proves a point on how bad CC is because you guys can't give proper replies. which is why i said what i said in my signature and a friend of mine had a good day laughing at the incredibly dumb / ridiculous replies that come from our forummer for the CC section.

lol..i really suggest that the TS should be given the authority to delete posts from its own thread... just take for example...

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/625959

the thread above therek is more spam than serious talk despite the serious talk tag... i have already reported a bunch of them but i really don think it will work... by giving the TS the power to delete posts at least this will lessen the burden of the mod team and also immediate action can be taken when the TS doesnt like it...

i believe heavy non appeal punishment shud be given for those who give one liner unconstructive and straight-from-the-spinal-cord reply as a stern warning for potential would be spammer. This has to be done in order to avoid giving the impression to the newcomer that "its ok to spam" because ppl are doing it and getting away wif it.
Im not asking to ban everyone who violate the rules (i know its humanly impossible for mod to do that), just pass the judgement as u see forth. In the long run, hopefully, the message would be clear enough that SPAM DOES NOT PAY

ps. if talking about another subforum in kopitiam, i would suggest a sub for those group specific thread. More than Half of the list in kopitiam were filled wif "hakka, penang, LNT etc" ALL the time.

IMHO it's way to impractical. People will abuse the system.

kopitiam ~= cafe

isnt the serious talk tag enough to avoid spam? whats the need for a cafe?

Nope. Seems like the tag does not work in cases. Mods need a time off too.

A Cafe is meant to talk about trivialities. TRUE. In fact, I have advocated this earlier, BUT, can't we have PROPER Discussions and some Decency?

Does One-liners like "First" make any sens to a topic? It sure is a long way to being informative, unless you are asking about the spelling for that word.

~Cheers!

If it does, nobody will create this thread.

see, that's the problem with our forummers.

They fail to understand what is [SERIOUS TALK] yet got the cheek to say it's tag abuse. like duh.......

This post has been edited by goldfries: Feb 5 2008, 02:57 AM

Instead of cafe, maybe should give the title LIBRARY

you're not supposed to chat in the library.

Lecture Hall then. So the thread starter can talk all he/she wants while the others stfu.

Lmao. Even if it's lecture hall other people can ask questions also.

as in what way? i mean it really annoys those that create threads with serious talk tag on it and everybody is spamming in it...

It will go like this: The TS put on his/her opinions in a thread. Then came along another poster arguing his/her opinions properly. The TS might be disagree or maybe being embarrased by that poster so he/she deletes those post. Aren't that unfair?

as you can see that i said it in the previous page, the TS must NOT delete posts for no reason and IF the poster feels that his post shouldnt be deleted, he could tell the mods... most spammers wont fight back when they spam..do they?lol...

And as we speak, we have one spammer being active at creating spam threads in Kopitiam right now

Forgot to edit this: Its been taken care of

This post has been edited by firedauz: Feb 7 2008, 01:13 PM

Not only that, retards can actually use that to flame people then cover their tracks.

Lol, what mechanism can you create to keep track of those posts that have been deleted without reason?

izzit really hard to comprehend the report function?

iz that hard to ignore the annoyance?

there is a difference between debatable topic and annoying topics
whats annoying to you doesnt mean it's annoying to others

plus for those serious tag "abuser"
its just easy to ignore the topic, and just let it slip down
if the TS keep on ranting idiotically, well
more so for Mod to close it down

but as long there are ppl that discussing in a proper manner
then the topic is valid and this means ppl have other POV different from you
and those who spam in it, is in violation of R&R
and those who don't want to violate the R&R should stayed away

simple as that
those spammer are like idiots that go to carrefour and make a scene that their milk is violating his lactose intolerant stomach
and demand that action be taken towards them(carrefour)
and when got caught by the police for public disturbance,
cried injustice!!!

which basically is idiotic

why wouldnt i just ignore their annoyance? simple, would you wan somebody to come to your house and turn the house upside down..wouldnt you be annoyed by that?

