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sangterap
post Jul 7 2008, 01:38 PM

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I think 500ml to 700ml is quite reasonable. I have one rabbit that drink around that amount too.

I don't think there is anything to worry about.

QUOTE(nicoty_yne @ Jul 7 2008, 01:19 PM)
Guys, please answer this.. Do u have male rabbit more than 1 year old? How many water intake it takes daily?

My previous male Nino drank 250ml a day... But daddy (1and half years old bunny) drinking habit rly makes me wori.. sad.gif He drinks 500-700ml daily. I check from the internet about renal dissease symptom, but he didnt show any sign of getting renal disease (or any disease), except drink alot. Dr Pillai said ok.. but i'm going to send him to other vet soon.

Owh, btw... i'm now preparing him for neutering process.. And hope this drinking problem wont give any bad effect to the neutering..

I only found 3 vets (from yellow pages) who do neutering.

1) Dr Pillai (Chai Leng Park) - RM60 (male only). He's using local anaesthetic (bcoz he said the other anaesthetic are stong for rabbit), the rabbit is concious during the surgery.. I'll not send Daddy here.

2) Pusat Haiwan Pulau Pinang - RM80 (male only). He said he's using mix anaesthetic, but he said safe for rabbit. But my bf and frens said goverment selalunya tak ok.. What do u guys think?

3) Dr. Pava & Dr. Shohna Vet Surgeon (Bukit Gelugor) - RM280 for male. I didnt ask the spaying cost, sori.. Should i send Daddy here?
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post Jul 8 2008, 11:59 AM

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very sorry to hear. and very shocked at the same time. Very sudden. It just collapsed and died?

QUOTE(::MaghuL:: @ Jul 8 2008, 09:17 AM)
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post Jul 8 2008, 02:56 PM

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Yeah, was about to suggest play pens and mei leng already posted.

I have seen people using a HARNESS specially for rabbits but I personally feel that it is not a good idea to tie the rabbit because when he/she panics and struggling may cause injuries.

QUOTE(adriel_heresy @ Jul 8 2008, 02:36 PM)
hello, guyz.
i have this stupid question.
did any of you chain or tie you rabbits?
the reason i asked this is because i wan to bring my bunnies to a nearby park.
and let them roam free while i do my jogging there.
but the problem is i scare they will run away and i will have hard time catching then back.
i was thinking of maybe tie them to a rope.
anyone have better suggestion.
currently, they are playing in my house.
so first time in the park should be fun to them.
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QUOTE(lm_meileng @ Jul 8 2008, 02:42 PM)
tie yr buns up is not really a good idea, u might want to bring along the play pens and put yr buns in the play pens for them to explore in the field, well...the more play pens u have, the bigger space u can provide to yr buns........ smile.gif
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post Jul 9 2008, 12:24 PM

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if you dowan to spay/neuter then it's best to just keep them apart. later 'accidents' happen.


Sorry to be rude but i just have to say this. Looking at the scenario, my gut feeling tells me that he memang want accidents to happen. Intentionally...

Other than that, I have no comments but just want to share what I found in my research:

Taken from: http://www.rabbitadoption.org/breed.html

Why should I spay or neuter?

Why shouldn't I breed my rabbit?

First, take a look at our "unwanted rabbit" statistics for the past 3 years, including the number we were able to save. The rabbits we were unable to save are rabbits who most likely died because there were not enough homes for all of them. Unwanted rabbits come in all colors, ages and breeds. They come in friendly temperaments and not so friendly temperaments.

Aprox. 75% of the calls we get from people wanting to turn over their rabbits have rabbits between 9 months and 18 months of age. These rabbits are still very young, too young to be unwanted. Too young to die simply because there are not enough good homes for all of them. Too young to die because their owners didn't properly research what living with a rabbit is really like.

What happens to rabbits when there are not enough homes for them?

