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post Feb 7 2008, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 11:13 PM)
ive slapped a evercool vc-re hsf there. about the high vmch, a few of the wolfdale user need high vmch to get it running higher and i wonder why also.
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its the mem settings the skew..reduce the skew.. get the GTL's right.. and u will have it..u can see my vdimm and that will give u a clue.. i am reducing the strength ...
to a moderate.. technically full strength 1000mhz 1:1 should be closer to 2.3vdimm

ures is more like forcing if by pure vcore powah...

flafinger u sure u want to sell off this batch??

this already pass OCCT... but i usually try one hour..

FPO Q746A332 scales very well

oh yeah uzairi dont try to copy asus x38

their NB stock vcore is 1.2v and that can do 400 fsb since asus X38 supports 1600fsb 45nm native.

but generally i think all mobo's should be around the same..

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post Feb 7 2008, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 7 2008, 11:32 PM)
Bro, one thing i notice is that the small fft setting go hoo haa coz u can only see it at 8k max.

Try custom, Min 8k Max 8k and time to run each fft 1min. That way giving more stress to the proc and faster for 1 round. If Min 8k and Max 8k easy to pass.
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okay will do it but do u know the reason y they made the fft run around 8-10 minutes.. because of the priority cycle..
u need to off all the programs..
its like shooting a gattling gun every 8 mins..
what ure asking is not stress dude.. what ure doing is every 1 min off and on the load and restart...

small fft is to just to test ure L1/L2 cache interaction with ure core.. hence y prime states run 8k min to max 4096 on 15 mins interval..
so wolfdale would be 8k to 6132 max.


what ure saying is every 1 min example on real life on and off a program that stresses ure core... not real world test..
my 2cents.


here is 1 hour pass.

memory stable as hell.. proc also..
perfect.
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QUOTE(flatfinger @ Feb 8 2008, 12:15 AM)
becoz im using different mobo....the motherboard play major rules in voltage...
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so far i know mine scales up to 4.4ghz well
after that its a bit way off...

i think its ure mobo bios prob the way its controlling ure gtl's.

cause if i let this mobo control the gtl/fsb termination/NB.. will be force clocking it.. example was the earlier 1.296v..
i was forcing it to get my mems stable..based on some 65nm overclocking principles and habits..

so went back old school.. took days but now its just awesome..
testing now on 2nd strongest mem setting... bandwidth just jumped a big notch..


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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 12:59 AM)
What i meant for the 1 min per cycle is to make it faster per cycle bro. Read again. It gets the error faster so you no need to wait for quite something.

About stressing it more is the 64k, sorry for the typo.
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ah i see
but hmm isnt 1 min cycle afaik similar to restarting ure stress every 1 min ....
it does not stress the core more just completing the cycle faster..
i suppose it shows the error faster.. but real world.. no meaning.. get what i mean??.. ure running a stimulated test that has no meaning and will not happen..


there must be a reason for this..
cause as i said the prime95 stable test setting is custom smallfft 8k-4096k 15 minutes..


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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 01:15 AM)
Yes i get what u mean. This is what i do, find the error first. If no error proceed with longer time eg. 15 minutes. smile.gif
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well i am running what u ask btw..

just learning to see is there a significance on this error to determine some poor setting..
so far i can see one..

it will stess the core to the lowest vcore..
so ppl wil droop and fluctuate at the end.. might fail..
cause this test will make it go the the lowest.. since its changing every 1 minute

good test uzairi to see any amkong case..
but with ppl who have load line in their bios setting this test is useless..


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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 01:15 AM)
Yes i get what u mean. This is what i do, find the error first. If no error proceed with longer time eg. 15 minutes. smile.gif
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wait retesting ure method again

it seems it clashes with rams.. on 64k..wondering y..

need to read intel proc spec.. on memory mapping.

clash..

hmm the NB voltage..

weird ure test.. on strap 333 1000mhz CL4 okay.... even though it fails memtest.
on strap 400 1000mhz CL4 not okay.. even though all test says its okay

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 03:29 PM)
The 64k mx fft was the original settings of the orthos for the small fft test, not my method. Just that the settings gone berserk after a while if u stress it then stop for quite some time.

