lol. Super macro mode do rocks in Canon S series prosumer. xD
What you can do, I can do also!, What's the big deal about DSLR Cameras?
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Jan 15 2008, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(Xcaliber @ Jan 15 2008, 05:50 PM) waaa i tot orange and apple come up.. came up wat. read carefully.  |
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Jan 15 2008, 05:59 PM
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DSLR shutter lag is almost non existence...u try panning F1 or in Bird Park with prosumer u will bet bladi frustrated.
It all comes down how serious is one into photography..if ppl buy an SLR just for a trip to somewhere else..i would advise them to buy a prosumer instead |
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Jan 15 2008, 06:22 PM
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What you can do, I can do also!
Can u do bulb exposure in S3? Can u focus as fast as DSLR in S3? Can u have DOF as shallow as DSLR in S3? Can u shoot as fast as 3fps or 5fps in S3? Can u boost ur ISO to 800/1600 and maintain minimum noise in S3? Can u change lens in S3? Can u have color as dynamic range as DSLR in S3? nuff said |
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Jan 15 2008, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jan 15 2008, 06:22 PM) What you can do, I can do also! Can u take video with DSLR? Can u do bulb exposure in S3? Can u focus as fast as DSLR in S3? Can u have DOF as shallow as DSLR in S3? Can u shoot as fast as 3fps or 5fps in S3? Can u boost ur ISO to 800/1600 and maintain minimum noise in S3? Can u change lens in S3? Can u have color as dynamic range as DSLR in S3? nuff said  lol. Ha Ha. I win. The DSLR takes time to learn, don't worry, you can't break anything by tweaking the settings, give all those buttons a whirl, no worries, fiddle with anything long enough and you'll be a master in no time TS. But yeah, the DSLR is kind of pointless for some which are expecting better, but i'll be honest and say the D40 is like a hobbled PnS with an interchangable lense mount. Even if after all the practice, and you still think the DSLR sucks, there's no harm in going back, the right tool for the right job is important, i'm not going to snipe the PM with a double barreled shotgun am i? TL:DR = Take your time. If it still sucks after giving it more work, go back to PnS or Prosumer. |
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Jan 15 2008, 07:35 PM
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Nothing beats Lomo!
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Jan 15 2008, 07:51 PM
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Hmm... I was also considering which to get for my new camera since my old one just went dead. Between a prosumer and DSLR. Was thinking of getting a DSLR at first. But considering the technical side of photography not to mention to invest in additional lense and other accessories I am 99.9% decided to get a prosumer camera. First for its cost and second to learn up the basic of photography before I really start to venture to the world of DSLR.
Comparison wise, it is really an apple to an orange. Totally different class of their own. But to be frank, DSLR does have much better flexibility in terms of features and creative photography which prosumer and normal PnS camera are severely limited by their hardcase design. And I do agree on the person behind the camera concept. Equip you with all the equipments and accessories for the camera in the market. Provide you with assistants to carry all the weights and hire a specialist in changing the lense that you want to use to snap the particular photo. Without the sound knowledge of what to use, when to use and where to use your photos still turns out sucks. Just my humble opinion and common sense. Disagreement can be point out for sharing among the people here. |
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Jan 15 2008, 08:14 PM
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well, your d40x has a much bigger sensor area than the canon (almost 10x).
