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 ☆Fellowship of the Strings☆Violin,Viola,Cello etc., ~String Instruments Lovers are welcome!~

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post Dec 5 2010, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(kitty lee @ Dec 5 2010, 05:30 PM)
Liez, do u knw how much they would charge for the violin lessons  per month at the music academy of performing arts? and where is the location in sunway, petaling jaya? pls & thank you.  biggrin.gif any landmarks near the academy?
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The fee there is about RM100++ not very sure...Didnt go there for quite some times already. Nearby Sunway Giza...They have like 2 whole blocks of shop lot.

QUOTE(ilovestitch @ Dec 5 2010, 05:44 PM)
i tot that academy put more emphasis on child's musical education
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Everything...Child vocal, Adult vocal ....Their vocal class very good.... Their guitar also not bad....they have one of best drummer teacher u will ever find (He was my 1st and best drum teach I ever have).... child's group lesson for vocal, violin, choir ETC.... They have quite many teachers for violin and also piano also...Facilities are good. Not only emphasize on children's music education but anyone included adult, professional...etc..... its quite a good place to learn music in.
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post Dec 6 2010, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(ilovestitch @ Dec 5 2010, 07:56 PM)
adult violin class also got?
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post Dec 9 2010, 07:14 PM

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wad show is that? modern electronic string ensemble? hmm.gif
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post Dec 9 2010, 07:45 PM

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wow...nicely....i like the yu zhou chang wan...

still prefer the original persian market with its own acoustic specialty ... with drums in it sounds modern.... but you guys doing a good job... Well done~*

oh yea....i like girls who play cello....they are one of those coolest girls in the world. wub.gif

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post Dec 9 2010, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Dec 9 2010, 08:06 PM)
Liez...thanks. You should've been in our Concert yesterday.

We dont want to play the same old boring songs all Bands play in Weddings and corporate Events. Why become  copycats like all of them??  yawn.gif

I really dislike seing bands that sound alike. You know la...the same old boring guitar, guitar and more guitar! It is VERY hard to see a band without any guitar. So boring, predictable, lame! Nothing original. They all sound the same.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............

That's why we dont use any silly guitar anymore like all the bands in town.
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I broke my leg....lol....cant walk for at least a year. laugh.gif

if the group was the one that you formed....I will say they are perfectly good.... As long as there is one good cellist and 3 very good string players/melody players to syn together...they can play any songs and remix any classical song....The band (its called quartet but who cares what they call anyway) you formed is really good.... with a good soloist (the girl who played yu zhou chang wan) and a good cellist....everything becomes alot easier. they should get together mroe and play anything they like... can include some songs with catchy beats too such as viva la vida, romeo juliet, palladio, phantom of the opera.... I used to jam them in both normal band (guitar drum keyboard ones) and also the classical band.....both have their own taste.....and being able to jam in a classical music band seriously give you orgasm.... but all the palyers gotto gel together and understand each other really well....

so if they are real good friends and having some jamming sessions...its really good.... icon_rolleyes.gif and all of them gotto have discussion session of course.... and u have the advantage of a good pianist means good keyboardist who can use to play all the specail effects such as basss drum or whistle etc.....
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post Dec 10 2010, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(Mr. Z @ Dec 10 2010, 12:43 AM)
My sister has been bugging me for a beginner violin, do you think there is any suitable one for a range of 200 - 300? I personally like the viola though.. lol...

I was thinking of getting one for her to fiddle with as xmas present...
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Most violin at the price range of RM200-RM300 sounds almost the same... Of course there will be some below average products but chances of getting them is less than 1%. SO I will say not to worry whether it is suitable or not... but if you really concerned about it just bring her to the music school and try it. EUro String model 100 or model 200 (about RM500) sounds the good one at the moment....

YOu can also try other brands.....There are too many brands for violin in this price range and trust me.....What is important is the sound and the peg is not hard to turn around (wont keep loosening after tighten it)

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ooO...and the market is short of violist.... not much ppl wanna learn viola..... so if you have a chance to learn it....do learn it and you will find many places need you.

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post Dec 10 2010, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(empire @ Dec 10 2010, 12:42 PM)
Liez..you are 100% right. Not many people wanna learn Viola...which is why Violists are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo in demand all the time...while Violinists have to battle it out to survive...cos too many violinists around the world!

