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League MSR rFactor Season 5 - BMW M3 GTR CUP, Round 6 : Zandvoort - 18/4/08

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post Apr 9 2008, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 9 2008, 02:32 PM)
Fiddled around with my FFB and controller sensitivities last nite. In the end i managed to come up with a combination that much more stable around the tight corners in Valencia. Steering is much frenlier too.

With the same style and effort, with my settings, i lost 0.6s-0.7s per lap with my usual FFB strength and shave the same amount of time with reduced FFB strength. Im talking about the steering resistance and not other feebacks.
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Ressitance of the steering is really really an issue one must addressed to drive correctly with realfeel. The MMG mod and FSR mod would need least resistance since default resistance is too high.

It goes to show that you know where and how to sort the problem. I always know that it's a matter of time before you sorted out the slow pace issue.
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post Apr 9 2008, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(dzariq @ Apr 9 2008, 10:25 PM)
already tried that..when not running rfactor the temp is 80..when running rfactor it rises up to 120..what should i do?
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95 degree? I dont think your core reported correct temp. Yes it's hot but I dont think it's correct.

Have you gauge it by using a hand on technique? Btw Try lowering the vcore, vhtt.
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post Apr 9 2008, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(dzariq @ Apr 9 2008, 10:39 PM)
until 122 celsius my cpu shuts down..hand technique?.hows that?..how to lower vcore,vhtt?.
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122 degrees? If you put a hand on 122 you will know how it feels...... It can't be, it would fried the cpu already. BIOS dood, you can google for it depends type of mobo u use.
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post Apr 9 2008, 10:59 PM

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The only processing unit in a desktop capable of taking such temp is a GPU. And even that is considered hot and will burn your hand if you touch it.

No need, update the BIOS. Dont worry for some reason 1 out of 100 mobos will report way incorrect temp. And this doesn't matter as long as the heatsink is warm.

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post Apr 9 2008, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(dzariq @ Apr 9 2008, 11:00 PM)
is the bios is always true?
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Nope BIOS is not always true. It is close sometimes......
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post Apr 9 2008, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(dzariq @ Apr 9 2008, 11:04 PM)
then..could it be virus in my computer.?showing false temperature at bios?
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Nope, it's just the hardware sometimes acting strangely. A bios update could cure the issue.

Sorry OT, Enough of this let's continue racing.

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post Apr 10 2008, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 10 2008, 05:37 PM)
On the other hand, when u thought uve solve something....another prob arises, as ive encountered last nite...too twitchy off the corner and too slow mid corner (Didnt have this the day before lol). And i would think it can be caused by too sensitive steering (still) and throttle sensitivities too low. Or it could be exit diff (power) is too low so it oversteers out of the corner having me crazily trying to correct it which i might wrongly take it as twitchiness?

Arggh....not enuff time and been too tired during testing this week...office workload is building up. I might just take the backseat and do a conservative pace and be safe tomorrow. PCcrazy is too fast and consistent here anyway.
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You got pace issues, you want me to believe your politics? laugh.gif

Anyway, at some tracks sometimes somebody gets the right formula quickly more than anyone else on the grid. It happen to me always so I played the race pace conservatively. It rewards you in unique way sometimes.

Twitchy, rear wing might solve the problem, but then you will suffer during acceleration and straights. Or stiffening the back end might work in some cases so that it harmoniously followed the front.
But I think you have tried all that but to no avail. Maybe it's just the caster issues. I dunno, it could be several combinations as well.

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post Apr 11 2008, 03:34 AM

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QUOTE(CyborgR @ Apr 11 2008, 12:03 AM)
got that smile.gif so i will sit at my pit n wait the qualifying finish right?
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Yup, but its not that bad starting from behind. I have mine too back in season megane/rf3. We all do at that time some way or another.

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post Apr 11 2008, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(KeyserSoze @ Apr 11 2008, 12:19 PM)
Yess!! That's the spirit rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif

Talk about starting...all I worry is the car behind sweat.gif Will they be able to brake in time and not hitting me if anything happens in front..lol icon_rolleyes.gif and yup..the adrenaline feels great!! thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Behind car must be careful, but having said that, the front car must behaved as well. Not to weave unnecessarily and test brake anybody. Overall great job MSR in organizing such a wonderful event.
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post Apr 11 2008, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(camel90 @ Apr 11 2008, 02:07 PM)
ic2. well bro PC. any advice for new comer if we want to try to defend ?

u know...we want to defend our position but at the same time we really dun wan to make havoc on track shakehead.gif

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Simple,

As long as you are in front the track is all yours. But there can be only one blocking move to deter your opponent from taking the best line into turn like what I did in Ocshersleben first corner into the race which cause the havoc tongue.gif . The person who decides to overtake you must realized that he is blocked and should find other route because you have already choose your route. And the person behind must be careful (not to get horny) because the braking judgment has to change since the car is braking at different places all the time depending on the route the person in front chooses every time the following car prepares to overtake.