The only thing that i tested was the 1 min per round, since it could detect the error faster saving more time to test it.
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64k.. it loads the 1024mb of the mem..

32k is correct.. since l2 cache is 32k...

64 k is incomplete..
if u want to test system.. blend is better..

i wonder the extra 32k which part of the mem it takes .. the higher mem?? or lower..
hmm dunno about u but i get worried when i see half of my rams especially D9's being stressed like that..

hmm dude i tested it 3 times on different settings
confirmed.. ure way is just stressing the ram also.. no wonder it was disapproved.. as the test for small fft is for proc..

if u want to stress the proc further make the max fft 32k. for e8400.


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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 04:22 PM)
Actually it was the default settings for the orthos small fft bro. I know about the 32k for max fft bcoz of the L2 cache. But i am wondering why it is there for default settings ? hmm.gif
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errr flaw??

cause think about it
if its going to take 1gig of ram..
y not just increase the max fft to 4096..

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 04:42 PM)
Im not sure myself but if it stresses it more why not ?
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hmmm 4C less on core
2C more on NB compared than small fft 8k. i think it just stresses the NB and RAMs..

its not proc only...

hmm fast way to kill ure rams.. on 1min..


Added on February 8, 2008, 4:52 pmbut good stuff.. found out need 0.02v more on my NB

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 05:04 PM)
So what do you think ? 64k max fft yay nay ?
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nay..
cause ure purpose is to stress ure proc.. first not ure rams.. or NB..

so 32k max or just leave it at 8k..

my two cents on the topic..

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 8 2008, 05:47 PM)
so if that's the case, i will opt for 32k instead of 8k. Bcoz i noticed that with 8k i can pass it easily. hmm.gif
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err i dunno how much stress u want
err y not go or TAT..

if u pass that.. GOD will come down and bless u..kekeke although i dont think it supports penryn.

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 9 2008, 04:10 AM)
I think my psu limits my oc for now as the voltages pumped are quite high eventho load volts are low and my gc is killing the psu too. If time permits i will retry to oc this baby with a new psu. *hopefully*
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check ure 5v rail.


Added on February 9, 2008, 1:11 pmkeke i find it weird

unknown proc with no screenshot that broke the world record for 4ghz sp1m sold off to unknown person.. easily

my proc with better overclocking result hasnt..
weird..

lowyat admin should allow to have some music .. would play x-files..
unsolved mystery unless..err

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Feb 10 2008, 02:53 PM)
Bro cstkl1, now im using back my old proc E6300. To my surprise the default setting for small fft is min 8k max 64k back normal as usual. I suspect 32kb L1 cache x2... what do you think ?
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same here

weird

plugged in a e6600 and i got back min 8k max 64 k also..

hmm dont trust orthos much nowadays
prefer prime but thats 15 minutes min 8k max 64

something is awefully flawed here..
cause i was testing with two versions of orthos.. have u noticed that with e8400 u always get core 0 failure while core 1 happily chugs along

usually my e6600 and e6850 either both fails.. or either one.. but never always the same core.


Added on February 12, 2008, 4:36 pmdude i found out something and its weird
if u get the older orthos version which u can choose each core..
and run on each no probs when u stress each core by itself

but when u run the 64k test on both.. problem..

hmm tested with a E6600 no issue..
but on e8400 there is..
interesting..


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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 12 2008, 11:45 PM)
Good stuff biggrin.gif
Where did you get it and what's the current price?
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that batch all it lyn and digital mall.
how i know cause thats the one i bought for my friend..

yeah tested that on my friends UT in singapore last weekend
good stuff..



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QUOTE(Volt @ Feb 13 2008, 09:52 AM)
Just curios...if we run orthos, do we need to run it at priority 8 to determine the stability?
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no
priority 1 will do.