For every 1 Violist....there are easily 10,000 more Violinists!
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indeed true.... I got a friends who is superb in violin changed to viola. How good is he??? Erm ATCL at young age...finish playing Mendelssohn violin concerto in E minor, Zingerunerweison, carmen fantasy, tchaikovsky D major violin concerto....etc..... many many years ago. 10 times better than me and is only 18 years old.... changed to viola but recently joined the AYO in Hong Kong....The violin's competition is too great....Of course you don't compete with different league fellows ....Juz gotto bring the best out of yourself and improve on your pace....thats it.

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post Dec 11 2010, 09:21 PM

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fact is try to avoid learning string instruments in yamaha. Its not that they are not good.... But its not recommended since their cert is hardly recognized, fees are overpriced and syllabus seems quite funny to me. oO yea....their instruments are overprice too. Of course, To be fair to them.... They really made quality pianos and keyboard which became my favorite brand for all percussion instrument (included piano/keyboard).
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post Dec 12 2010, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Dec 12 2010, 02:43 AM)
if you're talking about yamaha music school, not academy, the only yamaha syllabus string instrument is a group violin class, and is pre-required the student to have attend and pass a few grades of the JMC classes. and that's only a second instrument learning instead or primary.

the rest of the violin teachers are like regular music school, 1 to 1 lesson (unless stated otherwise), using ABRSM/Trinity syllabus.
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oops...I guess I am sorry....It only applied to piano and electone. I always thought they have syllabus for all kinds of instruments. hmm.gif
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post Dec 31 2010, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(liwei92 @ Dec 30 2010, 03:22 PM)
I want to learn violin but hard to find a teacher? any1 knw where to learn or who to teach at pjss2?
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maybe you can try some in PJ...

-AmPAC: the plus thing about ampac is they had their own orchestra the last time I went, they had this big hall and own string ensemble/ orchestra so learners might have a chance to join groups like that.

http://www.ampac.com.my/

-The Music Professionals Academy of Performing Arts... also will be a good choice... They too produced many fine classical music students.

http://www.musicproacademy.com
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post Jan 3 2011, 10:51 PM

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hey dey....juz wanna share with you guys the new bow I just got.... its a brand called dorfler made from pernambuco wood. I'd spent my last 6 months working like hell and save like hell just to get this bow.

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Weight: heavy - As I loved heavy bows since I prefer songs from the romantic period. I need heavy bow to give much more expression than usual.
smoothness: not smooth - sad.gif this is the only thing I don't like about the bow. It required me to control it really well (extra strength wasted) in order for its flow to work nicely.
volume: sure dam loud.... brows.gif imagine a heavy bow without smoothness... Really love the volume produced.
spiccato: yea....can do spiccato albeit its heavy but had to control the bow really well as compared to light bows where you can do it easily.
price: about RM3k (RM2900++)

This is my first pernambuco bow... Well, quite like it but tbh its far from the high end bow that I dreamed of. Its good in playing romantic period song... but one has to control it really well to play the likes of classical and 20th centuries.

QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 3 2011, 02:01 PM)
I'm quite depressed because no matter how long and how hard I practiced, I just can't improve..

Unlike piano, you sit infront the piano for 2 hours to practice a song you can at least play until the end without mistakes but not so dynamically.

Violin is so different from piano ! Gosh... I think it took a DECADE or even a CENTURY (exaggerating) to master the violin.

I understand the theory of learning music, you cannot skip this skip that. You must learn in a proper order

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I had a student who finished Grade 8 in 16 months, believe it or not. brows.gif

of course, I wasn't the one who guided him for 16 months fully.... He enrolled in April. he has Grade 6 piano and good ears ( dun relaly know whether its perfect pitch anot, but if it isn't then he has really good relative pitch). In April, that was my mum started to guide in all the basics...how to hold violin etc... then he finished grade 1 scale in 1st month, then started to play grade 2 and 3 songs in 2nd month.... It was in August, I started to guide him... my philosophy in training student is 50% scale, 40% studies and 10 % songs. it means I will focus alot on scale and studies.

here's the deal. If you are grade 3 onwards...you should start playing kayser (a study) and focus more on 3rd position (try to familiarize your third position by continuously playing C major on 3rd position)

so in August, I trained his 2nd position...it took him 2 months to master 2nd position, at the same time, I make him master his Grade 5 scale. So for his studies, he played Kayser, positional study (a china book that let you master different position)...songs? I used suzuki ...

