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post Jun 3 2008, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCross @ Jun 3 2008, 03:43 PM)
can anyone tell me how much is the price for rabbit?
and most in pet shop the rabbit is already adult..should we get that or get baby rabbit
what is the life span for rabbit??
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Please DO NOT buy rabbits younger than 8 weeks. we have had godknows how many deaths in this forum already from ppl buying rabbits which are too young.. they left their mothers too young and have not had the chance to develop a healthy digestive system, and end up dying.

we really need to boycott petshops which are selling rabbits (or other animals) too young. stop demanding for tiny baby rabbits from petshops simply because they look cute. put an end to unethical breeding and give these baby rabbits a chance to stay longer with their mothers and grow up healthy
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QUOTE(dstyx @ Jun 3 2008, 10:39 PM)
Hi there. Does anyone know where I can get NIC (Neat Idea Cubes) around KL / Sngor?
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Haven't managed to find any in KL/S'gor. i heard that Makro used to carry them.. for now, the only place i know off where you can find NIC is in the Daiso outlets in Singapore. SGD2 per panel
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QUOTE(djspinnet @ Jun 3 2008, 10:37 PM)
Which vet did you bring it to?

I used to stay in Taiping before, and in fact I bought my rabbits when I was in Taiping, and I've brought my rabbits to the vet in Taiping once (to get an bleeding bite wound treated).

Generally, you really cannot depend on pet shop owners or vets for advise in Taiping. If you live there long enough you should already know why. Not many people in Taiping keep a pet that is not a dog, cat or hamster, so the vet is not experienced enough with other small animals like rabbits or chinchillas or ferrets or what not.

Edit: Also, no offense to the pro-Oxbow products or good hay & pellet advocates here and what not, but its premature to think that alfalfa hay could have saved your rabbit if it was readily available in Taiping. All you really needed was good and timely care, and like everyone has been saying, research beforehand. I raised my rabbits in Taiping on locally made pellets and zero hay. They ate the Japanese needle grass planted in my garden instead, and the veggies my mom plants. Sometimes they get fresh veggies that my parents specially buy for them.

So for those who buy into the whole "alfalfa hay is the way!" idea -- if you wish to get it, stop grumbling that you can't find alfalfa hay or that you have to drive out all the way or go out of your way to get it. If you want to willingly get it, by all means, but don't grumble. Because alfalfa hay or no alfalfa hay, a rabbit will live long and healthy as long as it is well cared for. My rabbits never tasted hay in their life at all yet are living a full long life. Eat grass, local pellets and some veggies only.

P/S: In case someone still doesn't get what I'm trying to say, essentially, caring for a rabbit is a lot simpler if you know what you're doing. Rabbits can be low maintenance pets if you know how to take care properly of it within the limits of your resources.
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Good on you for bringing up your rabbits so well rclxms.gif

There must be a misunderstanding somewhere. We 'good quality food advocates' have never ever said that alfalfa hay could save a rabbit's life. Although it would make our lives a lot easier if we could just chuck a bunch of alfalfa hay at sick rabbits and expect them to magically spring back to life in the very next instant.

The problem, as most of us here are aware, is that the majority of people do not bother to do some research on an animal before buying it. they can come to the forum and post, but they are somehow incapable of going to google.com to learn a little bit more. and so, they go out and purchase tiny little rabbits, cos they are just so freaking cute! nevermind the fact that they are too young to be sold, they have been deprived of the mother's milk and without the essential nutrients from their mother's milk, their digestive system is under-developed. With the stress of leaving their family, moving to a new environment, adapting to different types of food... its no surprise that the digestive system gets compromised resulting in fatal diarrhea.

What we 'good quality food advocates' are trying to achieve here is to encourage owners to provide their rabbits with a diet as close to their natural diet as possible, so that its easier on their digestive system and hopefully their baby bunnies will survive til adulthood. (BTW, hay is dried grass. the varieties may differ, but its still 'grass'. so although your rabbits may not have tasted hay in their entire life, they did in fact enjoy the benefits of high-fibre food in its most natural form).