as i said earlier...reporting the posts doesnt do much as the mod team cant cope with ALL the reports that we make...

yup. as i mentioned before (so many times)

if someone uses tag wrongly, click REPORT button.

even if someone tags SERIOUS TALK on nonsense thread, in the end the tag will be removed.

on the other hand, the more concerning issue is that people just refuse to respect the SERIOUS TALK thread in which a decent topic of conversation could just end up down the drain.

again
LYN does not belong to you user
and same goes to kopitiam

speaking of ppl coming to my home and turning it upside down
it is more like all the user is a guest to LYN, the mods as bodyguard to the home owner, VR
and what action to be taken to the annoying person is up to the home owner and his massive bodyguards

or maybe its like you see a person clowning around in shopping mall and you take exception to it
the best you can do is report to the guard for them to take action, if any


cause in real life, different ppl have different perception
same goes here in the forum, what you felt is wrong not necessarily IS wrong
it is easy for the black and white cases, but life is filled with shades of grey


for the lack of manpower,
what i would do is wait, atleast 3days
you would think that these day of age, the information age, move fast
and therefore so does the administrator personel
well info-age babies, though move very rapidly,
they tend to be forgetful

lucky me the mods are not that type yet
they remember the "deeds" by the annoyance
and just biding their time to smite the felon down, hard.

so be a teeny wee bit patient

edit: addenum in red

This post has been edited by mcchin: Feb 5 2008, 08:04 PM

lol... i am not saying that the forum belongs to us users..but more like we are all trying to make LYF a better place to be in...so... i guess lets just wait and see what the admin thinks...

Chasing around the bush, we are doing now.

To have more cilivized discussions, if we have a "more high-class" Kopitiam, then, we wouldn't have people resorting to ignore rubbish threads, because they can find good reads somewhere. At least, the "Better Kopitiam" can serve to be a more reliable and cleaner place to discuss trivialities.

~Cheers!

i dun see the problem with kopitiam ... its the forumers that make the forum not the section .... those tards who post firsttt seconnddd .. u report he gets banned .. nobody does it anymore .... another tard opens a thread with serious tag saying like my e-penis is larger than urs. discuss .. u report it ... removal of serious tag or he being banned .. nobody will do it again .. like for instance tam_ironcup getting a 7 day CNY holiday from se7en ... for creating mindless thread....

by u urself the kopitiam-ers weeding out the bad 1 .. u get the old kopitiam back ...

the real problem about kopitiam is the racial bias. any other than that is fine with me. once something racial is triggered, u will see dozens of retards swarming their racism-intended opinions and neglecting others feelings. it just need someone like unknown warrior to trigger this and u'll see how the mechanism is proven.

who's stupid now? the one who reports or the complete zero tolerance turd who spam their way into degrading other race? i usually report when the thread started to get wild, sometimes mods are late, it was understandable, but names like ah wang, which i think low-balling from his mod duty just sit there and enjoy the show.

i think it's really the time to express this. it's a shame that racism is a downturn for LYN. have u ever seen a Malay throwing racist remarks to the chinese in this forum except for the obviously ignorant nick like u-know-who ?

i agree if this is part of the situation we're living in, where lack of tolerance still being practice, but why here? LYN is suppose to cater for modernist, technocrats, hobbyist, geeks and nerds (whatever u call it, to me it's fine).

we need more Malay mods, period!

This post has been edited by dgrebel: Feb 6 2008, 08:43 AM

I can't speak for every one of the other mods, but I would have to personally agree with you that we (or maybe myself?) could do better when it comes to handing out banhammers for racist remarks. As you've mentioned, the majority of the mod team are Chinese, but then it's because the majority of LYN members are Chinese as well. Not that this is an excuse. I've handed out suspensions for nasty comments made about ethnicity other than my own, but we'll try to (and must) do better. But the last thing we need is a racial quota for mods; that's just going to perpetuate the problem and it presumes that we can't be fair just because we're of this race and not the other.