In November, he registered for his Grade 5 exam. In November itself, I started his Grade 8 scale ( to those who are doing Grade 8 now or done it....you will know only one word can be referred to Grade 8 scale- HELL ) . Its hard but he didnt give up.... I will wanna cry out if I was him. he is a tough guy at the age of 17 at that time. In December....I realized he mastered half of his Grade 8 scale.... I made him registered for his grade 8 exam.

now as a tutor...I realized...I have only 8 months to prepare for his grade 5 and 8 exam.... He finished most of grade 8 scale in January and I started his first piece of grade 8 song. but then I stop. I further trained and try to perfect only his scale and studies..... In February, I passed him to my teacher who got a shock when he knew that hes gonna take grade 8.... my teacher keep on saying he's not gonna make it for some times.... I said... he is not a skipper....he's got basics....that was what I had been training him for the past 6 months. Through hard work....He passed his grade 5 (which he didnt care at all ...lol) and grade 8....

now this student....how did he make it?
-he practised about 6-8 hours a day.
-he got good ears
-he's discipline and determine
-he listen to his tutor and so he practised nothing but basic.....
-he did studies....after he went to my teacher. my teacher gave him kreutzer (another more difficult study). and I became his friend eventually and lend him some of my studies....including Hrimaly, sevcik...etc.

see? everything is possible...but practise is a must!

QUOTE(aric6 @ Jan 3 2011, 08:59 PM)
i am currently looking for a girl/ lady who knows how to plays violin to perform in an upcoming commercial.

Anyone here interested?

Kindly drop me a mail at erik.talent@gmail.com
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mind being more specific? i.e: age range, is appearance important (i.e: face, height etc), is there payment for it, the difficulty of the piece to be played. I have some student's contact but more specific details is needed before I even asked them.

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post Jan 4 2011, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(ollec @ Jan 4 2011, 10:02 AM)
Nice, congratulation  rclxms.gif

Could i know how do you choose the bow? like do you tried it out before buying? or try a few or many bows of the same model?

and do you buy personally or from internet? thanks  and enjoy your new toy smile.gif
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of course I tried my bow before I bought it. I hope you do the same. lol. In fact, I borrowed it from the seller for 1 whole week just to test it everyday. Besides taht, I am not a really good bow inspector so I took it for a few friends to inspect... Everyone had different comments ler.... One said not that good, heavy and not smooth... the other said its perfect bow for the price.

how do I choose my bow...hmm... I just told the seller to show me some pernambuco wood violin bow.... He didnt have many....I choose the heavier one (Of course there are even heavier ones) As I said I like heavier bow although light bows are easier to control.

now to choose a bow (this is not a pro advice ler...juz my personal opinion and experience....i sark at bow lol) .... most importantly you look at the wood...its important that a bow must at least have a quality wood like pernambuco .... to me that's all I care for. But for others, they might also look at the screw, the frog and the pastille as these all play a part in determining the value of a violin bow.

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dorfler is a worldwide known brand as the family had been in bow business for 3 generations. here's a website that you can actually learn abit about bows. Many learners choose no to pay too much attenttion to the quality of a bow but the fact is bow is as important a good violin.

http://www.doerfler-bows.com/data/products.html

QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 12:51 PM)
i used to have one gold mounted E.Dorfler that i bought for about RM4400, but it was around 7 years ago. sold it earlier last year for slightly under RM4000...

it was a very balanced bow with very good sound, but having the same "problem" that it's being on the heavy side, and not very smooth. bought an old french bow for RM2700+- that sound 10x nicer and very smooth on strings, with very bold volume yet on the light weight side. biggrin.gif
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oO yea...forgot to add.... as a side note.... it does not necessary mean the more expensive a bow is, the better it is...I once got a RM600 bow borrowed from my previous teacher works better than any other bow I'd tried in my life time...too bad, he took the bow back if not I would have very wanted to buy from him.

and not necessary a bow with good wood and hair will be a good bow.... the most important part is that you can control the bow well, fully utilize the bow's potential to its max and can do spiccato with it. good pastille, frog, screw....all those raise the price of a bow although I had been scratching head asking why.... a lady offered me a bow with good pastille and frog for RM3k but the quality just somewhere around RM1k bow doh.gif WTF i want a pretty bow for? you can use a bow made out of diamond but if you can't control it, you should start displaying it in a box than using it. I personally prefer heavy bows coz I like expressive songs and my strength enables me to control it. biggrin.gif

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post Jan 4 2011, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 05:42 PM)
i reckon that liez is a more capable and knowledgeable person than i am. everybody should listen to him from now on. wink.gif
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huh? I thought this is a forum. Its better to have the more knowledge, the merrier it is right? hmm.gif


QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 4 2011, 07:11 PM)
This guy is crazy !!! Really ! 16 months...... Unbelievable..