obviously the bigger the better (more control over DOF). bigger sensor means better iso performance over smaller sensor too. |
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Jan 15 2008, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jan 15 2008, 06:22 PM) What you can do, I can do also! Bulb exposure is possible on S3 IS. With hacked firmware, you can expose up to a minute.Can u do bulb exposure in S3? Can u focus as fast as DSLR in S3? Can u have DOF as shallow as DSLR in S3? Can u shoot as fast as 3fps or 5fps in S3? Can u boost ur ISO to 800/1600 and maintain minimum noise in S3? Can u change lens in S3? Can u have color as dynamic range as DSLR in S3? nuff said |
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Jan 15 2008, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 15 2008, 04:26 PM) So far I can't seem to figure out what's so spectacular about the SLR camera compared to what I've been using all this while. You clearly don't know photography & moreover SLR photography.* Btw, I use my cameras to mainly take scenery shots during travels, taking group photos... and all the normal stuff people use the camera for. I don't camp outdoors for hours just to take a photo, I don't use a tripod and I don't intend to sell any of my photos. I just like the satisfaction of taking some good shots every now and then, while having all my other shots turn out clear. The advantage of SLR compared to your S3IS: 1) Accurate optical viewfinder - S3 doesn't. Whatever you see on your electronic viewfinder or LCD is actually a delayed liveview. 2) Image quality - The sensor size of a dSLR is much bigger than S3. Thus the ability to capture a wider range of colors & tones. 3) Burst mode - The slowest of the dSLR selling in the market today can do 3fps, S3 is 1.5fps/2.3fps (based on dpreview.com). 4) Hotshoe - The S3 don't have it thus can't mount an external flash. And thus can't shoot beyond 20ft in low light condition. 5) AF speed - The worst SLR can AF in less than 0.5 sec. While S3 usually takes 0.5-1 sec to lock on. 6) Shutter range - SLR is 30 - 1/4000 sec. While S3 is 15 - 1/3200 sec. 7) Instant response - SLR power up almost instantly (0.2 sec average), S3 around 1-2 sec. 8) Shutter lag - entry level SLR is 80-90ms. S3 , I don't know. And more.......... Actually, based on your primary usage, since you don't take moving objects, frankly speaking, you don't need a dSLR. And if you don't enlarge your picture, at 4R, you perhaps can't tell the difference as well. So how the hell you would understand why people pay 3 times the price of your D40X for a F2.8 zoom lens? |
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Jan 15 2008, 09:08 PM
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scorgio, respect u for ur explaination.
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Jan 15 2008, 10:17 PM
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Wow, this is gonna be very interesting.
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Jan 15 2008, 10:18 PM
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Obviously you just need a prosumer instead of DSLR. If you take pics with low ISO low contrast than dslr will not much differs from prosumers in term of standard print of IQ. It goes down what type of photography your into. Search for Alex Majoli if you want to know pro that used prosumers.
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Jan 15 2008, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE Can u take video with DSLR? lol. Ha Ha. I win. D3 & new 450D also can take video  anyway, no DSLR can fight with S3 IS in Live-view mode DSLR live view mode still very bad And also "spot metering" which don't have in some DSLR |
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Jan 15 2008, 10:24 PM
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btw, just to add, you wanna show off your skills?(not implying that you are here). Shoot in film then? Do the processing(preferably do it yourself), then do your own film to photo paper processing, then do your own dodge and burn, all in the traditional dark room.
If you can come out with good results. Then im going to salute you heck ill even ask you to be my sifu and teach me the darkroom processing skills. oh yeah, DO NOT ever underestimate the kit lens. There's tons of professional photographers who uses the kit lens as their main weapon to create stunning images. I can least some of them, they'll pwn your photos big time. One's even just 18 years old. oh btw, show your pics plz? don just talk. We need pictures. |
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Jan 15 2008, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(vichio @ Jan 15 2008, 10:18 PM) anyway, no DSLR can fight with S3 IS in Live-view mode The Oly E330 has spot metering. DSLR live view mode still very bad And also "spot metering" which don't have in some DSLR And its Live-View is on par with the prosumers. |