It's a mistake to say that one particular race is the more frequent target; based on experience it's not as lop-sided as you think. But still, it's not an excuse for not treating all complaints equally. (and I think that most of us have been around kopitiam long enough to know that u-know-who is a forum character that's playing to real-life stereotypes and if you take his posts seriously then it's a sure sign of how new you are )

hurm.. i'll do my best to ignore them.

thanx.

a more stringent punishment and less-than-tolerant policy toward racial issues must be implemented. i cant find any reason why anyone would bother to post something like i quoted below than to incite a racial imbalance. the poster should receive a banhammer straight away with no warnings! but i am not here just to talk about him. ALL racial stereotypes must be dealt with no leeway! any racial comment that makes the mod frown should be marked, deleted, and have the posted banned. if this is the biggest problem in kopitiam, why does it have to be dealt as if they deserve any tolerance?

QUOTE(question? @ Feb 2 2008, 11:51 AM)

The smartest Malaysian should be a Chinese. I'm not racist. Genetically speaking, Chinese should be the smartestest. It's just the same thing with a tall Jew and a fat Arab

do you guys evaluate the job that mods do? im sure some mods perform under-par. if you could implement 20-70-10 system like General Electric does i have faith that system will improve. think about this, the system GE adopted made them into one of the more profitable and efficient companies throughout the globe.

for those who doesnt know, its a system that rewards the top 20%, keep the 70%, and fires the last 10%. I do not have any solid plan as of how it can be retrofitted into the mods-evaluation process, but i am sure it has a lot of benefits: mods cant lay idle, they have to be active and earn to keep their badge, if they arent willing to contribute to make this forum a better place probably they dont deserve to be a mod in the first place. this system also allows you guys to find fresh and new talents, some people dont show their true self when they get the job in their hands. it's a system that has been proven to work.

I'm guessing the admins (gold tags) would look at moderating logs daily so I guess we are being evaluated in a way. *hurries off to act on reported threads*

The GE system wouldn't work because none of us are compensated for our time spent here. The only rewards are the occasional dinner gatherings and the opportunity to compare the membership size of our personal 'fan clubs' (and goldfries has recently raced to the top of the league).

goldfries is nice, that's true. but i digress

ok what about dropping the bottom 10% after so and so period. i wonder if there's any records on bad moderation by mods (misuse of power, negligence, etc)

Instead of dropping mods, why not start choosing and promoting some members to be mods. At least, there are some who can help man other sections that may be overlooked.

~Cheers!

when GE fire their workers, they replace them too, but they also absorb newer ones and their number of workers accumulate. we should drop mods if they are below the 10 percentile, and hire new mods to replace them bad apples and also get a few newer ones.

a) prevent them from idling too much (evaluation)
b) get newer faces who probably could do a better job than the replaced ones.
c) no worries of hiring newer ones as if they perform below par, they can always be dropped (by getting under the 10 percentile)

We're not GE, moderating staff aren't paid, this is not your average money-making corporation. Moderating is not a job. Carrot-and-stick approach just doesn't work when it comes to volunteers.

Mdoerators are appointed based on contributions and help out as and when they can. They won't be dropped unless they choose to resign, become inactive for long periods of time, or for serious misconduct. Moderators are not and will never be 'graded' or 'evaluated on performance.

We welcome suggestions to make this a better place, and dregbel's point about racial comments will certainly be noted and worked upon. But when it comes to evaluating moderator performance, you really do need to know the internal workings of the system before you will understand the task at hand. Hiring and firing at will is an approach which will definitely not work.

Although i concur with your points on the banning racial inciting posters, the method of evaluating and firing mods isn't suitable for this site, as staffs and moderators are not paid, but rather they work on voluntary basis.

It's amazing how many people want to evaluate our performance and fire us, when they don't pay a single cent to use the forum or furnish us with any form of salary. Sigh.