It was 2nd month already and I played Grade 2 songs...  Still cannot play very well...

What the hell your student is very diligent I guess I can't be like him......

I think it's my teacher's lazy attitude.... Sigh.. I really should change a teacher YET AGAIN.
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with correct daily basic exercise and hours of hardwork practise everyday, ok lar...and at least some good ears lar... its achievable.

-its not diligence that achieve you something, its hardwork and proper guidance. and try not to give too much attention to examination songs that you are playing... Its the basics that you have to do well. Normally we can't paly well a song becoz we have yet to adapt to the necessary skills involved in the piece. e.g: fingers strength, shifting, fingers movement, and most importantly intonation and bow controlling.

QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 07:51 PM)
my teacher charge RM100 per hour. although i don't recommend, if financial is an issue, he's able to give you lesson per 2 weeks, so it's about RM200 per month, regardless of what grade you're in. he don't do 30mins per week lesson though.

but since liez has produced a record breaking grade 8 holder. why don't you try to learn under him? laugh.gif
i reckon that you don't get carried away too much by all these grading things. acquiring a certain grade only means the player can play those 3 exam pieces, scales, and others that're required in the exam. no more, no less. smile.gif

in the professional world, examination board gradings are practically meaningless. it's about either one can play, or not.
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I dunno whether its record breaking or not. Coz as far as I am concerned, there are more students than I know had achieved this feat. I know guys at my age who finished piano grade 8 in 2 years, a few more who finished grade 8 in 1 year. I did not break the record and the grade 8 student I mentioned earlier was not completed by me alone. And I can't guarantee to achieve this feat to anyone who comes to me. If I am able to, I would probably be millionaire now. Fact is, I am not too fierce type of teacher thus resulting about 80% of my students don't practice their violin/piano. But if they do, I will give them what they need of course.

its not the tutor who produce a good student. with a decent hearing student who practices violin as you told him and with proper method, even you can produce one. Serious.


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post Jan 4 2011, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Jan 4 2011, 11:16 PM)
i don't like the idea of rushing for exams. the reason is very simple, i've seen so many yada yada certs holder who cannot play something decent. it seem that this phenomenon is getting worse each year.

i'd rather produce a student who can really play, than who can pass exams. it's easy to pass exams, but it's difficult to impress the audiences.
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I did that but if the parent kept on pressuring, there will be no choice. So it depends some times, i don't rush them for examinations but if they do want that grade, with the necessary skills, I will try to help them to achieve it.
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post Jan 6 2011, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 6 2011, 09:36 PM)
thanks.

but... i don't understand... playing notes and music...?
i guess the truth meanings aren't simple right?
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playing notes...read the score and play...
playing music.... read the score, understand the song and play with suitable touch.... many definitions. hmm.gif

don't have to care much about those definitions first... just play the violin well is more than enough for lower grade students. all the philosophies should come when you got into Grade 7,8 or diploma.

QUOTE(ilovestitch @ Jan 6 2011, 11:13 PM)
i have problem interpreting the 4 notes that are arranged vertically.... play which note first or how is their rhythm... someone pls help!
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from bottom to top. in your case, press B on A string and G on E string...then 'slash' your bow from G to E string at once...lol.... where I personally prefer playing 2 double stop....which is G and D first then B and G....

in your score, they like you to do the high G for a 3 counts.

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post Jan 7 2011, 12:07 AM

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no need too precise...lol...just play open G, D, B and high G in 1st beat and hold the last note for 3 beats.
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post Jan 7 2011, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(ilovestitch @ Jan 7 2011, 01:36 AM)
so is it necessary to follow the rhythm represented by the notes itself, like the bottom 3 notes (crochets) and the last note 3 (beats)
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yes. nod.gif

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playing violin well includes expressing dynamics and lil bit of expressions of course. What I meant by philosophy goes beyond of what one understands about the piece normally. E.g: knowing the background of the music, for what reasons the composer jot down the piece, how one should express the music like the composer intended to... These are what I meant by philosophies behind the score, again....many names behind it.
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QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 8 2011, 11:08 AM)
Ohh...
I shall say only musicians with passion towards music will search for these philosophies.  It doesn't matter any grade right?  And of course age matters.  Young children wouldn't give a damn for these laugh.gif  .
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some teachers very focus on this...like Mr Brian Tan biggrin.gif
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post Jan 8 2011, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(ilovestitch @ Jan 8 2011, 04:26 PM)
mr brian recover liao?
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recovered. biggrin.gif He was interviewed by reporters about the process of his battle with his illness. Glad that everything is over now.

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