And as we speak, we have one spammer being active at creating spam threads in Kopitiam right now

Forgot to edit this: Its been taken care of

This post has been edited by firedauz: Feb 7 2008, 01:13 PM

Not only that, retards can actually use that to flame people then cover their tracks.

Lol, what mechanism can you create to keep track of those posts that have been deleted without reason?

izzit really hard to comprehend the report function?

iz that hard to ignore the annoyance?

there is a difference between debatable topic and annoying topics
whats annoying to you doesnt mean it's annoying to others

plus for those serious tag "abuser"
its just easy to ignore the topic, and just let it slip down
if the TS keep on ranting idiotically, well
more so for Mod to close it down

but as long there are ppl that discussing in a proper manner
then the topic is valid and this means ppl have other POV different from you
and those who spam in it, is in violation of R&R
and those who don't want to violate the R&R should stayed away

simple as that
those spammer are like idiots that go to carrefour and make a scene that their milk is violating his lactose intolerant stomach
and demand that action be taken towards them(carrefour)
and when got caught by the police for public disturbance,
cried injustice!!!

which basically is idiotic

why wouldnt i just ignore their annoyance? simple, would you wan somebody to come to your house and turn the house upside down..wouldnt you be annoyed by that?

as i said earlier...reporting the posts doesnt do much as the mod team cant cope with ALL the reports that we make...

yup. as i mentioned before (so many times)

if someone uses tag wrongly, click REPORT button.

even if someone tags SERIOUS TALK on nonsense thread, in the end the tag will be removed.

on the other hand, the more concerning issue is that people just refuse to respect the SERIOUS TALK thread in which a decent topic of conversation could just end up down the drain.

again
LYN does not belong to you user
and same goes to kopitiam

speaking of ppl coming to my home and turning it upside down
it is more like all the user is a guest to LYN, the mods as bodyguard to the home owner, VR
and what action to be taken to the annoying person is up to the home owner and his massive bodyguards

or maybe its like you see a person clowning around in shopping mall and you take exception to it
the best you can do is report to the guard for them to take action, if any


cause in real life, different ppl have different perception
same goes here in the forum, what you felt is wrong not necessarily IS wrong
it is easy for the black and white cases, but life is filled with shades of grey


for the lack of manpower,
what i would do is wait, atleast 3days
you would think that these day of age, the information age, move fast
and therefore so does the administrator personel
well info-age babies, though move very rapidly,
they tend to be forgetful

lucky me the mods are not that type yet
they remember the "deeds" by the annoyance
and just biding their time to smite the felon down, hard.

so be a teeny wee bit patient

edit: addenum in red

This post has been edited by mcchin: Feb 5 2008, 08:04 PM

lol... i am not saying that the forum belongs to us users..but more like we are all trying to make LYF a better place to be in...so... i guess lets just wait and see what the admin thinks...

Chasing around the bush, we are doing now.

To have more cilivized discussions, if we have a "more high-class" Kopitiam, then, we wouldn't have people resorting to ignore rubbish threads, because they can find good reads somewhere. At least, the "Better Kopitiam" can serve to be a more reliable and cleaner place to discuss trivialities.

~Cheers!

i dun see the problem with kopitiam ... its the forumers that make the forum not the section .... those tards who post firsttt seconnddd .. u report he gets banned .. nobody does it anymore .... another tard opens a thread with serious tag saying like my e-penis is larger than urs. discuss .. u report it ... removal of serious tag or he being banned .. nobody will do it again .. like for instance tam_ironcup getting a 7 day CNY holiday from se7en ... for creating mindless thread....

by u urself the kopitiam-ers weeding out the bad 1 .. u get the old kopitiam back ...

the real problem about kopitiam is the racial bias. any other than that is fine with me. once something racial is triggered, u will see dozens of retards swarming their racism-intended opinions and neglecting others feelings. it just need someone like unknown warrior to trigger this and u'll see how the mechanism is proven.

who's stupid now? the one who reports or the complete zero tolerance turd who spam their way into degrading other race? i usually report when the thread started to get wild, sometimes mods are late, it was understandable, but names like ah wang, which i think low-balling from his mod duty just sit there and enjoy the show.

i think it's really the time to express this. it's a shame that racism is a downturn for LYN. have u ever seen a Malay throwing racist remarks to the chinese in this forum except for the obviously ignorant nick like u-know-who ?

i agree if this is part of the situation we're living in, where lack of tolerance still being practice, but why here? LYN is suppose to cater for modernist, technocrats, hobbyist, geeks and nerds (whatever u call it, to me it's fine).

we need more Malay mods, period!

