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ks3114
post May 19 2009, 01:17 PM

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Lets say I pledge 200lots of STAREIT for margin facility. Then I buy more of the same shares with the margin amount. In theory, it will be self sustaining right? ie. dividend will be more than enough to cover interest.

Those margin sifus, how risky do you think this strategy is?
1 = no risk, 10 = Very risky

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ks3114
post May 19 2009, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ May 19 2009, 05:46 PM)
My thoughts based solely on theory...
Probably in theory yes it might do the trick...

The performance of the Reit counter,
other factors like act of god (entire building got burnt down  doh.gif )
sudden announcement stating no dividend for that year  shocking.gif
negated market volitility,
top ups (margin calls),
Fees/Expenses, cost, losses that you need to finance your purchase,
commitment fees
rollover fees
taxes
commission

etc.....
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Yeah, agree. There's still lots of other unsystematic risk to consider.

My thinking is that, after deducting the interest from the income return, there's still a spread of 4-6% to account for the risk. Im still unsure whether its worth taking the risk for an extra 4-6% return.
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post May 19 2009, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(lklatmy @ May 19 2009, 08:59 PM)
If you are certain that the price of the reit will not fall,and the  total yearly distribution will remain or increase,and that interest rate  charged will remain unchanged,then it is worth trying.

But nothing is certain in this world.Also bear in mind that single stock financing is not acceptable to many broking firms.
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True, I realised MBB has a cap value on some of my shares in my portfolio.


QUOTE(cherroy @ May 19 2009, 09:34 PM)
Yes, this is what we call carry trade.

This is always a risky move. Only do if you afford and dare to take the risk and fully aware the consequences.
Lot of people burnt more than people gain through this way, because of greed and timing. Main reason, people only want to do margin facility when market is bullish time aka market has run up significantly only then people turns more greed want to trade more so using margin.

If market turns out to be good, one can get wealthy very fast, as you put on leverage, people gain 1 you gain 2, so multiply the long term and repeating effect, you will be rich very soon.
People go from 1 to 2 to 4, you go from 2,4,16.

If market turns out to be against you, double trouble, loss on capital while still need to pay interest, worst still can't meet margin call, then have to sell everything to repay. Even market does rebound back, you actually game over as you have to sell everything you got.

One word, nothing is predictable in stock market and market always not behaving what people expected.
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hmm.. reason I'm considering this Im planning to keep it long term. How about if I gear 50%? With 500 lots in cash, and borrow to buy another 250 lots - does that help to mitigate risks? At least, I don't need to worry about margin call if prices fall in the short-term.

My main concern is actually if it is worth the risk? the extra return will not be huge, as compared to people taking margin and goreng in a bullish market.

 

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