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post May 19 2009, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ May 19 2009, 08:59 PM)
If you are certain that the price of the reit will not fall,and the  total yearly distribution will remain or increase,and that interest rate  charged will remain unchanged,then it is worth trying.

But nothing is certain in this world.Also bear in mind that single stock financing is not acceptable to many broking firms.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 19 2009, 09:34 PM)
Yes, this is what we call carry trade.

This is always a risky move. Only do if you afford and dare to take the risk and fully aware the consequences.
Lot of people burnt more than people gain through this way, because of greed and timing. Main reason, people only want to do margin facility when market is bullish time aka market has run up significantly only then people turns more greed want to trade more so using margin.

If market turns out to be good, one can get wealthy very fast, as you put on leverage, people gain 1 you gain 2, so multiply the long term and repeating effect, you will be rich very soon.
People go from 1 to 2 to 4, you go from 2,4,16.

If market turns out to be against you, double trouble, loss on capital while still need to pay interest, worst still can't meet margin call, then have to sell everything to repay. Even market does rebound back, you actually game over as you have to sell everything you got.

One word, nothing is predictable in stock market and market always not behaving what people expected.
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hmm.. reason I'm considering this Im planning to keep it long term. How about if I gear 50%? With 500 lots in cash, and borrow to buy another 250 lots - does that help to mitigate risks? At least, I don't need to worry about margin call if prices fall in the short-term.

My main concern is actually if it is worth the risk? the extra return will not be huge, as compared to people taking margin and goreng in a bullish market.
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post Jul 24 2009, 10:27 AM

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Guys,

May i know anyone out there using margin financing at a better rate then BLR - 1.75%?

PB Sharelink Margin is giving that. Plan to open another account if the margin rate is more competitive
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post Jul 24 2009, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 24 2009, 10:27 AM)
Guys,

May i know anyone out there using margin financing at a better rate then BLR - 1.75%?

PB Sharelink Margin is giving that. Plan to open another account if the margin rate is more competitive
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I just realize i work in an Ah Long bank, i suggest you don't come to my bank..

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post Jul 25 2009, 10:04 AM

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Possibly that MBB is no longer giving discount.
A friend & forummer here was quoted BLR + 1.5 recently.

I have secured mine at BLR -1.5 just a month or two back from MBB for 250K limit with no commitment fee.

For MBB BLR -1.75, is for margin limits above RM500K, but will incur commitment fee.

The no commitment fee is reason why I didn't apply for the BLR -1.75 package.

MBB's safe FMR ratio is around 60%, eg 0.6 when I applied.
However, this ratio is revised time to time, depending on market conditions.

If u dun mind the initial costs, having a margin is equiv to bank overdraft facility, but cheaper rates.
T+3? No problem, pick it up and sell off later, if u're confident of the counter.
Having this safety net will make a huge difference for those who trades contra regularly.
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post Jul 25 2009, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 24 2009, 10:27 AM)
Guys,

May i know anyone out there using margin financing at a better rate then BLR - 1.75%?

PB Sharelink Margin is giving that. Plan to open another account if the margin rate is more competitive
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U can try

http://www.allianceinvestmentbank.com.my/a...maximargin.html

can nego better rates when have seminars/roadshow ... quite some in KL during this 2 months..

only few branches tho' ....
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post Jul 29 2009, 04:37 PM

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I am using Hlebroking, following question is quoted from HLebroking FAQ section


What is my trading limit in HLeBroking Account?

Collateral Type

Trading Limit
Cash 2x
Share nil



Is that mean that i can buy 2 times the current cash that i hold in my share account? Eg: i have RM10k cash , then i can buy 2 times my cash which i mean i can buy RM 20k worth of stock.


And if the answer is yes, why do we still need to do share margin trading financing. Since we already can double up our current cash position.

Thank you

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TSNeo18
post Jul 30 2009, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(chin20350 @ Jul 29 2009, 04:37 PM)
I am using Hlebroking, following question is quoted from HLebroking FAQ section
What is my trading limit in HLeBroking Account?
 
Collateral Type

Trading Limit               
Cash  2x                                                   
Share nil
Is that mean that i can buy 2 times the current cash that i hold in my share account? Eg: i have RM10k cash , then i can buy 2 times my cash which i mean i can buy RM 20k worth of stock.
And if the answer is yes, why do we still need to do share margin trading financing. Since we already can double up our current cash position.

Thank you
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For HLebroking, you will only be dealing with their central office. no Hong Leong branch provide stock broking department or able to advise anything on share broking/margin.

Coming back to your question, I just enquire from HL last week.

I think their webpage is outdated.

you can only trade up to 1.5x
meaning, if you put in RM10k,
you can trade up to 25k (meaning 10k your money + 15k bank money)

I find their rate not very competitive,

they are giving BLR - 1%
If you trade more than 500k, then only you get BLR - 1.75%
however, for the first 3 month of opening account, you will get 10% on all your month end interest charges, to encourage you to open account

Hope that help.

For Share margin, so far, the best is still Public Bank and Maybank
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post Jul 30 2009, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 30 2009, 11:43 AM)
For HLebroking, you will only be dealing with their central office. no Hong Leong branch provide stock broking department or able to advise anything on share broking/margin.

Coming back to your question, I just enquire from HL last week.

I think their webpage is outdated.

you can only trade up to 1.5x
meaning, if you put in RM10k,
you can trade up to 25k (meaning 10k your money + 15k bank money)

I find their rate not very competitive,

they are giving BLR - 1%
If you trade more than 500k, then only you get BLR - 1.75%
however, for the first 3 month of opening account, you will get 10% on all your month end interest charges, to encourage you to open account

Hope that help.