As for good quality food... well end of the day it boils down to the quality of life which an owner wants to give its rabbit. since it seems such a hard concept to grasp, lets try to see it this way: would you feed your child fast food throughout his entire life? sure he wont die, but is it healthy? and if you could afford it, wouldn't you want to give him a better diet?

and i don't think it really costs that much to give good quality food. I use Oxbow pellets (not saying that Oxbow is THE brand, but in Msia, it has the best nutritional content so far), 4 types of hay, tons of vegetables... which comes up to RM180/mth for 2 rabbits. big amount?? not really.. divide that by 30 days and i only get RM3/day/rabbit ... is that too much to ask for? if it is then seriously, i think some people should reconsider keeping rabbits, because if the rabbit gets sick, the vet bill is gonna cost way more!

and for the record, i do not and have never considered it a burden to give good food to my rabbits

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QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Jun 4 2008, 12:42 PM)
i was looking for the same NIC also.. but last month, i saw them in Carrefour Seberang Perai. It was located at the furniture department, together with other metal/heavy duty rack. It has been assembled. Later i check again and take photo using my handphone k.
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were they for sale, or was Carrefour using it for their own display purposes? i've seen carrefour at midvalley using it to display school uniform, but they didn't have any for sale


Added on June 4, 2008, 2:16 pm
QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Jun 4 2008, 01:02 PM)
i keep seeing u guys posting and mention about needle grass. Is it this grass? Correct me if i'm wrong. I'm interested to know more about types of grass that can be planted to our garden and safe to our bunnies..

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i've read before that generally most grass are safe, but you'd better do more research on that tongue.gif if you have a garden, you can also plant herbs for your rabbits or you can grow wheatgrass in small pots.

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QUOTE(djspinnet @ Jun 4 2008, 03:45 PM)
Whoops don't get me wrong smile.gif

I'm not saying good quality food = pointless or show off how well I take care of my bunnies (because there are people here who take better care than I do). I do buy quality food for my rabbits from time to time too.

But more like, within limited resources, it is still possible to provide certain foods to the rabbits, especially in small towns where life is not a concrete jungle, as stop gap measures (or even as a permanent diet). What I often see in these animal forums (not just in the multiple incarnations of the rabbit thread, but also in other pet threads I visit), is that because these good food advocates talk so much about good quality food that often newbies end up thinking if I don't provide this and that to my <insert_pet_type>, my pet will not be as healthy/happy/whatever, just as easily as they forget to research on pet care before they get the pet. To me, that is also a concern because when that particular brand/food type is unavailable, chances of them being unable to think of alternatives (e.g., normal grass) becomes low and may end up complaining. You know how easy it is to misinterpret.
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QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Jun 4 2008, 05:45 PM)
Carrefour penang sell it, but as a multipurpose rack, not a DIY cage.

Yeah, i will do more researh on plants and herbs.. Next year i'll having my own house, and it will be a corner unit with a lot of space for rabbit n garden...  tongue.gif
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NIC is marketed as multipurpose storage panels. Its only the pet lovers who creatively turned it into a cage. If Carrefour PG sells it, then Carrefour KL should have it too .. hopefully.. biggrin.gif
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more baby pics!!!

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post Jun 8 2008, 01:44 PM

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Photo time, eh? rclxms.gif

Well.. here goes:

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post Jun 9 2008, 08:48 AM

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wow that was fast! nice looking rabbit, mybrain. glad to see its in good hands with kenjibritney smile.gif
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QUOTE(pancho @ Jun 9 2008, 03:54 PM)
there's no crust part...
nothing broken..but the ear still jatuh sebelah...
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if theres nothing wrong with the ear (no mites/injury etc) then the rabbit probably just has lop genes
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Bambi sounds like one happy bunny! smile.gif
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next month u free?
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Wah so fast u wanna make a date with me for July?? tongue.gif


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QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Jun 10 2008, 01:13 PM)
Daddy is back!! Now very healthy and notty again...!  tongue.gif
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where was daddy before this?? btw, daddy looks like kevinbritney's bambi biggrin.gif

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its normal to chew newspaper, rabbits enjoy ripping up the paper.. its not an indication of any nutrient deficiency. if the newspaper is printed with soy-based ink, its safe.... but i have not called any newspaper to ask what ink they use haha let me know if you do.

