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centaurfly
post Aug 3 2008, 02:06 PM

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I was trying to look for a FS that can match Damien's size, when I found this goliath jumping spider instead. drool.gif Its really huge and I think it maybe the biggest species found in Singapore.

I can't find any detail of Goliath in the net. The nearest match is the Biting Jumping Spider from Australia, but the body length from that site stated 10mm. http://www.geocities.com/brisbane_spiders/...mpingSpider.htm

I measured just the bodylength of Goliath (minus the legs), its 13mm.

Its quite docile, and willing to explore my hands without any coaxing needed..

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Last pic is the size comparision of Goliath vs Damien..... hmm.gif

Caught 3 males after Goliath, at least 1 is approx same size as Damien, I thought. Turn out that new guy has a "weak heart", sad.gif Faced any male or female FS also run.... doh.gif
centaurfly
post Aug 5 2008, 09:34 AM

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Hi Viper.

Lately I was quite busy, and no I have not recorded any new FS fight. I have seen Raymond's post, and he has already released his FS.

Something I noticed about Thiania bhamoensis. Majority that I kept, shy away from prey almost the same size, or slightly larger than them. e.g. a common housefly (Musca domestica). Hyllus Diardi, Telamonia festiva, Plexippus paykulli, has more courage when it comes to hunting prey. I can feed grasshoppers, houseflies & Moths at least 1/3 sized larger than them without any problem.

I fed Goliath with the medium sized green grasshopper. Its has a very strong jump, you can really feel the impact when it landed on your hand after a leap. I'll try to record the video of itself facing off against it's mirror image.

I also caught two Viciria praemandibularis, 1 male & 1 female. They are pretty impressive when it comes to feeding on moths. Both male and females, remove the wings of the moths during feeding. The Moths becomes 5 pieces in the morning, 4 wings, 1 body. blink.gif

Ripper is a good fighter, maybe you can find some females, let them consumate, then release the females somewhere you can locate back later to find its offspring?

I have let Damien, and Marauder (yes, he also can mate) done that, and released the females to my garden. 2 females each so far. Life is short for them, mate them with more females while they still can. drool.gif

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centaurfly
post Aug 11 2008, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Aug 10 2008, 01:13 AM)
This spider i only saw it a few times in my life time, and this is the first time i see such a large and fine specimen. I caught one small one this year but let it go already. I would love to see how this Goliath would match up against a similar specimen or with another male Bavia.
You have some superbly clear macros there. Damn those fangs are awesome.
Goliath seems to be the same species as the spider once posted up by someone called Leremy
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...fighting+spider
http://www.talkandshare.com/index.php/Gene...ver-caught.html
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This is a male Hyllus diardi, as I have found out last week, and I was also quite interested to see how he will display against another male of the same species. I placed him infront of a mirror, and he must have noted his own refelection, ...... he started walking backward.... blink.gif

Yup its the same species Leremy has posted.

Too bad Goliath died during the transfer I intended to a new found friend for a breeding project. doh.gif

After I found him lifeless in the container, I went out in search for another Hyllus diardi.....did not find any, but caught this lovely girl, Tangy instead....dun know what species is Tangy though...she has no "horns" like Mina

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Compared to Mina (Hyllus semicupreus), which I previously erroneously posted as a Hyllus diardi.
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centaurfly
post Aug 12 2008, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Aug 11 2008, 06:03 PM)
50 years ago?  Walau.  I wonder spiders at that time were bigger than the ones now.  I'm sure he has a few good stories to tell, hey?

Centaur: 
Thanks for the pics.  They are very nice macros.  The Hyllus pictures look very much like the "Hantu Kuning" (Evarcha flavocincta) I used to play with, which were very good fighters.  Probably a close relative.
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I have got a female Evarcha flavocincta sometime back too...pretty big for a jumping spider. Those "horns" are similar to the Hyllus.

I remember trying to fight a much smaller male Hyllus diardi (but still a tad bigger than FS) against the FS when I was serving the army (around 10 years ago). FS male...in cowering mode.....the Hyllus got ready and just pounce....no chance for a fight at all.... The strange thing is the Hyllus doesn't treat them as food...just threat..as he ditch the carcass of the FS after the kill....no sucking

I plan to breed this Hyllus if possible...
centaurfly
post Aug 13 2008, 09:29 AM

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Hi Mindstorm,

The Big spider Star belongs to the species Plexippus paykulli, which I have kept before. The female of these species are ruthless killers, put two in a container, and only one will emerge alive... The males fight, but are usually just show and no action....

I am intending to breed the Hyllus diardi, with the aid of my new friend. She (yeah,a girl) has succesfully raised from eggs two broods of the diardi, 3 broods of Hasarius adansoni, and I intend to let her try out Thania later....

