mind post a video of you playing? i'm curious how LTCL level plays. did you choose zigeunerweisen as one of your pieces?

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 15 2008, 01:52 PM

he probably thought FTCL is the end of learning journey.

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 15 2008, 02:22 PM

it's alright.

oh i didn't know you're cellist! dang i should have noticed since your big name written there Cello lol! paiseh!

got tons of career path leh.

if you're learning violin, you can become violin virtuoso, teacher, orchestra player, play for functions/events. apart from instruments specialist, there's also music composer, arranger, film scoring, conductor, music transcribe.

that's only classical music type leh. there's also a long list if we're going to talk about modern music.

a kind advice from me who has worked in this industry for few years. you can be performer and songwriter, but singer? that's hell a lot of effort and the return is so little unless you have the potential of becoming a real "star". it's not about you put more effort then you'll get returns. it's just not the same thing.

not trying to put your passion down, but this is the reality. only 1% of the singer will success. unless, you want to go for it without expecting any returns, but to fulfill your dream.

oh no...we're getting far far away from topic.

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 18 2008, 02:28 AM

mind you, the return is not just money. nevermind, you'll know when you get there. good luck to you.

"Shucks!! ........money...." - quote by Barret (final fantasy )

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 18 2008, 05:51 PM

just wondering, if you guys wannt further study music in college/uni, what kind of course you'll take? classical? modern music? music production?

i'm more interested in your personal choice than your lecture between these courses.

PS: in fact, i can tell you even more than what you've elaborated.

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 19 2008, 11:20 PM

what's the big problem of answering my basic question? i'm sure the answer should be way more simple than what you've said.

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 19 2008, 11:29 PM

what the hell? nevermind...i'm on the wrong channel i guess...

PS: regarding your comments about the courses and type of musics (and some of your insights about your career), well, i can only say that, you're still young, my friend.

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Added on April 20, 2008, 1:09 amok this is getting distracting as this is a strings family thread. i'm going to suggest a thread about music education and career, so everybody can ask questions or share opinions.

This post has been edited by little ice: Apr 20 2008, 01:16 AM

dancing_violin, sombody gonna flame you.

(i have nothing against what you're trying to say, though. everybody has their own opinions and preferences.)

who cares, as long as it's a bow'ed string instrument...

and funny that the bow is stucked within the erhu, between the strings. but that's how it's played, you don't need to care about bowing angle, though less articulations involved.

it's like i don't appreciate?

i was merely refering to the whole conversation, and it goes like this:

This post has been edited by little ice: May 12 2008, 12:29 AM

ah...LYN is such a good place for advertisement.

if you used to electronic tuner/PC, you'll won't be able to tune during performance.

first, pianist and violinist enter the hall, then 3rd people who's stage crew carrying a laptop, then the violinist tune and looking at the laptop, then the crew go back with the laptop...

or, every violinist bring out a small device which is electronic tuner, so everyone start to tune, but the tuner is capturing everyone's sound so the tuner indicator jumping up and down, then everyone start to scream "stfu i'm tuning"...

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italians are overrated and overpriced nowadays.

yeah, for beginner you can use electronic tuner first. then if you've fimilar with tuning the violin you can start to learn how to tune with tuning fork, or best learn how to tune with piano or follow your teacher's tuning (say like in string quartet there's no piano).

orchestra tuning goes like this:
oboe as the tuning reference -> concertmaster (first chair of first violin) follow oboe -> brass follow CM -> lower strings follow CM -> upper strings follow CM

of course different orchestra might have different tuning method but that's generally how it works.

no objections, but...

italians are overpriced and overrated, means it's a waste of money to buy italians nowadays (especially brand new instruments).

italians are certainly not bad, but to get the same quality without italian names one can save a HELL lot of money (usually, less than half of the price). generally "real" italians are going at least RM40k~RM50k at the very least. RM10k'ish italians are mostly done by apprantises (and some not even under supervision of the master), and for that price, mostly it's made from white instruments (pre-made pre-assembled violins with no varnish, ready for fine carving/varnishing) came from china.

not to mention, because everyone is looking for italians, fake italian labels and idiot sellers/scammers are everywhere in the world. unless you've seen the real deal, and have the skill to determine if it's a good instrument.

i wouldn't recommend italians at this range, they're more or less money investments where the italians will only increase of its value and almost never drop. unless you have the few hundred thousands or even millions to buy old master instruments - they're the best in the world.

PS: oh and by the way, give any MPO players to play your cheapo instruments, they'll make it sounds like expensive instruments...

wow RM60k...some more can bring back a few of them...man you're rich lol!

nevermind with the fake italians, buying directly from reputable dealers or luthier is the best but expecting to pay for similar price you paid. anything lower than RM30k just have to be careful especially those RM10k'ish ones. I've seen some RM20k italians those are made by apprantises and final touch up by master luthier - as told by the luthier to the dealer and to me.

of course if talking about middle range instruments below RM20k there're a lot of choices where one can't determine which country make the best instrument. players have to seek for the right instruments pretty hard as the quality vary quite a lot.

i just share some of my experiences. i've met some MPO violinist, one of them have RM15k'ish unknown violin and sounds really good. one of my friend also has an old french violin a few decades old, around RM22k sounds great. i've heard some lower range german violins (below RM10k) which usually doesn't sound good. i also met one very very good violinist, he bought a RM4k german violin from Chamber music and it turned out it should have cost RM10k and above - and he produce a very good sound out of it.

by the way the initial question was asking for a step up from Euro String violas. for violas, i've heard a china viola cost around RM4k'ish sounds very good - probably because of the player though.

i'd say play as much instruments as you can before giving out the money to the cashier - be it from shops or from other players. then you'll know which price range you'll appreciate.

but still, i'd recommend anything else than italian if one can pay RM60k for an instrument. don't get me wrong, italians are generally very good and they also serve as a very good investment as well, but if one going to save money, there're a lot of great makers around the world worth a look. i'm surprised that many award winning violin makers are american. they won competition participated by makers around the world, some even won competition held in italy.

This post has been edited by little ice: May 26 2008, 02:03 PM

ah ok...

it's at the 3rd floor in Sungai Wang. they're selling some instruments there including italians, last time I check they also carry some italians going for RM40k~RM60k, along with some other used violins for sale - some of them are actually consignments.