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post Jan 15 2008, 05:28 PM

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darthbaboon, i've used. pns, prosumer and DSLR.

each time i migrate, i see significant difference.

so if you upgrade and you see no difference. perhaps upgrading was a wrong move, you should've stick to your prosumer.

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the pros and cons are stated already. smile.gif if you buy a DSLR and still see no difference with your prosumer, then clearly you're in total lack of knowledge and understanding. comparing the DSLR and prosumer is like apples to orange.

while both are cameras, they work differently.


QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 15 2008, 05:05 PM)
The way you guys put it, does it mean that SLR is such a *slow* camera that you guys have to slowly compose all your shots before finally taking a picture? Does it mean that you need to have several years of experience of using SLR to know what settings to use for particular photos/scenes?


come join me in the paintball field. let's see what your prosumer can get. smile.gif


QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Jan 15 2008, 05:10 PM)
You just only hopped over to DSLR, you might not get used to it. Hence you might look down on what it can do for you. Spend more time to explore and spend a little more bucks to get yourself some good lens before jumping to the conclusion that Prosumer can do what DSLRs can do smile.gif


no la. don't have to spend more also. just the kit lens also can do plenty of nice stuff already.

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*btw there's a reason why i still keep my prosumer. WHY? I won't elaborate, one would understand if one knows their difference. reasons are in my article.

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post Jan 15 2008, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Jan 15 2008, 05:33 PM)
Speaking of S3 IS, I'm kinda miss the superb video recording feature sad.gif
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QUOTE(nairud @ Jan 15 2008, 05:36 PM)
i miss its 400mm focal length. lol
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ehh, just get a 70-300 IS then you have more than 400mm on your side already mah you 30D user tongue.gif

anyway no one miss macro mode? smile.gif

that's the nice thing about prosumer, all-in-one package.
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post Jan 15 2008, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Xcaliber @ Jan 15 2008, 05:50 PM)
waaa i tot orange and apple come up..


came up wat. read carefully. smile.gif

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post Jan 16 2008, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 15 2008, 11:00 PM)
Ha! HA! Seems like a lot of sifu got insulted here.


i doubt the people here are insulted.

i'm quite sure most are just simply amazed / dumb-founded by how one could jump into such a conclusion and even start a thread on it when one is obviously lacking even the basic knowledge of the difference between what he / she owned and what he / she intended to jump into.

it's like you upgrade from A to B and thinks B is bad when the actual problem is do you even bother to understand B before upgrading? I believe that's the point most are getting at.

look at the title, What you can do, I can do also! - yeah right, there's a reason why DSLRs are around. smile.gif There's a reason why prosumer users when hang around DSLR users are poisoned badly.
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post Jan 16 2008, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_gsc @ Jan 16 2008, 01:43 AM)
I also started off using P&S (Canon Ixus II) then Prosumer P&S (Fujifilm Finepix S7000) and now a Nikon D80

In the beginning I really didn't know how to use the D80 but the transition from my Finepix S7000 to D80 wasn't that bad as I had been practicing using manual settings on the S7000.


aww yeah. we're from the same prosumer background.

but yeah that's what i did too but it didn't register that well until i got a DSLR.

the S7000 is still part of my arsenal today.
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post Jan 16 2008, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
1) Accurate optical viewfinder - S3 doesn't. Whatever you see on your electronic viewfinder or LCD is actually a delayed liveview.

When I adjust shuttle speed/apperture/iso, the changes are reflected directly on the S3 LCD. Thus I know if I've got the ISO too low or adjusted the shuttle speed too fast and can compensate before taking the shot. I tried varying this on the D40x... there are no changes visible on the viewfinder. Many of my shots end up too dark/too bright and I have to take several (trial and error) before finally getting one right.

Do you guys have a certain sixth sense or experience that tells you what shuttle/iso/apperture to use for what occasion?


ahh. well there's always an indicator that tells you whether it's alright.

sometimes the indicator could be a little off, then you bump up the exposure a little.

QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
2) Image quality - The sensor size of a dSLR is much bigger than S3. Thus the ability to capture a wider range of colors & tones.

This doesn't really matter for me right now since my objective is primarily to capture photos for 4R and just enjoyment. Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt the differences can be so great that it's noticable with the naked eye (unless you post two identical photos by prosumer & D40 side by side).


Well yeah, i use 6MP prosumer and now 8MP DSLR.

the thing is like it or not your 10MP will snap better quality picture.

if i print out my prosumer vs my DSLR shots (both shoot same thing) no one will know which is from which either, but the thing is there's a quality there that you'll know to treasure eventually.


QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
3) Burst mode - The slowest of the dSLR selling in the market today can do 3fps, S3 is 1.5fps/2.3fps (based on dpreview.com).

This is for fast shots/sports/continuous shooting I presume? Not really used atm for group photos, posed-photoshoots and scenery.


yes. he's just stating one of the advantages. See, sometimes you're shooting a flower and there's a bee coming. burst mode helps right? smile.gif hoping to get nice shot. can spam.

QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
4) Hotshoe - The S3 don't have it thus can't mount an external flash. And thus can't shoot beyond 20ft in low light condition.

Night shots are really bad for the S3. How much is an external flash btw?


cheap Nissin's cost like less than RM 500. Sunpaks have some at around RM 500 - 600. I'm not sure about Nikon range of speedlites but Canon's 580EX II comes to a little more than RM 1.5k. so again, depends on how far you're willing to go with the flash unit.

They're very useful.

QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
5) AF speed - The worst SLR can AF in less than 0.5 sec. While S3 usually takes 0.5-1 sec to lock on.

I don't notice the difference.


ahh. takes a while. my S7000's focusing takes quite a while.

QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
6) Shutter range - SLR is 30 - 1/4000 sec. While S3 is 15 - 1/3200 sec.

At 1/4000 or even 1/3200 sec unless the background is very bright otherwise the photo will turn out dark anyways so hardly/seldom use.


yup. that's the purpose. to snap at lowest ISO + faster exposure on bright sunny day.

again, he's just highlighting the advantages you have.

QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Jan 16 2008, 09:25 AM)
7) Instant response - SLR power up almost instantly (0.2 sec average), S3 around 1-2 sec.

An improvement of course, but I find the 1-2 sec sufficient since it takes me that long to bring up the camera and start looking at the subject anyways.


Yeah. fast power up is always good. the only set-back with the fast power up DSLR is that if it was using the wrong lens - useless also. LOL.

well anyway, Scorgio is just highlighting the advantages.

come join us this weekend for the gathering! It's a good opportunity to learn.
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post Jan 16 2008, 11:38 AM

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i doubt anyone here is insulted la (eh, i thought i mentioned this earlier).

the site shows even better the capability and short-coming of a point&shoot / prosumer camera.

i still keep my prosumer, they're do come in handy some times. if used my prosumer for blog article header twice already. biggrin.gif i mean it being the subject.
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post Jan 17 2008, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(TheVoIP @ Jan 17 2008, 04:32 PM)
By the way, I can confirm the new D300 got live view, because I was shooting with some other photographer in wedding events. Live view very useful in those "yam seng" shots where you just need to lift up your camera high high and look at the LCD... Hahah...  drool.gif


was testing the D300 the other day, the focusing when in liveview was damn slow.

anyway want to look big? get a huge hood! rclxms.gif it's light but adds the impression!
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post Jan 17 2008, 06:15 PM

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hehe. lousy lens nmind. fashion runway, easier to get spotted by models. biggrin.gif

can add more bling too!
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post Jan 17 2008, 06:26 PM

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alright we're going off topic now. smile.gif
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post Jan 17 2008, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jan 17 2008, 09:40 PM)
The slow one is the tripod mode.
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was it? ok!

QUOTE(nuox @ Jan 17 2008, 08:41 PM)
what is the advantage of hood? i tot its for reduce glare. but if use lens filter do i need to use hood anymore?
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hood? make you look more power lor.

lens filter and hood serve different purpose.

hood blocks light from certain angle, like avoiding having flare in shots and such.

lens filter on the other hand........well you can go read up. UV, ND, CPL ablablabl.........

i use filters + hood to protect my lens from paintball pellets.
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post Jan 18 2008, 11:55 PM

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the orchids are under-exposed. you can bump up the exposure.
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post Jan 22 2008, 07:16 AM

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most importantly, PP with a purpose.

for me, my PP is almost always resize + sharpen + watermark + border only.

minor contrast / brightness correction if needed.

any further PPing would be considered as attempting to make picture into some creative form of art - not wrong either. smile.gif again, PP with a purpose. some times you need to PP to get a certain feel out of the pic.
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(derek87 @ Jan 22 2008, 03:16 PM)
yeap... that is what i mentioned in my earlier post, to bring out the elements of a photo. but for some people, they just  hate pp who pp.. i guess what they want is originality.  hmm.gif

Haha.. im always happy in both ways, pped pictures, or non pp.. if it's good, then i'll love it and be satisfy.
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for me, i like the photos to be as original as it is.

PPing goes beyond photography already, some end up doing it so much, end up becoming software expert. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:56 PM

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as long as your PP here doesn't mean "pang pui". tongue.gif

 

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