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post Aug 13 2008, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Aug 13 2008, 11:03 AM)
Are you sure?  I think Plexippus paykulli is a type of house spider.  "Big Spider Star" is never found inside the house.  They make large nests on the underside of the leaves...usually thickly webbed to the point that you can't even see the spider inside until you tear open the nest.  They are also quite hand friendly, not like the house spiders that never stop jumping.
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If you can take a close up photo of the Big spider star, then I may be able to confirm the exact species. I have kept Paykulli before, they do make nest on the underside, and in between leaves. After letting 6 of them go, I can still see at least 4 of their nest in the shrubs.

Initially, they jump non stop when I try to handle them, but after some time, they can be as docile as FS when they are used to me.
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post Aug 14 2008, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Aug 13 2008, 10:29 PM)
Wow, that's interesting... is she into jumper research from the uni or something? or just a keen enthusiast?
Wat's the purpose of the breeding? Research paper?...or maybe top secret...
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She is a keen enthusiast who got introduced to the spiders, when one web weaving critters spinned a web across her bed. Her parents actually prefer her current pets as opposed to dogs or cats, as they are allergic to to furry pets.

She is in contacts with some lab guys who may come up with some research paper once in a while. She was given a female Hyllus diardi by them, and it laid a clutch of eggs.....now she is very experience in raising spiderlings.

Its not a top secret project, breeding them is to eliminate the need to go hunt for one, when the current one leave you....

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post Aug 20 2008, 09:28 AM

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Hi Viper, that's a fantastic fight! Both FS has the determination of great FS warriors. I am sure its a record that is not going to be broken for a long time.

I tried breeding Marauder before he leaves me... To aid him, I held the females abdomen down, albeit not too tightly so as not to injure her . He tried at least 5/6 times to mount her unsuccessfully and guess what, he then grab attack and eat her, probably out of frustration!

Mindstorm. The 4 Hyllus pics you have attached looks like my Mina. I had actually wrongly posted her as a Hyllus diardi, as with also most of those macro shots of naturalist over the internet. It's real species is Hyllus semicupreus.

The baby lucien belongs to the girl, whom I mentioned. who raised her from egg.


Added on August 20, 2008, 11:50 amSome pics of two jumpers I caught last friday after work.

The male - Stripe
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The female - Jewel
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I place a FS to try fighting against Stripe. Stripe ignored the FS completely!

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post Aug 22 2008, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Aug 21 2008, 11:12 PM)
Ohman, mate becomes food....

Hmm, yeah...the pattern on the abdomen looks like mina. But mina looks more yellowish, while the one i had was whitish.

The girl, Jennifer Val, has an extensive blog about her jumpers and raising them that would put any of us guys here to shame, man. Truly a pleasant surprise and an interesting diary of her spideys from this lovely lady. She makes a perfect ambassador to encourage the keeping of jumpers as pets, especially for other gals. Lots of nuturing, love and cuteness goes into them. I salute.  notworthy.gif
http://sgblogs.com/blog/canyon-crack-betwe...livejournal/116
At first i thot it was only one page, but if u click [go earlier] at the bottom of the page, u can see how she houses them and those tiny tots she have. If u go further back, u'll get to know her as well..smile.gif. Anyway on the subject of raising jumpers, this i must say...Best in Singapore and the whole world! Haven't seen anything quite like it!

Jewel looks like the spider me and mangrovejumper used to call "transparent spider".

Mangrovejumper, u mean Stripe is the male of Jewel? Yeah, they're favourite food for Golden spiders. I remember that incident.

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The specimen you had was I believe was a juvenile, hence, the slight difference in colour. If you look at the pics of the diardi of Jessica (not Jennifer), hers is completely white with black patches.

I have invited her to this forum, but maybe she is not really into FS. I'll pass her a brooding female FS to try out soon.

I just caught a male Bavia Aericeps two days ago. Will hunt for another to try to prove the Bavia ferocious theory. I also caught another female Hyllus semicupreus, and put her to face Mina. Before I can whip out my camera, the newcomer has became a meal; Mina saw and jump straight at the face, grab and cling on the struggling newcomer!
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post Aug 25 2008, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Aug 23 2008, 09:40 PM)
Telamonia males are black, very different in colour than the females, just like the Bavia aericeps.

I am very impressed with Jess' blog.  I didn't go back to the posts last year, but I learned something just by reading them...the behavioural differences between males and females, how slings/bubs die inexplicably, genetic differences even from the same batch of eggs.  She even has the setup like yours, but with fake green plants rather than blue plastic cards.

The best thing is, after looking at the Hyllus diardi pictures, I can positively confirm that the white/grey jumper I saw many years ago was of the same type.  It was one of the two biggest spiders I've seen.  The body length was probably over 1 inch/2.5cm long.  And she did move very slowly, just like what Jess described.

