How much would Canon 400D (with kit lens) cost now (street price)?

if i consider what i spent so far, probably could get a 5D and a few more stuff. but hey i rather stick to the lower range stuff and have more lens.

I second that, having a good lens is more important than body. It's the major factor that will affect your whoaaaa-ness compared to upgrading the body.

derek: Next monday perhaps? go where lim teh? as long as its in kl

by the time i have enough for 40D i think the replacement for the 5D will be out liao, i can hunt for 2nd hand 5D

Yo... Just let you guys know that I had confirm with my personal test that 5D image quality is obviously better than both my 30D/40D. The quality of rendering and actual sharpnes in detail due to higher SnR is obvious!

FF is FF.... Even a 2 years old FF still beat my relatively new 40D!

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Mar 13 2008, 02:20 PM

you're missing the point la.

for X price, APS-C body + a bunch of lens would allow you to have more range of shots compared to FF body.

can show you picture, you also won't know if it's taken by what kind of body.

its Full Frame maa..

btw..sumone told me that price of 450D would be around 2.7k. and available end of this month.

hmm bro, u thinking of getting kah?

2.7k plus kit lens? Haihz... hope its end of this month....

no lah.

This statement is incorrect.

First case -> If anyone shooting some picture with 85L +5D wide open for some potrait like kids in a garden, experinced shooter can know it is from FF becasue crop factor cannot reproduce the same amount of background blur. And if fact, from seeing the way how the background blur, already know which brand & lense.

Second case -> If you should with 5D with Sigma 12-24 lense at 12mm, experinced photographer also know they are from FF + Sigma 12-24 because it is so wide. And it cannot be reproduce with other crop factor camera or other lenses

Third case -> Experince photographers also can tell potrait pictures taken with 300 f2.8 wide open on FF. Again, similar beautiful bokeh and perspective cannot be reproduce by other crop factor camera and lenses.

I just mention 3 cases... there should be much more...

dunno should i go for a 2nd hand 30D...@ go for another lens and stick with my 350D....><!!!!! ~~~~hardly to choose haha~~

Depends on what you shoot la... 30D has better and more reliable autofocusing

So see if you need that lo...

aiseh you didn't get what i was implying.

all the cases you mentioned are
1. shots that gave way / hint that people can pick up
2. requires experienced photographer to detect

my point was that the general public won't even know what body / brand / lens was used to snap a picture.

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Added on March 13, 2008, 4:04 pmsee if TheVOIP can give you discount. then sell your 350D.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Mar 13 2008, 04:04 PM

Not only that... most pictures from newspaper, especially those sport section can easily tell thier lense used also... It seems most are using 400 f2.8.

Some time from a group pictures also can tell... If everything is so perfect with no distortion... and you see the relative size from faces to faces to get the focal length.... then compare first row to second to confirn the focal length... see how the storing light source spread into star, and you also can basically get the lense used liao.

By the way, it is not easy to take a simple.... but perfect group picture And it is why it is so easy to tell. And that's no lucky behind the result.

This post has been edited by TheVoIP: Mar 13 2008, 04:11 PM

that still doesn't help in disproving the fact that the general public (and even photographers) won't even know what body / brand / lens was used to snap a picture.

if he dun mind for slow payment i dun mind haha~~~@ else i go trade in YL there~~

Can I consider myself as general public?

I see my friends also can see what lenses being used to take pictures.

hurmm.........

I love flash!!!
A whole new world to me...