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Jan 15 2008, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(R a D ! c 4 L @ Jan 15 2008, 10:24 PM) btw, just to add, you wanna show off your skills?(not implying that you are here). Shoot in film then? Do the processing(preferably do it yourself), then do your own film to photo paper processing, then do your own dodge and burn, all in the traditional dark room. heheeIf you can come out with good results. Then im going to salute you heck ill even ask you to be my sifu and teach me the darkroom processing skills. oh yeah, DO NOT ever underestimate the kit lens. There's tons of professional photographers who uses the kit lens as their main weapon to create stunning images. I can least some of them, they'll pwn your photos big time. One's even just 18 years old. oh btw, show your pics plz? don just talk. We need pictures. i can do all that you have mentioned. are u going to call me sifu? hehee only joking ya just to take the heat off this thread |
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Jan 15 2008, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(vichio @ Jan 15 2008, 10:18 PM) D3 & new 450D also can take video Still very bad in what area?anyway, no DSLR can fight with S3 IS in Live-view mode DSLR live view mode still very bad And also "spot metering" which don't have in some DSLR Anyhow, I find that live view on my Olympus DSLRs are not best for capturing action (laggy) nor have sharp enough resolution to spot auto-focus mistakes (without digital zoom) nor sensitive enough to be used in dark/low light environments. I started out with the E-330 but about a year later when I got the E-510 I was almost always (99%) using the optical viewfinder. Some prosumers have faux optical viewfinders which are actually projected electronic view finders (EVF), like the Sony H9, and have the same shortcomings of the LCD, including high energy usage. But the EVF and LCD live view has distinct advantages like being able to have guiding lines, real-time white balance, real-time histogram, and best of all, you don't have to stick your cam to your face, or contort your body into weird postures when trying to take that odd-angled shot. Spot metering is probably as old as the SLR itself! Some old film-based SLRs can even let you spot meter a few spots and then will take an average of those few spots, sort of a manual evaluative metering method. |
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Jan 15 2008, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 15 2008, 04:26 PM) Hey all, Hi Darthbaboon, it's absolutely normal to be frustrated when your expectation is not met. I'd not ask you to convince yourself that DSLR is better since you find it otherwise. For me it's very personal and subjective. Some prefer to swim in a pool, while some prefer to swim in the sea. I just bought a Nikon D40X (Kit) 2 weeks ago after using Canon S3-IS for quite a long time. So far I can't seem to figure out what's so spectacular about the SLR camera compared to what I've been using all this while. Between fast point and shoot applications, the S3 wins. I don't think you guys buy the SLR camera to use it's auto-shoot/scene/portrait... etc functions. By the time I finish setting up the shot, either the subject is impatient, or I'd have stood there for ages, and worse still if the shot doesn't turn out properly, I'd have to reset everything again. Worse still the view-finder is so small compared to using the LCD + histogram for the S3. Changing apperture, shuttle speeds and ISO doesn't seem to affect what I see in the viewfinder. As a result, more often than not the shots turn out bad. So much for the "What you see is what you get" concept for SLR. Zoom wise, the kit lens sucks compared to the in-hand 12x zoom of the S3. Don't even ask me to spend another RM 2.5k for something better. I know the SLR's advantage is interchangable lenses, henceforth versatility in taking pictures, but am I honestly expected to carry around 3 lenses and swap them each time I need to take a photo? Thanks and appreciate some comments and feedback on the above. I'm beginning to think I blew away RM 2.5k on an unnecessary and (inferior) purchase. * Btw, I use my cameras to mainly take scenery shots during travels, taking group photos... and all the normal stuff people use the camera for. I don't camp outdoors for hours just to take a photo, I don't use a tripod and I don't intend to sell any of my photos. I just like the satisfaction of taking some good shots every now and then, while having all my other shots turn out clear. I'd suggest you you downgrade if you are not happy with your D40x. After all, if you are not having fun, what's the point? If you browse though Canon forum in Dpreview, many people who own tons of equipment sold everything off and get a prosumer. I don't see what's wrong with that. The worst thing can happen to one is to force oneself to use something that one doesn't like. Photography is suppose to be fun, isn't it? |
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Jan 15 2008, 11:00 PM
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Ha! HA! Seems like a lot of sifu got insulted here.
Well, there is nothing wrong whether a PnS or Prosumer or dSLR. Each have their own pros and cons. And u just need to know what you need. And what u can't make good of doesn't mean others can't. Just because u are not good doesn't mean everyone is the same. |
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