As for the person in front if the car behind manage to get side by side, I mean really side by side, you both have the rights to the corner. I mean you must run in parallel to each other. The person inside has rights to the inside kerb (apex) but no rights to outer kerb and the person outside has no rights to the inside kerb (apex) but has rights to the outside kerb.

In case where one car is clearly half a car length and having no difference in speed (0 km/h - 3 km/h relative difference ie no shockwave phenomena will occur ), then that front car should have all access to the track or corner.

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Im on my backfoot in Valencia. Im too obsessed getting my sensitivities rite and my ride perfected but fail to increase my pace here. But Ive learn some valuable curves and corner characteristics of this track. Not much time left so tonite i'll just shakedown wuteva i have and try to make the best out of it.


Backfoot my foot!!!! tongue.gif

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post Apr 11 2008, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(ryugan @ Apr 11 2008, 07:40 PM)
mmg bercadang hangkut gi CC  tongue.gif

thehe good news guys, i'm back online.
my line fixed rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif

hidup darkside
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Am I hyperexcited? No I am not, trust me.

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post Apr 12 2008, 01:50 AM

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Hmm, my post race comments:

My first win of the season, at last after 5 races. I don't know whether I should be happy or not. But I guess seeing where I start and paces of front runners I almost lost hope and was gunning only for a podium. Little did I know suddenly I got into contention for the win. Made a few mistakes attempting to overtake some of the runners.

As for the car, it was difficult to drive at first due to the formation lap accident where it got my suspension and aero damaged. But I made adjustments to my driving style and the car was quite good although it could be more consistent.

The last battle with dzariq was intense, I had to pass him and control the race with my almost empty fuel. I did reduce the pace a bit by changing gears at lower rpm. But in the end he ran out of fuel first and I was able to save mine by completely slowing the car down.

Marshal pov:

The first turn incident has been reviewed and study. The opinion of race marshal is that it's more like a race incident but since the result of the mistake made by ryugan almost cause a DNF for camel and cyborg, ryugan should be more careful next time and avoid attempting ambitious move early in the race.

If anyone had a complaint to lodge pls guide race marshal to it and we will look into the replay. Provide us the minutes of the incidents that took place.

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post Apr 12 2008, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(dzariq @ Apr 12 2008, 01:57 AM)
i dont know how much we can save by just slowing down..maybe just a fraction..i already know mine would not be enough..short by just a lap..impossible to save anyway..remind me to season three last round..lost the championship to pitt because of 'pit'!.. shakehead.gif ..luckily this time i was not in 1st position..
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If we start slowing down for couple of laps, you really can save about several lap, i will verify the motec and show you guys. LOL lost the championship to pitt bcos of pit <-- I LOL

Great race, sorry about the minor touch, I brake a bit later than usual to scare you but end up scaring myself. If I were to pass u bcos of that, I will gladly hand back that position. No questions ask.

At a slow pace, my fuel consumption per lap based on motec was approx 1.85 L. At hot pace it was approx 2.45 L seeing that I used max engine braking hence the high consumption of fuel. I save 0.1 L doing 1.34.5. Although not much but several lap of that pace really can do one lap at slow pace. But you are quite right, to save more than a lap of fuel is difficult and it's advised that pitting is better option.

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post Apr 12 2008, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(dzariq @ Apr 12 2008, 02:09 AM)
i know u want to scare me..i brake a bit early.. biggrin.gif ..no la..just kidding..i always brake early..a little bit earlier than normal..anywhere on the track..i saw the replay..u nearly touch me at the last corner..on lap 30+ i think..anyway it was a very good battle.
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You mean the overtaking maneuver. Yup we almost touched, but I leave you the apex and a bit of road on the inside. Had we collide,it wont be big and it would be only side by side touch since the difference in speed is almost zero. So I was quite confident going in for the move. And furthermore you are experienced and I trust you understand what I'm going to do.

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post Apr 12 2008, 04:27 AM

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QUOTE(Madnoren @ Apr 12 2008, 12:34 PM)
Congrate all, 16 racers on the grid, that was fantastic, i miss the race. Hope we can have 20 racers in Round 6 @ Zandvoort next week; Kimi, IR1Z, mars & me ~ plz free yourself to join  biggrin.gif  (oh.. i think mars still in the planet mars, his running out of rocket fuel to return here.....hehehe....jgn marah ha...gurau je)

Aku dah agak Pitt x bleh menang....hahaha....nanti aku tolong karangkan post race ko...

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Geng2 COH, alamak sorry, aku ngantuk nak tunggu korang habis race, maka tertidor la aku malam tadi..... tongue.gif

Server Round 6 Zandvoort sudah up.