For Share margin, so far, the best is still Public Bank and Maybank
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Our IB,Aminvestment,can offer lowest 5.5 % subject to T&C.

Can pm me for more details.
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post Jul 30 2009, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ Jul 30 2009, 12:05 PM)
Our IB,Aminvestment,can offer lowest 5.5 % subject to T&C.

Can pm me for more details.
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u mean BLR @ 5.5?
what about total?
can get BLR - 2 %?
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post Jul 30 2009, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 30 2009, 12:10 PM)
u mean BLR @ 5.5?
what about total?
can get BLR - 2 %?
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Our rate is 5.5 % now with T&C,not pegged.
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post Jul 30 2009, 10:24 PM

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Anyone doing share margin financing here? I need someone to approve my application... I have about 15k in cash and 35k in stocks, but the issue is that I'm currently still studying and I have 2 more years to go before I can graduate.

I'm willing to take a much lower margin in to reduce any risk that the bank might be taking on.

I can give all the research that I've done on the company.











on a side note...



Added on July 30, 2009, 10:28 pm
QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 30 2009, 11:43 AM)
For HLebroking, you will only be dealing with their central office. no Hong Leong branch provide stock broking department or able to advise anything on share broking/margin.

Coming back to your question, I just enquire from HL last week.

I think their webpage is outdated.

you can only trade up to 1.5x
meaning, if you put in RM10k,
you can trade up to 25k (meaning 10k your money + 15k bank money)

I find their rate not very competitive,

they are giving BLR - 1%
If you trade more than 500k, then only you get BLR - 1.75%
however, for the first 3 month of opening account, you will get 10% on all your month end interest charges, to encourage you to open account

Hope that help.

For Share margin, so far, the best is still Public Bank and Maybank
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funny.. i actually called them up recently and their rate is actually 1.8x if u have share collateral and 2.8x if u have cash... but they don't want to do my business..... lol... even after I tell them i'm willing to take 0.5x only.

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post Jul 31 2009, 12:01 AM

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How Does Share Margin Financing (SMF) Works?
refer this http://stockmarket.tailou.com/viewtopic.ph...3c7fb88d9dbd6bc
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post Jul 31 2009, 09:46 AM

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hi guys...

want to ask about collateral for SMF. i was told that for collateral FD is accepted. if i have FD for e.g. in Maybank like 50k, can i apply for SMF from other bank/brokers? is it is it possible to use the same FD to apply for than one SMF from different banks/brokers??
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post Jul 31 2009, 01:50 PM

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So for a HLebroking account , how much i can buy if i have rm10k cash?

is it possible for me to buy RM20k worth of stock without using SMF?? I just feel that it is very inconvenient for me to apply for SMF.


Because what i see from FAQ at HLB homepage. HLB FAQ
What is my trading limit in HLeBroking Account?

Collateral Type

Trading Limit
Cash 2x
Share nil

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post Jul 31 2009, 09:00 PM

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u've really got to have some sort of exit strategy when u're dabbling with share margin....

personally, i don't because i find it a hassle to top-up for each margin call.....

my principle....don't play if you don't have the money.....but that's only myself.....others would say no risk no gain... tongue.gif
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post Aug 1 2009, 11:27 PM

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Any cheapest housing loan available in the market. Plan to refinance my house to buy share.
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post Aug 3 2009, 09:49 AM

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try to go for maybank and eonbank for housing loan, i had been working for eon bank b4, and my colleague told me that the cheapest housing loan in malaysia is maybank and eonbank.
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QUOTE(chin20350 @ Aug 3 2009, 09:49 AM)
try to go for maybank and eonbank for housing loan, i had been working for eon bank b4, and my colleague told me that the cheapest housing loan in malaysia is maybank and eonbank.
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this is a bit off topic but try money3.com for house loan comparison. pretty good and up to date
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post Aug 3 2009, 05:59 PM

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there is another way similar to margin call CFD.
CFD is an investment instrument that allows you to participate in the price movement of an underlying share. The CFD contract is an agreement to buy (Long) or ‘short-sell’ (Short) an underlying share. Investors increasingly look to CFD to profit in both the rising and falling markets.CFD allows you to hold a more diversified portfolio when you can leverage up to 6.67 times on your initial capital. Trade from margin requirements as low as 15%, which is marked-to-market daily.

say genting 6.45 today which i can buy just using 1.29 . (20% margin)
its a double-edge sword. max profit gaining, and max losses vice versa.

i had been playing with CFD in sti for 2years and turn out my losses are triple times of my initial capital.

This post has been edited by ianchew: Aug 3 2009, 06:00 PM
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post Sep 6 2009, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jul 30 2009, 12:10 PM)
u mean BLR @ 5.5?
what about total?
can get BLR - 2 %?
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Neo,

RHB Bank latest offer started this month September 09 ..

SMF
FD/CASH - 2X
Quoted Shares - 1X

Facility Type - OD with no cheque book

- no cap of market price Main Board Counter
- 100% value of Main Board & Warrant

Interest
- >500K BLR-2% for 1st year...and -0.5 there after (can nego after 1 year if u r a good payer..hahaha
<500K BLR - 1.75% for 1st year.. and - 0.5 there after

RHB Bank pay interest on credit balance in your acc...

Rollover - Waived
- Stamp duty charged 0.5% upon appreoved limit...
- >500K SMF, stamp duty refundable - term & cond.
Payment - at anytime and on demand

Margin Call - MOA > 67%

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