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post Jun 15 2008, 07:58 PM

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When a rabbit produces excess soft stool (cecals), the first thing to do is to examine its diet. A diet high in protein is usually the cause of excess cecals (barring any health problems).

What kind of pellets is Luli eating? Is it alfalfa-based pellets? Are you feeding Luli alfalfa hay as well?

Generally, it is recommended to feed baby rabbits with alfalfa-based pellets and alfalfa hay, as alfalfa is high in protein and a baby rabbit needs protein for growth and to strengthen its bones.

But some baby rabbits are sensitive to too much protein. In this case, you can replace alfalfa hay with timothy hay and see if there's improvements (hay is the most important part of a rabbit's diet and the fiber in hay helps to ensure a healthy digestive system).

If after switching to timothy hay, Luli still has excess cecals, cut down on alfalfa based pellets and switch him over to timothy based pellets slowly (i.e. if now he is eating 100% alfalfa pellets, give him 75% alfalfa and 25% timothy pellets, and slowly increase timothy pellets while decreasing alfalfa pellets). Changes to a rabbit's diet must be done slowly to allow time for its digestive tract to adjust to the change.


Added on June 15, 2008, 8:02 pm
QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jun 15 2008, 07:52 PM)
hmm partly because you have a small cage that's why he got no other place to poo, so his poo will eventually stick to his backside. but normally rabbits don't have much soft stools, bambi only has 1 or 2 soft stools a day, and not everyday it occurs but when it does, it stinks. tongue.gif i think the pee smells even worse actually. when you get a bigger cage then you can litter train LULI.
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to reduce the smell of pee, you can add a few teaspoons of sodium bicarbonate into Bambi's litter, i tried this before and it works (cheap too! biggrin.gif ). I also tried recycled paper litter, can't remember the brand now, but pet safari sells it, it comes in a few different colours (grey, pink, blue), it works well too in reducing odour. Woody Pet also does the job, its a wood-pellet litter. And after their spay & neuter, their pee no longer smells icon_rolleyes.gif

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yea, sodium bicarbonate = baking soda, need to go to those baking shops to get it.. couldn't find them for sale in jusco, giant etc.

lol, put a peg to ur nose in the mornings tongue.gif yea ventilation helps a lot!
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you need to stop giving papaya tablets to luli. treats & vege should be given AFTER the rabbit is 3mths old. even then, vege & treats have to be introduced SLOWLY. treats are high in sugar which is very bad for rabbits if given in excess, and to give papaya tablets daily, that is just too much sugar for him. i only give my rabbits 1 tablet a week, and they are already adults.

cut out all treats and see if he still has excess cecals.

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post Jun 15 2008, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(jaanu1128 @ Jun 15 2008, 09:55 PM)
i've stop the papaya tablet once but still the same.seems no change..i just start giving back the tablet 2 weeks ago...is it my rabbit have GIT problem? or i need to start giving him timothy hay...can u suggest me any type of timothy hay should i give? i've been to vet once for this problem...the doc told me that its normal and vet gave me medicine name "probiotic" for the digestive..but the soft stool still the same...so i thought its normal...
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stop the papaya tablets, and switch to timothy hay. doesn't matter what brand, as long as the hay is green and fresh, dont choose those which are yellow or brown.

does luli eat a lot of hay? if he is not, and he seems to prefer to eat pellets more than hay, then you may need to cut down on the amount of pellets which you are feeding him, to encourage him to eat more hay

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QUOTE(jaanu1128 @ Jun 15 2008, 10:43 PM)
the vet gave mu probiotic in tablet form (like human tablet)...i need to open the tablet cover and dilute in glucose that provided and give to rabbit using syringe...

yeah i have read also too early separate from mother can also cause the prob from this website...

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html

do i need to fine BENEBAC to give to him?