Azrink,

Heran jugak aku, pakar2 mod nie boleh kantoi dgn masalah PC....patutnye kacang je nak solve.....hehehe

Aku rasa cuba hang try tukar power supply yang bagus sikit > 500W Real Power punyer.

Tahniah PCcrazy, Dzariq & Pitt (dia nie ade cheat pakai dot dot dot  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif )
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Bro Madnor, aku suka the speech yang dikarang. It carries significant meaning. biggrin.gif

Hmm, rfactor ni can't have many mod and plugins at the same time. Too much will cause mismatches and unknown instability issues. And for hardware issues try running prime, for at least 8 hours so that you know the RAM and CPU can be leave out of equation for the conflict. And the graphics card must passed rigorous 3d application test for several hour. Anyway sometimes, DC in this MSR mod will result in CTD, Other mods will just simply disconnect you from the server. I find that the mod is somewhat buggy in this sense.

Tested zandvoort, it's too bumpy and personally i don't like this track that much. But anyway its a challenge.

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 12 2008, 03:56 PM)
Website updated. smile.gif


Added on April 12, 2008, 3:56 pmThanks for putting up the server bro madnor.
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Great one. I LOL when I read the post race comments by pitt courtesy of Madnoren..... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 12 2008, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 12 2008, 04:26 PM)
Errr...yeah.  blush.gif  OK fixed.


Added on April 12, 2008, 4:26 pm
I loled when i was pasting it too...LOL


Added on April 12, 2008, 6:30 pmLooking back to last nite race (or the whole week perceeding it), Ive made one fundamental mistake of going back to start from scratch and (so i thought) try to learn something new and test it. BAD decision. I had a good setup and well used to it it has been proven over 4 races (Brand hatch included, but being disconnected 1 minute before race finish). I was a rude awakening but Ive learn from it. Now ive reverted to the previous, working setup (for cars, controllers and the rest). Plus, my pedals gave me a hard time...both throttle and the brakes.


Added on April 12, 2008, 6:37 pm

I love all tracks. Everyone of them pose some challenge, especially zandvoort....which is a challenge to .....everything. lol
Its hard to drive on due to its extreme bumpiness and its like macau where u cant put a foot wrong. (minus the barriers) But u ride over a bump at a worng angle here, ure doomed.
Its gonna be tricky setting up suspension here. Cant be too stiff, cant be too soft. Probably the compromise is more delicate than any other track.
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Told you the truth, I never started from scratch if you mean scratch is default setup given to you at particular track. When I go to a track, which I already know the characteristics of it I have already pictured how the setup is going to be like and most of the time my assumption is always more than 50% right. Meaning the most is only 50% to work on refining my earlier assumption.

Say for example Macau, you see the layout of the track and immediately you know the wing angle you need. It doesn't take a rocket science to know that 6 if its a default is not the way to go at Macau am I right? Same goes for the suspension, bumps, Differential, the Casters. You can always assume one figure based on our past experience with the car and start from there. For me alone, I don't think there is even a need to run default from the first try and then move on to refining. But to each his own. If you can be quicker that way then by all means you are correct in your own analysis.

Tracks, I don't love the track but doesn't mean I'm not wiling to give my all. I can prove to you that even though I dont quite like some tracks, I go for a winning mentality and strive to take the top honor.




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post Apr 13 2008, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 13 2008, 02:58 PM)
somehow i think mem overloaded and need to free some.

For zandvoort, i think why the cars appears to be super bumpy is coz of the addition of the in-game 'headmovement'. Try to set it to 0 and u'll see a world of difference. And u'll read the movement is just of ur car...and not with ur 'head'

I had it off since we started F1...so i read the car bumps and reaction better. Anyway...just try....like PCcrazy like to say....'to each is his own' tongue.gif
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I set the head movement to some value but not 0 since I can take some shaking babeh. Me use to say that? Well I better change, somebody has detected my patterns. Hmm, let us change to " To each his cup of Teh Tarik".

The key to be fast in Zandvoort is to know when to climb and how to land. It's like going fast in a rally car. You know how to straight line the bump as they say. Those without the FFB? I think the better had it on, or else the feel and anticipation of bumps are not there.

Not to mention, tyres will be pound hard under vertical loading, so better beware on your tyre choice guys. Let the temp decide the compound, don't be fooled with available initial grip.


Formation Lap Incident, we must try not to make such mistakes early in the race.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ny15ttA54

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post Apr 13 2008, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(edison_84 @ Apr 13 2008, 05:45 PM)
MSR AI faster than rF AI 1 - 2 seconds. biggrin.gif

update:
IIRC, pitt get 1.39.xx
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Wahh, 1.39? The most I can do 1.46. Pitt is sure going to grab zandvoort. But he must not forget the <removed> lah this time. tongue.gif

Hmm, better fired up RBR, to train my bumping skills.

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