Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 ICAP, traded price higher than NAV

views
     
mindful
post Oct 9 2014, 03:30 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
216 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 9 2014, 09:08 AM)
huh?

Ok. I do not mind repeating.

This year or rather recently.

What did he say?
He warned about overvalued markets.

No problem.

That's his opinion.

Last year he made the following statement: "Shares on Bursa Malaysia are not cheap… many stocks are overvalued at present,”.

Proof that I do no twist any words: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...overvalued.aspx

Every year he also say markets overvalued. Am I twisting this statement?

Well Uncle Ah Goog very powderful.
Cannot run cannot hide.

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/features/18...uy-on-dips.html

Scroll down and you will see the following statement. whistling.gif
Yup, since 2010, he insisted the markets not cheap/valuations not attractive and then overvalued and more overvalued.

That's what he says each year.

And each year, this stock, this closed end fund, has seen its cash balances increased....

Can you find annual reports online?

Here's 2011 annual report link:  http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...ncements/917504

Look for the balance sheet.

Can see short term deposits + cashand bank balances?
In 2010 the total cash was 103,925,260.
In 2011 the total cash was 115,907,950

Latest: the total cash balances is more than 240 million.

You tell me what he's doing as a fund manager?

He's collecting cash by disposing some of his good stock picks (like I said, I do give him credit for starting the fund at the right time and picking some good stock picks).
Cash increased from 103 million to 240 million.
Every year when he's embarking on this strategy, he claims the market is overvalued....

Fact: In 2010, the CI started at 1272 points.
What's the CI today?

Answer? ........................................ whistling.gif

Read this again: http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/61168.jsp
If you understand what was written above, clearly iCapital has done rather poorly since 2010.
Why?
Cos the fund played safe and adopted a cash policy...
BUT each year, market grew higher and higher, which means his strategy to stick to cash is wrong!

It's like football.
The team score 2 goals in the first 5 mins...
then decide to play safe for the rest of the match.

For sure: result wise, that team above did very well (IF they hold on) and win the match.
But for fans.... they have to endure a very boring and lifeless match for the rest of the 85 mins.... wink.gif

Yes, for some it's acceptable but for some... it's a no.

Back to the original statements.
Every year, Teng Boo says markets overvalued.

Well if he keeps this up...
and since the fact that no market can go up forever and ever....
soon... one year.... he will be correct.

And our markets...
they are rather selective in memory....
they will remember his statement for saying market is overvalued....

and since he is correct for that year (in the future)....
yes, most likely he will be considered a genius!

biggrin.gif
*
thumbup.gif
mindful
post Nov 25 2014, 12:34 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
216 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
I lost a lot of years salaries following his advice on newsletter. I was told later that you invest with your risk. TQ.
mindful
post Aug 24 2015, 10:43 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
216 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2015, 08:59 PM)
The history data for KLCI,
1 Jan year, index

2007 -- 1096
2008 -- 1443
2009 -- 878
2010 -- 1272
2011 -- 1524
2012 -- 1523
2013 -- 1685
2014 -- 1865
2015 -- 1757

Currently at 1574, has not yet below 2012, 2011 level.
*
Why did you use 2011 and 2012 data? And I quoted its most recent newsletter, "in fact, the ceo of capital dynamics has, since 2014 , been described as the most bearish fund manager.....".
mindful
post Aug 25 2015, 10:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
216 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
My question is about his integrity. Did you start viewing the market as overvalued or he became bearish since 2011, 2012, 2013 or as quoted in recent newsletter, 2014?? Can someone answer this please?
mindful
post Aug 27 2015, 03:55 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
216 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 27 2015, 03:51 PM)
I taught the fund objective is to buy undervalued stocks.

So Icap is not undervalued on current price?
*
No it is not undervalued on current price because people discount his capability tongue.gif
mindful
post Aug 27 2015, 04:28 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
216 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 27 2015, 04:02 PM)
Mind you...one really needs to gauge his character too.
*
When I asked people here is he 'bersih', nobody said anything so I thought I was being too skeptical lah!

If you are talking about his taking of 32m so far for sitting, I am not sure if I agree entirely but it does smell to me.

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0435sec    0.98    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 17th December 2025 - 07:38 AM