This post has been edited by altie: Feb 7 2008, 03:54 PM

I am surprised you are suggesting this based on your recent "performance" in xbox section. Besides none of us are paid, most of the mods are doing things voluntary, OR on some cases like Console Couch moderator were chosen by the community via voting.

If you think there is any bias or outrageous moderating, you can always complain here. You just need to remember, this is only a forum. (Internet is serious business!)



By the way should you be ban for continously igniting flame war in the Console Couch > Xbox section? Speaking of irony.

what are you mumbling about?
We the users have made this forum famous and in return gives more revenue in terms of sponsor in this forum.
I suggest that the users shud be respected more.

Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

ROTFLMAO!!!
You freeload off a person's house, use their car, their toilet, their bed, their everything, don't do a single bit for them except complaining about every bit, and demands to be respected?
LOL.. Good thick faced mentality there.

The owner of the site, as I looovvee to say, can choose to close down sections of the sites or the site itself if he wishes. It's HIS site, he MADE us a place so we can build up to be a community. It's still HIS belonging, and we as freeloaders have no rights over his belongings in any way. Therefore I myself am gratetful for this site.


Either way, are we going off topic here?

This post has been edited by Enigmatic: Feb 8 2008, 11:44 PM

Nope, your no where near off topic, IMHO.

You are clearly showing the "mentality" of many LYN forumers here who just don't appreciate the value of a REAL Community and yet vandalise the whole place.

~Cheers!

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Added on February 8, 2008, 11:42 pmEDIT: Made stance clearer.

This post has been edited by natakaasd: Feb 8 2008, 11:42 PM

woo wee
this is the one i waiting for ...


since you can make it famous
you go make penang.com or myseclub.net famous then

you think that this forum start with all the sponsor?
with many system upgrades, for what?
and with waht money to furnished this upgrades?

then you all found out the sponsor money this forum is genarating
maybe you felt slighted cause you dont see a penny of it?

but still it is the owner and the administrator finds way to "make profit"
and the user of this forum is indirectly helping the cause
then you felt that this means you have the right to order thing around


it is not that user cannot suggest something
but things that based on ppl cannot control their own action
is not worthy as a suggestion

if ppl have some restrain and better judgemnet on their action
none of this problem happens

capiche?

very simple - you love the place, please don't be the vandal. please don't be the goon that tarnish the places' image. please don't do unnecessary things that burden the resources available.

remember, just because LYN is free for all and being lenient on some parts that doesn't mean you spam like nobody's business.

do remember that each spam you make and how you behave on the forum DOES have an effect on the system in general - how about learn to be considerate? not just to the founders but also to the rest of the forum participants.

don't be selfish., spare the server resources for everyone to enjoy.

Trust me. I do know what im tokin about.

Firstly, I think u ppl misunderstood my earlier post.
I was referring to altie's comment that we the users do not pay them anything.
And i see that some ppl are going on and explaining the system of the internet.
Lets make it clear.
Internet is money.
Nobody would want to create a website or blog or forum for fun. U dun beleive me? Take a look at ur blog or ur frens blog or sum random picked blogs. You will notice there will be an advertisement box on the side of the page. The more ppl click on it, the more the owner of the blog earns.
It is a simple and starightforward explanation.
I feel that the moderators act as the policemen of this forum. So, ur job is to monitor and maitain the integrity of this forum .
So, pls do not downgrade urself by asking us to shut our mouth when we have a say on this forum's future.

And also, I am also in support of the suggestion by the TS for a proper, special access Kopitiam.
Merci.

This post has been edited by dumbojackson: Feb 9 2008, 01:42 AM

A say in the forum as a member is fine, but consider the way you phrased yourself in the previous post. You phrased it such that you in fact make people misunderstand you. Nobody twisted your meaning, you just were far to vague.

Moderators' JOB? They ain't paid you know, it is volunteer work. AND, they do have the right of speech, which is a request for silence. AND they are no were near downgrading themselves while doing so.

~Cheers!

Alright, we'll discuss this with the rest of the moderating team and come to a solution. Thanks for all the input.