so instead of newspaper, i prefer to give them cardboard boxes to destroy. give those brown plain ones, without much printing on it. don't use those with shiny smooth surfaces. same goes for paper.. dont give those magazine pages with shiny smooth surfaces.

sorry bout getting ur nick wrong haha when i think of britney, i think of kevin too tongue.gif

as for the cage bottom, if you don't have any tiles at the moment, you can lay some towels first. but watch her to make sure she's not the type to chew on the towel, cos you wouldn't want her to swallow the fabric accidentally smile.gif i see you have a play pen in your previous pictures. you could just use the play pen instead of using the cage, and give her a litter box for her too do her business in.. that way you wont have to worry bout wire bottoms smile.gif

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QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jun 11 2008, 09:08 AM)
yup but i'll have to litter train her first, but then we're thinking of getting her a bigger cage so maybe can make a 2nd level for her to climb on and rest.

just gave her a big cardboard box this morning and she went straight to chew it and sit inside, i guess she just loves to chew.

hey, could i get one of the chew toys from you? dunno if bambi would like it but i guess she would. pm me?

haha kevin and britney.. don't care la don't like them anymore. tongue.gif
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u mean u once liked them?? tongue.gif tongue.gif

if bambi is a chewer, then i guess she would like them. my bunnies are major chewers, they attack without any second thoughts haha

you can also try hard plastic baby toys (make sure no soft plastic/rubber parts). i gave them a baby rattle, looks like a dumb-bell.. my rabbit likes to grab the middle part and toss the toy away. i also gave them a set of baby plastic keys, they like tossing that too.


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QUOTE(bebee @ Jun 11 2008, 09:38 AM)
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sorry i blur already
should be next week  blush.gif
for me & 11Jan to know & for u to find out  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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next week wat day?

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QUOTE(bebee @ Jun 11 2008, 09:59 AM)
11 Jan dear please PM me ur msn tongue.gif
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we can do our best to keep their environment clean and hopefully the parasites will stay away. but there is nothing we can do to prevent that 100%. what we can do is to keep a close eye on our rabbits, the minute you see any signs of skin/mites problem, treat it fast so that it doesnt get worse and make your rabbit uncomfortable
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the treatment depends on what sort of problem you are facing... there is no one treatment that can be used to treat all types of problems. is there is a specific problem that you are concerned with?

one of the many articles out there on parasites and treatment methods: http://www.mybunny.org/info/mites.pdf

*DO NOT USE FRONTLINE (active ingredient: FIPRONIL) ON RABBITS!!*

Also, certain rabbits are extra sensitive to Ivermectin, and treating them with Ivermectin may have fatal results. From what I know so far, it is usually rabbits carrying the Vienna gene which have sensitivity issues. Rabbits carrying the Vienna genes are those which have Dutch markings, Blue Eyed White (BEW), and other coloured rabbits with white patches/markings on their head/front legs/chest. Not ALL of them will have sensitivity issues, but if your rabbit has these markings, its best to discuss the possibilities with your vet before administering Ivermectin.

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well...as I said, it doesnt mean ALL rabbits with those markings cannot use Ivermectin. But just be extra careful before you give them Ivermectin, maybe the vet can try with a very very small amount (check with the vet about this), or see if there are other options available.

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pancho, use wire mesh in your litter trays so that the bunnies won't step on the litter/pee/poo

nicoty_yne, if white eyebrows because the fur colour there is naturally white, then nothing to worry about. what kind of flea powder are you using? flea powder which are made for kittens, rite? smile.gif
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QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jun 12 2008, 02:04 PM)
ohmy.gif Looks like my bambi (probably with less fur tongue.gif)! lol. btw, he's lionhead ar? for bambi, not sure if she's lionhead cause doesn't look very much like lionhead although previous owner said she's lionhead.

Msian rabbit breeds are quite mixed, very very few pure breeds around. Bambi definitely has the mane gene distinctive to lionheads (hence the long fur/mane around her face), but she probably doesn't look like the pure-bred lionheads to you because of her mixed background

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