This post has been edited by dgrebel: Feb 6 2008, 08:43 AM

I can't speak for every one of the other mods, but I would have to personally agree with you that we (or maybe myself?) could do better when it comes to handing out banhammers for racist remarks. As you've mentioned, the majority of the mod team are Chinese, but then it's because the majority of LYN members are Chinese as well. Not that this is an excuse. I've handed out suspensions for nasty comments made about ethnicity other than my own, but we'll try to (and must) do better. But the last thing we need is a racial quota for mods; that's just going to perpetuate the problem and it presumes that we can't be fair just because we're of this race and not the other.

It's a mistake to say that one particular race is the more frequent target; based on experience it's not as lop-sided as you think. But still, it's not an excuse for not treating all complaints equally. (and I think that most of us have been around kopitiam long enough to know that u-know-who is a forum character that's playing to real-life stereotypes and if you take his posts seriously then it's a sure sign of how new you are )

hurm.. i'll do my best to ignore them.

thanx.

a more stringent punishment and less-than-tolerant policy toward racial issues must be implemented. i cant find any reason why anyone would bother to post something like i quoted below than to incite a racial imbalance. the poster should receive a banhammer straight away with no warnings! but i am not here just to talk about him. ALL racial stereotypes must be dealt with no leeway! any racial comment that makes the mod frown should be marked, deleted, and have the posted banned. if this is the biggest problem in kopitiam, why does it have to be dealt as if they deserve any tolerance?

QUOTE(question? @ Feb 2 2008, 11:51 AM)

The smartest Malaysian should be a Chinese. I'm not racist. Genetically speaking, Chinese should be the smartestest. It's just the same thing with a tall Jew and a fat Arab

do you guys evaluate the job that mods do? im sure some mods perform under-par. if you could implement 20-70-10 system like General Electric does i have faith that system will improve. think about this, the system GE adopted made them into one of the more profitable and efficient companies throughout the globe.

for those who doesnt know, its a system that rewards the top 20%, keep the 70%, and fires the last 10%. I do not have any solid plan as of how it can be retrofitted into the mods-evaluation process, but i am sure it has a lot of benefits: mods cant lay idle, they have to be active and earn to keep their badge, if they arent willing to contribute to make this forum a better place probably they dont deserve to be a mod in the first place. this system also allows you guys to find fresh and new talents, some people dont show their true self when they get the job in their hands. it's a system that has been proven to work.

I'm guessing the admins (gold tags) would look at moderating logs daily so I guess we are being evaluated in a way. *hurries off to act on reported threads*

The GE system wouldn't work because none of us are compensated for our time spent here. The only rewards are the occasional dinner gatherings and the opportunity to compare the membership size of our personal 'fan clubs' (and goldfries has recently raced to the top of the league).

goldfries is nice, that's true. but i digress

ok what about dropping the bottom 10% after so and so period. i wonder if there's any records on bad moderation by mods (misuse of power, negligence, etc)

Instead of dropping mods, why not start choosing and promoting some members to be mods. At least, there are some who can help man other sections that may be overlooked.

~Cheers!

when GE fire their workers, they replace them too, but they also absorb newer ones and their number of workers accumulate. we should drop mods if they are below the 10 percentile, and hire new mods to replace them bad apples and also get a few newer ones.

a) prevent them from idling too much (evaluation)
b) get newer faces who probably could do a better job than the replaced ones.
c) no worries of hiring newer ones as if they perform below par, they can always be dropped (by getting under the 10 percentile)

We're not GE, moderating staff aren't paid, this is not your average money-making corporation. Moderating is not a job. Carrot-and-stick approach just doesn't work when it comes to volunteers.

Mdoerators are appointed based on contributions and help out as and when they can. They won't be dropped unless they choose to resign, become inactive for long periods of time, or for serious misconduct. Moderators are not and will never be 'graded' or 'evaluated on performance.

We welcome suggestions to make this a better place, and dregbel's point about racial comments will certainly be noted and worked upon. But when it comes to evaluating moderator performance, you really do need to know the internal workings of the system before you will understand the task at hand. Hiring and firing at will is an approach which will definitely not work.

Although i concur with your points on the banning racial inciting posters, the method of evaluating and firing mods isn't suitable for this site, as staffs and moderators are not paid, but rather they work on voluntary basis.

It's amazing how many people want to evaluate our performance and fire us, when they don't pay a single cent to use the forum or furnish us with any form of salary. Sigh.

This post has been edited by altie: Feb 7 2008, 03:54 PM