Some of these unwanted rabbits

*are killed for snake or people food
*are euthanized at animal shelters
*are dumped in residential neighborhoods where they are chased by children; poisoned by angry neighbors; hit by cars; attacked by dogs; etc...
*are dumped in the woods or at "bunny colony sites" where they starve to death; die from dehydration, injuries or illness; are eaten by wild animals; are attacked by other rabbits; etc...
*are bred on a whim creating more unwanted rabbits
*are passed from home to home, forgotten and unloved, becoming increasingly more depressed and anti-social, being fed improper diets, having their illnesses left untreated because no one wants to spend money on "that animal", finally dying and being released at last from a life that was miserable.

There are reasons to breed, very valid ones such as breeding because you want to better a particular breed. If you are going to breed to make money, don't waste your time. Reputable breeders are not getting rich, just ask one how much money they made last year after expenses. Breeding is done because of a love of the breed, not for profit. Reputable breeders are doing their homework and are not breeding simply to create more rabbits. They breed carefully and with a plan in mind.

If you are going to breed, please think carefully. Are they rabbits who are not related? Do you have purebred rabbits? Are they excellent quality rabbits from excellent quality rabbits?

You should not breed rabbits from a pet store or from a person who allowed their mixed breed rabbits have young. Quality rabbits come with a pedigree, were you given one? Have you researched the genetics of the parent's colors so you are going to get "showable" colors? Excellent quality rabbits cost money and can take time to find, can you spend the money and time? Have you researched your area so that you know that the breed you are considering is one that owners in your area actually are interested in? Are you willing to spay or neuter any pet quality rabbits or rabbits with genetic problems before selling so they do not reproduce? How will you place these rabbits, what does it cost to advertise, are you set up to keep any babies that don't sell, etc...? (A pet store should not be an option in 99.9% of the cases!)

Breeding rabbits means providing proper housing. Even if you only have two rabbits, and want just one litter, you need 4 cages. One cage for the mother, one for the father, and two cages to separate the babies by sex. <Mothers should not live with the father, or every 28-32 days you will have a litter! Babies must be separated by sex no later than 9 weeks old. Leaving them with the parents can cause fighting!> Any baby rabbit who does not find a home by 12 weeks old will need their own cage or will need to be altered to prevent fighting with their siblings. A female can have 1-12 babies, average around 3-7 depending on the breed of rabbit. If you needed to do so, can you house up to 10 babies? Not just for short term, think long term, you might not be able to find homes for these babies easily, so be prepared.

More and more reputable breeders are refusing to sell to pet homes if the talk on the streets is true. It's hard to find good pet homes for the rabbits because many pet owners purchase on impulse. If you do decide to place in a pet home, be positive you are prepared to do either home checks or careful screening. Be prepared to do education to ensure the home is going to be a permanent one before you sell a single pet rabbit. Do they want the rabbit "just for the kids", "for Easter", or "just because they are cute"? Or do they want a long term family pet? If they want to breed, are you willing to help mentor them or find someone who can?

If you breed and plan to sell to pet homes, you need to plan on taking any rabbits back if they become unwanted in the future. If you are not willing to take back every single rabbit if the owners decide they can't keep a bunny, you will have at least some babies of yours who wind up in bad situations like the rabbits above, even with careful screening of the homes beforehand. Be sure you are committed to taking those babies back, even when they are rebellious teenagers or older adults if these homes don't work out despite screening.

If you are not able to take them back, are you at least willing to work with the person to help them find a new home? Keep in mind that people tend to get stupid. They don't always ask for help until the day before they are moving. Careful screening of pet homes will help to prevent this. The majority of problems come from impulse purchases. You might make a person angry by saying no and not selling to them, but you will not be dealing with an angry person later who has a 7 month old rabbit they are threatening to dump in the woods.

Are you willing to take back not only the rabbit you sold them, but the "accidental litter" that happened if you didn't insist that every pet rabbit sold MUST be spayed and neutered at breeding age? At some point, it's going to happen if you don't fix them before they leave, be prepared. If you turn them away, you are part of the problem and should not be breeding. Reputable breeders of any animal have a "take back policy" or offer placement help.

Please don't be like some of the breeders who have "emergency sales" (aka selling to anyone with the money to take one, regardless of how good the home is) to sell older babies because they get "too crowded". Breeding is something you CAN control if you are responsible. If you are not prepared for the number of babies that might not sell as babies, needing to live with you for several months, please DON'T breed!