Added on June 15, 2008, 10:47 pmLuli eat a lot of pallet but very little of hay...so now i think i need to stop giving him pallet..from what i know this is the only way to force him to eat hay...if i gave both he will surely choose pallet...thanks everybody... i will try to change the diet, stop papaya tablet and start giving timothy hay..
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dilute with glucose?? please don't do that. sugar is bad for their digestive system. can you just dilute with water? alternatively, if its fine powder, then you can sprinkle the powder over a small amount of pellets, that will be easier than feeding him with a syringe

just a note: after you change his diet, it may take 2wks to 1mth for the excess cecals to stop.

as for Benebac, the bacteria culture in Benebac which seems to do the work is Lactobacillus Casei (although this bacteria does not seem to live in a rabbit's digestive tract, it somehow seems to help control the population of good and bad bacteria in the rabbit's digestive tract). Do you have that bacteria in the probiotics prescribed by your vet? if you do, then you don't need to get Benebac

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QUOTE(je5sie @ Jun 16 2008, 04:10 PM)
nicoty_yne, I got the same cage as yours. (w/o the renovations la, hehe) But i had to line the side of the cage with newspaper cause my Piggy's poop and pee always drop out from the cage. Or he would purposely kick the alfafa hay out of the cage. grrr.. It made my house messy, I wonder do u have the same problem and how to avoid this. Anyone can enlighten me?
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you can use cardboard or coroplast to line the sides of the cage, kind of like a low wall, so poo/food won't get kicked out. but if your rabbit sprays, then a bit difficult lol! if your rabbit loves to chew, better use cardboard, coroplast is a plastic-like board, not good for them to consume it


Added on June 16, 2008, 9:05 pm
QUOTE(djspinnet @ Jun 16 2008, 08:06 PM)
Thanks all for your kind words.
I'll be alright but I still miss Proudfoot alot. Keep thinking about her. And it feels weird to have only 1 more rabbit around.

What makes it even more difficult for me to let go actually is the fact that I bought my rabbits long long time ago as part of my recovery. I was sick then, hospitalized and out of school for a very long time and got depressed, so my doctor suggested pet therapy to help me get well faster. So I got the rabbits, Proudfoot and Sprinkles, and they both helped nurse me back to health as well as keep me happy. They'd come and lie down with me when I'm sad, run up to me to kiss my forehead when I'm depressed, and all that. Until today, people who've seen me and my rabbits are amazed at how tame my rabbits are and how they can just lie down happily in my arms without squirming. THey were more than just a pet... really more than just a pet.

For my father, my two rabbits were his "replacement daughters" when both me and my sister left the "nest" for studies and then later, settled down in KL for work. He really took very good care of the rabbits while I was gone.

So for me and my father, Proudfoot's death really hit us quite hard. For the first time in my life I saw my father bend his head in his arms, trying to compose himself after burying Proudfoot...
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losing a pet is truly difficult when we are so attached to them. my friend's dad was so sad after losing his cat that he vowed never to keep any more pets, he can't take the heartache, poor guy... i'll probably feel the same in his shoes, or in your shoes... but i think such loss is greatly outweighed by those special memories which only our pets can give us. cherish your memories of proudfoot, and share them with us anytime you feel like it smile.gif

how is sprinkles doing?

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QUOTE(jaanu1128 @ Jun 17 2008, 04:29 PM)
Guys..can someone advise me the best vet for rabbit...coz some vet more specialize in cats n dogs problem only....
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sent u a PM smile.gif
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yea, its normal.. unless its blood

the white stuff that you see, that's calcium residue
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lol, does that keep you up at night?? my buns make a lot of noise at night too, ripping boxes apart, zooming around the living room and crashing into things, pushing their igloo around.. that igloo really makes a lot of noise! it sounds like someone's dragging furniture across the room tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jaanu1128 @ Jun 18 2008, 02:34 PM)
My notty notty Luli after 2weeks stayed with me...around 1 1/2 month old.... now its almost 3 month old already
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He's so adorable!! fluffy little boy tongue.gif where did you get him from?
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QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jun 18 2008, 08:02 PM)
yeah tell me about it  rclxub.gif somore got cars that she can go under, pots of plants to hide in between then she'll sit there and there's no way to get her to come out unless you budge with a stick, that way oso she still won't move sigh. luckily bambi doesn't like to dig or jump, just run around haha, and i let her be the whole day until at night then bring her in. so i don't have the hot sun to complain, but LOTS of mosquitoes. ergh.. good for my fighting fish la, but i can't be smacking mosquitoes and chasing bambi into her cage at the same time  doh.gif
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ahh.. this is where treats come in handy wink.gif they come running, no they come charging! as soon as they smell fruit, or raisins, or craisins lol

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oh..haha i just use it to lure them out, then give them a small piece.. can't give them too much

max they get each week is either 1 papaya tablet or 3 raisins or 2 craisins or some fruit hahaha these fellas can really beg!! damn cute
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lol, his butt looks like a cheerleaders pom pom! so flufffyyyyyyy!!!!
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QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Jun 19 2008, 01:05 PM)
YUP i saw in Carrefour.. but it is assemble as multipurpose rack... later i'll contact the cage supplier.. let me see if they can get those grid panels..