Added on February 13, 2008, 11:07 am
QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 12:34 AM)
lol ya i bought it from ALL IT lowyat this afternoon  laugh.gif it was priced at Rm740 i nego nego then they give me RM730 discount Rm10  doh.gif

yeeerrr not good  doh.gif  something bad happen playing games CoD4 , Crysis after 30 minutes got error pop up  cry.gif 
issit my MCH and FSB voltage pump not enuf ?
my mobo Gigabyte P35-DS3P Rev 1.0 F9 bios
currently MCB is 0.20 V
              FSB is  0.20 V

issit not enuf ? pls gimme some suitable voltage for my MCB and FSB pls  wink.gif no idea wats is my stock MCB and FSB voltages wink.gif
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Feb 13 2008, 05:15 AM)
If it's Orthos stable then it shouldn't have this problem. Btw, your previous screenshot doesn't have Orthos running? Did you mistaken Orthos for 3dmark? laugh.gif
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tsk tsk tsk atleast some screenshot laugh.gif

dude get ure fsb termination voltage right before u pump ure NB

rule of thumb for fsb voltage < vcore.

coult be ure rams/nb.. go 1:1 and reduce strength..
run memtest 256/512mb at least to 1000%.. to stress ure NB.

no suitable voltage.. trial and error.. all mobos are different

reduce ure multi get the bus and mem correct since ure vcore is perfect with orthos small fft..

but i do warn u, this proc abit weird.. its very inconsistent at times even if u pass all the test.. no idea why..
tested it on two mobos and same result on 3 different procs, retail and oem.

thats what the discussion with uzairi was all about.
heck for those that have been used to overclocking 500 bus if i tell this they also found it weird 4ghz and 4.25 okay.. 4.5 orthos okay/not okay .. nb/mem not okay/okay..

i trouble shoot and found whenever u go above 480 bus.. this will start..
small fft goes beserk.. prime 95 also..

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:22 AM)
Thx for advice~ notworthy.gif  i'm abit noob in pumping North bridge and Fsb voltage~
base on your advice so i should emphasize on the FSB voltage then only go to MCB aka north bridge voltage ?

so how much i should pump in and wats the max voltage i can pump ? coz i donno wats the stock V for both of them ~~ i scare i fry them  doh.gif
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NB differs from chipset and strap so cannot help u there

fsb as i said < vcore...

the rule for this differs.. some will say force push nb, get the right fsb and go on to reduce NB
me and a few guys i know we did old school for this proc.. from 400fsb till 506 today we have already excelled it on all the voltage for every 5 mhz increament.
so i usually base on that since all of them passed 2 hours min on orthos and memtest 768mb ( choose the number for max a single program that u game.. crysis 512-1024mb should be okay) for 1 hour..


wei uzairi found one more bug...

1st day orthos stable 8 hours
2nd day on the 10 min.. i was unrar a 4gig file.. orthos rounding error.. laugh.gif


Added on February 13, 2008, 11:28 am
QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:22 AM)
so how much i should pump in and whats the max voltage i can pump ? coz i donno wats the stock V for both of them ~~ i scare i fry them  doh.gif

oh ya i did pop into HALTED , 1 error dedected at 4 hours and 13 minutes last nite in Orthos blend doh.gif  doh.gif
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ignore it..
could be fsb could be gtl also..

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:28 AM)
LOL  sweat.gif  shocking.gif  we have fall into intel's Genie pig trap woot  sweat.gif
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later looking to source a ES..

so then i can compare the bug with retail vs ES vs oem.

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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 11:57 AM)
back to 4.2Ghz 467 X9
increase MCB to 0.275 V
increase FSB to 0.25 V
ram back to 1:1
testing orthos now seee can anot ~~hope no error pop up  rclxub.gif

@Vtec(Rock)
1 hour orthos not enuf lol go for 4 hours  laugh.gif
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nah 467 still okay
its only after 480.
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QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Feb 13 2008, 12:34 PM)
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hmm to much vcore for sure..

lower it to load around 1.35v

and ure NB hmm p35 1333 mhz right.
try 1.3-1.6x ure lowest NB voltage
and FSB termination 1.3-1.6x ure lowest fsb termination voltage

tRD 10 on mem ( use memset for now) CL5 1:1..

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