If you aren't prepared for the responsibility of any of this, you are part of the problem, even if you allow your rabbit to have just "one litter". YOU are responsible for the feeding, housing, vet care, socialization, etc, of EVERY single rabbit you create through breeding. Can you live with that? Can you afford that? Do you have the time for that? Think about it before you breed. Too often we get calls from people who put two bunnies together and now can't find homes for the babies and can't afford to house the teenagers. (Or worse, don't separate the teens so now THEY had babies also. In 2005, we got a phone call from someone with 30 rabbits just because of this.) Don't become a "bad breeder", one who breeds without a well thought out plan ahead of time.

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post Jul 9 2008, 03:18 PM

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Hi,

We need to make it very clear that human emotions is not the same as animal emotions. We feel very sad because one of our pets died. But for rabbit it is not that way.

To a certain extend, I believe rabbits are quite solitary animals (contrary to popular beliefs) and they normally come in contact mostly for breeding. They establishes their own territories. That is what I derive from my experiences which many may not have the same opinion. But I guess it is very different based on different individuals. Some rabbits have the best temperament (through breeding of good genes, yes TEMPERAMENT are inherited) which can be bonded with a fellow good temperament rabbit.

At the end of the day it still boils down to how bad the HORMONES rage!

I do not think they will be depressed being alone. And to have a pet is to spend time with the pet. There should not be a reason for the rabbit to feel lonely if you spend ample of time with it. Also bear in mind, introducing another rabbit may not get the same effect like before.

My suggestion would be if you intend to get him/her another friend, intro before you purchase. See if fights break out but then again, things may change after some time. You need a lot of time to ascertain if both are okie with each other.

QUOTE(::MaghuL:: @ Jul 9 2008, 03:06 PM)
hello,
i hv few questions.

if two rabbits used to live together in one cage more than 6 months, then one of them died. wut will hapend to another rabbit? it is ok to live alone? depress?

other than to spend more time with the rabbit wut else can the owner do?
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post Jul 9 2008, 03:49 PM

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Yeah...should include in first post.

Who's setting up? When the post hit 2500 we'll know.....

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QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jul 9 2008, 03:34 PM)
that's an interesting link you found, should be added into 1st post. i haven't actually thought about it before, partly cause i only have 1 rabbit anyway.

actually come to think of it, it's gonna be V6 soon so who's up to creating it?
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sangterap
post Jul 9 2008, 03:55 PM

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HAHAHA! how you know I have all at my fingertips? You want to contribute for 1st page?

no need to reserve 7 post la...just spam terus!

QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jul 9 2008, 03:50 PM)
eii don't wait till hit 2500 la later we'll be hanging around waiting for someone to create a topic oni.. i suggest you should start creating one now but keep it closed till this one hit max. after all, you got all the info at your fingertips biggrin.gif

reserve 7 posts then after that we can start spamming lol.
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post Jul 9 2008, 04:07 PM

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yeah continue spamming!
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post Jul 9 2008, 04:17 PM

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cannot reserve la...auto added on leh....nvm la...just spam only...
i have some plans for the thumbnails....

QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jul 9 2008, 04:12 PM)
and remember not to post in V6 yet!

eh.. 1 post cukup ah? dowan to put at least 1 reserve?

and thumbnail it as well please biggrin.gif if i free i make my own userbar then can put there too.
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Yeah...let's talk about death since we're coming to the end of V5....then we start with birth in V6!!!

QUOTE(11Jan @ Jul 9 2008, 04:15 PM)
Maghul, what happened to Lebot actually?
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20 more!! go go go!! each one post 4! bwahahahaha

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post Jul 9 2008, 04:22 PM

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kena terkejut ke....

sure cry until mata bengkak wei...
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post Jul 9 2008, 04:29 PM

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Version 6 is ready.....can move over anytime...reserved only 1 la...no need so many! SPAM ON GUYS!!!!
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post Jul 9 2008, 04:35 PM

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it is hard to take death sometimes. tell your friend that we all rabbit people mourn with her...

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