Added on June 19, 2008, 1:07 pm11Jan, where did u get ur furminator? If i'm not mistaken, u said u bought them from Singapore, isnt it? I went to singapore? Or u shop via online? i found in Ebay.. but not sure it i buy in ebay, the price will be more expensive then RM120 or not... Plus, i dunno how this ebay thing works.. just put my bid on that furminator and see the progress.


Added on June 19, 2008, 1:10 pmAnd a quick question.. have u tried the furminator? does it make any noise or it works like a normal comb, except it has the 'teeth' to remove the unwanted hair? I want to try it to Micky.. she has 2inches length wool-type fur.
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Yup I got mine from SG, via an online petshop (http://www.petssion.com.sg/) but they don't accept credit cards and they dont deliver outside of SG, so I got my friends to help me COD and bring back to kl for me biggrin.gif you can order from US too, but it may cost more. Currently, Petssion is having a sale on the furminator, its SGD50.50 (after a 15% discount)

it doenst make any noise, its just a conventional comb, except with really good teeth

have you tried those rubber mat combs? looks something like this http://www.puplife.com/Shop/Control/Produc...sid/0/SFV/32255. someone commented on my blog that she found it really useful. i havent tried it personally, but i've seen it being sold in kl (although under different brand names). maybe you can try that out, since its more easily accessible locally.. then tell us how u rate it! wink.gif
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carpet & marble are very cute! are they male or female?
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marble sounds like a diva! lovin' the limelight wink.gif

you may need to separate them very soon though, to avoid accidental pregnancies .. males mature around 3mths wink.gif
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QUOTE(Stalvros @ Jun 19 2008, 03:51 PM)
Hmmm so it will take a while for the ear to lop eh?
That's ok, it just looks very uneven at the moment

With regards to pregnant, that's alright XD
My elder sis says that she wants one of the child for herself.
What's the max baby bunnies that a rabbit could give birth to anyways?
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each litter, generally there would be 4-6 babies

there are a lot of things to consider before breeding your rabbits:

1. even if u do plan to breed them, keeping them together for now is NOT ok. because marble would get pregnant very very early (most likely before 6mths! females mature around 4-5 mths). just imagine a girl getting pregnant at 12 and you'll get the idea

2. your sister wants one baby.. what happens to the rest? if you keep them, you'll need a lot of space because, as mentioned earlier, the males have to be separated from the females. not only that, same sex rabbits need to be separated too because once they reach adulthood (about 6mths) they get very very hormonal and will fight, sometimes fatally. rabbits are capable of killing each other, do not underestimate them

3. if you want to give the babies away or sell them, will you be able to find so many good homes for them? i'm sure you want the babies to go to homes where they get good food, plenty of exercise time and attention from the owner, right?

4. rabbits are pregnant for only 31 days. the female can conceive again as soon as she has given birth. that means, marble can get pregnant 12 times a year if you dont separate her from carpet. with 6 babies in a litter, that is 72 babies, and that's not counting the babies that marble's daughters will have!

5. you're in Singapore right? think about all the homeless rabbits in the House Rabbit Society of Singapore, waiting to be adopted. by bringing more rabbits into the world, essentially these rabbits will have lower chances of finding permanent homes. Maybe your sister can consider rescuing one of the poor homeless bunnies from HRSS instead

just some things to consider before saying its ok, i want my rabbits to have babies

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QUOTE(jaanu1128 @ Jun 20 2008, 03:10 PM)
guys..what brand of pallet  is good for rabbit?in medium price.. anyone can recommend?i have seen Briter Bunny brand and king fischer at pet safari..is that a good brand?
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not sure about king fischer, dont recall seeing it, but briter bunny .. i wouldn't use that. high protein, low fiber. good pellets should have low protein (16% or less), high fiber (more than 20%)
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Healthy rabbits do not need nutrical (or any other dietary supplement). nutrical is very high in calories and is only used when you need to stimulate the appetite of a rabbit which hasn't been eating (and it appears likely that the rabbit will go into GI stasis if it does not start eating again soon)

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again? a lot of ppl have given you advice the last time you asked that question. go back to the older posts and read those advice. seriously, there's no point in us repeating ourselves over and over again, only to be ignored

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