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 [Article] Why you dont need more then ddr2 667mhz, If you dont do 450+ fsb overclocks :)

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post Jan 27 2008, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Jan 27 2008, 02:45 AM)
As you can see, at stock speeds of 333fsb and putting in higher speed rams only changes everything but of one value only. that value is Lavalys write read, and that is the bottleneck that affects gaming and real life usage, the rest are all synthetic tests and do not reflect real life usage. Test it out, 1:1 and with dividers.

That is why if you do not do more then 450 fsb overclocks at 1:1 ratio, ddr2 667 rams are enough to justify. And anyway, not many people do more then 450fsb smile.gif


That is assuming you can push your 667 RAM to 800. If not you'll still have to use 800 RAM.
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post Jan 27 2008, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 27 2008, 09:19 PM)
That is assuming you can push your 667 RAM to 800. If not you'll still have to use 800 RAM.
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true also la, but ask u la, how many people in LYN actually push it above 400, or even 400 .__.

quite few mar hehe tongue.gif

and if 667 rams cant do even 800mhz, i would suggest to snap it into 2 and toss it away lmao, no im serious LoL
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post Jan 30 2008, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Dreamworks @ Jan 27 2008, 03:35 PM)
I'm still curious though, what's the answer to your question? hmm.gif
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Is it due to insufficient voltage? Not enough juice to keep the RAM working at optimal status which causes the bandwidth to drop blush.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Jan 27 2008, 04:56 PM)
Not that i know of, but rams dont drop speed just because of insufficient volts, afaik it BSOD's tongue.gif
No, see closer ;p
actually he posted the picture wrongly,
terbalik di
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post Jan 30 2008, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Radeon @ Jan 30 2008, 09:01 AM)
actually he posted the picture wrongly,
terbalik di
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no la, its because performance level was set at a higher level, its also known as tRD in bios, its the NB FSB latency timing

and no ur not the first to answer it, so no prize for u tongue.gif hahaha
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post Feb 1 2008, 01:13 PM

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waa....
how how how...
need consultation...

i'm using a
Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66 GHz stock
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 2048-6400C5 DHX

want to OC, what is your suggestion ?
please PM me
thanks
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QUOTE(general_odin @ Feb 1 2008, 01:13 PM)
waa....
how how how...
need consultation...

i'm using a
Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66 GHz stock
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 2048-6400C5 DHX

want to OC, what is your suggestion ?
please PM me
thanks
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Read the pinned thread up there.
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post Feb 1 2008, 10:42 PM

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lol.... XMS2.... doh.gif

no comment, you bought paliah punya rams. yes its paliah. lol...

for the same price you could try getting balistix or 10th annies or hell, even the elite rams

Added on February 1, 2008, 10:46 pmoh yeah, btw, there is a intel 45nm thread, you may ask there for better response laugh.gif and happy ocing thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by bryanyeo87: Feb 1 2008, 10:46 PM
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post Feb 4 2008, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Feb 1 2008, 10:42 PM)
lol.... XMS2.... doh.gif

no comment, you bought paliah punya rams. yes its paliah. lol...

for the same price you could try getting balistix or 10th annies or hell, even the elite rams

Added on February 1, 2008, 10:46 pmoh yeah, btw, there is a intel 45nm thread, you may ask there for better response laugh.gif and happy ocing thumbup.gif
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I'd buy the Value RAM's and save some cash if ain't goin' more than 450 FSB. brows.gif
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post Feb 4 2008, 11:24 PM

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at the moment with JUST value ram i can clock 1100Mhz on cl5 laugh.gif nice leh. On Team Value brows.gif
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post Feb 5 2008, 07:12 AM

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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Feb 4 2008, 11:24 PM)
at the moment with JUST value ram i can clock 1100Mhz on cl5 laugh.gif nice leh. On Team Value brows.gif
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That's why ain't needing those high performance yet unless you're going for really high speeds and tight timings all together. Real world performance ain't boost any significance difference for me. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 5 2008, 11:25 AM

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i'm using Crucial Ballisticks 800 2 GB....
just bought it a while ago....and i know the whole 1:1 to thing and any other ratio is crap when i bought it...
but i wanted to push my q6600 to 450 if can...so tats y i bought it....

but now i have not time to OC...but thinking of getting another 2gb ram...
so should i get a 2gb value ddr2 800 ram or get another Crucial Balls?
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QUOTE(bikz @ Feb 5 2008, 11:25 AM)
i'm using Crucial Ballisticks 800 2 GB....
just bought it a while ago....and i know the whole  1:1 to thing and any other ratio is crap when i bought it...
but i wanted to push my q6600 to 450 if can...so tats y i bought it....