As far as leaf size goes, I have a feeling it's more of a belief rather than a fact that larger leaves house larger FS.  I think as long as the leaves are of sufficient size, it will have FS of all sizes.  The habitat does influence the colour of the FS, natural camouflage of the surroundings.  I agree the the colour isn't really a good indicator of a good fighter.  Regardless of colour, chops rank right at the top for their fighting skills.

I am now keeping two slings.  They're house spiders so it's nothing interesting to look at, but they're the only jumping spiders that I can find here.  I'm going to document how long they live and how many times they moult.  It's been a chore finding insects small enough for the tiny one.  Even the smallest aphids are too thick skinned.  It would try to pounce on one, then bounce off because the fangs are too small.
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Food for the sling, we are aided by a bird farm in Singapore. They sells "pinheads". Very small sized crickets for the slings.


Added on August 25, 2008, 9:05 am
QUOTE(mindstorm @ Aug 23 2008, 12:46 PM)
Yeah, i guess u're right.
Wow, i just found out today that ur Goliath is the male of Hyllus Diardi? I read ur intro to Jess in her forum under 'Bleeps'(all along I was wondering wat the hell was that but didn't click on it, until just now...gees internet springs up all sorts of vocab) and she was insisting Goliath is the male. Till now, I'm pretty surprise and amazed by the differences btw the sexes of jumpers. It means so many times i have caught jumpers but had no clue one was just the opposite sex of another. Same goes for ur Telemonia. Some of them like Thiania can easily be identified, but some of them are so different. Maybe compling a side by side photos of males and females jumpers will proof to be very informative.
It means this little fella I fed milk to was a young male H.Diardi. I have let him go since.
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Now i know at least one hunting place for them.

Was the newcomer same size as Mina?
Man, your spideys seems to be feeding on one another!
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Those two pics of are the male of the Hyllus semicupreus. The newcomer is the same size as Mina, I have another female, slightly bigger than Mina, but this time, I won't make them fight again.... sweat.gif



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post Sep 15 2008, 10:45 AM

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Hi Mindstorm,

Based on my own experience, even adult FS, especially the males, are reluctant to grab cricket nymphs their own size when they are out of their nest. I have offered cricket nymphs to Labrador, Goblin, Damien....to name a few, they scram when the nymphs start moving. I then push a nymph to a female that was brooding, it did grab the nymph.

If you managed to raise Reddy to adulthood, you'll probably be the first in the whole to have done that! rclxms.gif And will be able to probably estimate the lifespan of the FS.

All my FS including Damien, Marauder has left me. I caught a fresh batch of 6 males and 1 female FS, yesterday. All the males were caught when they were wandering out in the open! Haven't name them nor put them to action yet.





centaurfly
post Sep 18 2008, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(King Kong Pao @ Sep 18 2008, 11:17 AM)
Hi centaurfly and all bros  .. I am sg too.. used to catch almost everyday after school .. didnt know they still exist this days.. he he.. wanna organise catching spiders trip tom. .. i am off.. Daniel 8200 8000.. pls reply..
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Mindstorm, Mangrovejumper & Viper88 are from Malaysia. I am about the only one is SG actively keeping FS other Salticidae, those we used to call "ghost" spiders.

You off, but I'll be working.... sad.gif

You can check with the Fighting spider group in the arofanatics forum, they had organised catching trips in the past. Though I havn't seen them updating for a few weeks already.
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post Sep 18 2008, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(King Kong Pao @ Sep 18 2008, 03:27 PM)
hi bro..i know they are from malasia..  ah ya wasted.. ya went to the thread arofanatics forum but no more updates liao.. any places to recomend hmm.gif .. i am off from 24/09 to 26/09 see if you can make it then.. cheers .. rclxms.gif
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I know a few places, that are confirmed to have FS.

1。 Bukit Batok Nature Park CP, I caught quite a few there.
2. Mt Faber (quite big, need to know exactly where in order not to waste energy)
3. Ang Mo Kio Garden.
4. Lower Pierce reservior CP, the whole stretch behind the petrol kiosk
5. Nee Soon Road.
6. Telok Blangah Green.
7。 McRithie Reservoir

I have caught at apprx 80 FS (Male + Female) from all of the above locations


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post Sep 30 2008, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Sep 27 2008, 12:13 AM)
Sleeping shots of Plexippus
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Berserk sleeping
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Black ants moving their eggs after i watered one of my potted plants
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Added on September 27, 2008, 1:36 amHere's Berserk attempting to catch a large fly. It was one of those strong, fast flying type of flies we sometimes encounter at home or at rubbish dump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVJokx4CAU&fmt=18
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Berserk looks like a Telamonia sp. I found a similar looking spider from this HongKong spider site. The head shape and body is very similar, but the colourations are not.

http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?t...&extra=page%3D1

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