but now i have not time to OC...but thinking of getting another 2gb ram...
so should i get a 2gb value ddr2 800 ram or get another Crucial Balls?
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There's DDR2-667Mhz Value RAM's that can go up to 500Mhz. icon_idea.gif

Always remember that 4 sticks is harder to OC than 2 sticks. Should you wanna OC your RAM's it is advised to used the same sticks for all 4 slots if you want to use 4 sticks configuration. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(skymyxe @ Feb 5 2008, 07:12 AM)
That's why ain't needing those high performance yet unless you're going for really high speeds and tight timings all together. Real world performance ain't boost any significance difference for me.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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it's it hynix fpy-5 chipset?

QUOTE(bikz @ Feb 5 2008, 11:25 AM)
i'm using Crucial Ballisticks 800 2 GB....
just bought it a while ago....and i know the whole  1:1 to thing and any other ratio is crap when i bought it...
but i wanted to push my q6600 to 450 if can...so tats y i bought it....

but now i have not time to OC...but thinking of getting another 2gb ram...
so should i get a 2gb value ddr2 800 ram or get another Crucial Balls?
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450 is consider quite low
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post Feb 5 2008, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(skymyxe @ Feb 5 2008, 12:56 PM)
There's DDR2-667Mhz Value RAM's that can go up to 500Mhz.  icon_idea.gif

Always remember that 4 sticks is harder to OC than 2 sticks. Should you wanna OC your RAM's it is advised to used the same sticks for all 4 slots if you want to use 4 sticks configuration.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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hmm...must sleep on this....

QUOTE(Radeon @ Feb 5 2008, 02:00 PM)
it's it hynix fpy-5 chipset?
450 is consider quite low
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how far can i push my DDR2 800 than? 500 fsb can?
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post Feb 6 2008, 12:09 AM

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my dear kiddo, welcome to crucial ram. u can do 600Mhz FSb with this fellas.
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my dear kiddo, welcome to crucial ram. u can do 600Mhz FSb with this fellas.


how old are u la...if i''m Kiddo?? brows.gif

thanx...this give me more smangat to contunue my OC...must find time only now...zzz...

but if xtra cash...will wanna go for 4gb.... hope CNY is menguntungkan banyak banyak this year...
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QUOTE(skymyxe @ Feb 4 2008, 11:17 PM)
I'd buy the Value RAM's and save some cash if ain't goin' more than 450 FSB.  brows.gif
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another thing to moot is that, high fsb = high Northbridge temps and the possibility of raising the NB voltage.

cstkl1 has brought up something interesting is that tRD vs fsb vs timings, so sometimes having uber high fsb is bad too...


QUOTE(Radeon @ Feb 5 2008, 02:00 PM)
it's it hynix fpy-5 chipset?
450 is consider quite low
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nah, fpy5 kinda suxxors nowadays, those before nov 2007 is ok la haha
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im old enough laugh.gif mind you that 2*2GB kits dont carry chips that can go up to 1200Mhz a.k.a they dont use Micron d9gmh or any of those OC variants.
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post Feb 12 2008, 02:05 AM

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link to show how wrong u are..on this whole thread. heck i would close it instead of misleading ppl..

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=15601628

Added on February 12, 2008, 2:06 am
QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Feb 10 2008, 02:46 PM)
another thing to moot is that, high fsb = high Northbridge temps and the possibility of raising the NB voltage.

cstkl1 has brought up something interesting is that tRD vs fsb vs timings, so sometimes having uber high fsb is bad too...
nah, fpy5 kinda suxxors nowadays, those before nov 2007 is ok la haha
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uik i never said that..
the problem with uber high fsb..
u need straps 400..
and how many mobo has that..
most of them are 333..
thats y the NB voltage is god damn high.
cause this mobos with strap 400 .. supports 1600fsb native at their stock voltage... PLL. NB. BUS.. which is around 1.5/1.25/1.12 like can do it but the rest on lower straps can no way do fsb 400 with 800 CL3 at those voltages


the inital findings for the E8400. i was wrong..
y?? cause it wasnt the same for clocking a 65nm..

but it is true for 65nm proc need a lot of NB.. cause ure fsb termination voltages are kindda high..

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Feb 12 2008, 12:51 PM
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yala thats why i said it is bad to have extremely high fsb la sweat.gif


i wouldnt say the thread is misleading, because the point is to find what and where exactly is the bottleneck in the NB to the rams, which was the Memory Read, which does not increase unless FSB is pumped
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