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post Jan 25 2008, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jan 25 2008, 10:04 AM)
break 1400 liao.

I see. This Genting SG is not what entices me, but Resorts itself have potential capital gain at TP: 5.35
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If it can breach 1425 and stay steady there, then the momentum is there.
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post Jan 28 2008, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:54 AM)
Hi OKK,

" KLCI Down 1.3%; May Extend Fall To 1381" as reported by a stock broker this morning. What is your opinion ?
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Possible, as I said, in order for uptrend to last, it must breach 1425 level comfortably (means not just touching it).
If not, anything is possible, it's just very volatile right now..
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post Jan 28 2008, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Jan 28 2008, 12:31 PM)
When market going up, anybody can make money (mostly). But now,  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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That's why I said good investors are the ones that lose the least when market is down.
And if you can meet investors who can earn consistently when market is down, please call them sifu, coz they are ones that you really should learn from...not those who can earn during bull market....
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post Jan 28 2008, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 28 2008, 01:55 PM)
Hi OKK,

I have always regarded you as my " sifu" for sure. rclxms.gif
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Well, I dun dare to accept that lah blush.gif
Coz I never make money during market down also, plenty for us to learn...
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post Jan 28 2008, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jan 28 2008, 02:21 PM)
I think the key to those good investors is knowing when to get out, and also have the discipline to get out when the market is high. When you see the market going up, it is too easy to keep thinking the market is going to go up and up, and forget about it coming down until it is too late...
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To reduce loss = use cut loss strategy
To protect profit = use trailing profit lock strategy
To follow strategies = be disciplined smile.gif
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post Jan 28 2008, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 28 2008, 02:41 PM)
OKK,

you heard of " Way of the Turtle" ? by Curtis Faith ( the secret methods that turned Ordinary people into Legendary Traders.

Markets are comprised of individuals, all with hopes, fears and foibles. As a trader, you are seeking out opportunities that  arise from these human emotions. Curtis Faith
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I heard of that book...
You are right, stock market actually is 90% psychology based.


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post Jan 28 2008, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 28 2008, 03:00 PM)
It is a simple profit locking, just like you have bought a share at let say 5.00, fundamentally we know it max worth around let say 8.00, but due to the fact, no one knows where is the highest point that it can go in a bull market as sentiment took over the fundamental part in a hot market, we keep the shares and let it run in the bull market.
But we apply a 10% correction profit locking aka as long as the share doesn't drop below 10% from its peak, we keep it. Only when it drop over this line/target then we sell it. In this way you will see the peak but won't sell at the peak.

Just like like above case, instead you sell at 8.00 because you think it worth 8.00 only as your TP, in bull market it goes up more to 10, but you still keep it, but only it drop back to 9.00, you sell it. In this way you protect your profit while earning 1.00 more compare to a target set previously. If it drop to 9.50 then goes up to 12.00 then you still keep it, then set the locking price at 12.00 - 1.20 = 10.80.
In this way, you will avoid (although not 100%) sell too early, you sell it late but not at the peak. As through my experience, it is pointless to find the peak of the market or share price, you just can know market is toppish but cannot predict the exactly when is the peak, but roughly is considered very good already.

It is not a foolproof strategy, only good sometimes especially in the up or bull market, it can go wrong if market swing too volatile which trigger and affect this kind of strategy.
So judge your own, there is no foolproof strategy in the market.
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Yes, this is the same strategy I use also.
Actually cherroy, to add on to that, as long as you use this strategy, regardles of whatever market, it will work.
You pointed out that it might give affect the strategy when market is volatile, but actually the effect is you will earn less only.
For example, let's say from top price of 2.00 falls to 1.80 (your profit lock price), you sell it off, and then suddenly the stock jump back to 2.10. So what you miss is further upside but no matter what, you still gain.
For me, as long as you are earning, don't worry, there are always next chances to come....

And also one more thing, to echo what you said, an intelligent investor never look for the so called 'bottomest' bottom or the 'toppest' top, coz that's not possible. When you try to do that ,greed comes into picture and you will lose your discipline...
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post Jan 29 2008, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Jan 29 2008, 08:36 AM)
I'm puzzled by this too. Wonder how our own market will react today?  rclxub.gif
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What happened now in US and also worldwide stock market is 'rate cut addiction'.
Everybody is already addicted to the fact that once Fed cut rates, stock market will bounce up.

So of course the investors 'like' to see reports like home sales plunged or home sales at record low, because this will 'force' Fed to do an imminent rate cut to save the economy. Before this, there are already talks that Fed might not cut rate, so this home sales bad news will most probably eliminate this possibility...

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post Jan 29 2008, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 29 2008, 09:14 AM)
The current scenario is like market can 'force' Fed do whatever they wish do. They (market) want rate cut, then market 'threaten' with potential market crash (like last Monday), so if market is getting what they wish to (rate cut), then market has some rallies.  doh.gif
Just some personal feeling about current market condition, no concrete evidence on it. Don't get me wrong on this.
The market is pricing in another 0.5% cut on this Wednesday.

The one it should be is that economy data showing good and resilience data rather than poor and weakening effect which prompt to more rate cut. As everyone knows rate rate alone won't solve the subprime and credit problem, it is the economy resilience and strength that will sail through this crisis, not rate cut. Japan is a better example to show rate cut can't solve all the problems, it only temporarily relief, not curing.
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However the investors actually don't quite care what happen to the economy, they are just looking at short term gains, buy a lot before potential rate cut, and then sell it after rate cut. And then market plunge again due to bad reports, and rate cut again, this goes on and on...
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Jan 29 2008, 04:08 PM)
wah...how come my resorts suddenly go up so much one......tot just keep if for long term one....suddenly chiong......
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Astro also, go up 10%
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post Jan 31 2008, 12:09 PM

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Hi,
I need some help here for my question on dividend. Hope the gurus here can help smile.gif

On ex-dividend rate, is the stock price supposed to move down exactly the same amount as the dividend paid? For example, if the price now is 1.00 and dividend is 5 cents, then the stock price on ex-dividend day is 0.95?

But it's kind of puzzling me because there is nothing called stock price, because the price is actually the agreed transaction price between a buyer and seller. So if you are a buyer, will you actually lower down your order by 5 cents on ex dividend rate? I am sure there are some people who are not aware of the ex-dividend date and if they still key in the same order price as before the ex-dividend rate, then they will become waterfish right?

In US, the NYSE actually do auto adjust all the outstanding orders by the price of dividend on ex-dividend date. Does KLSE do the same?

Hope someone can really help me on this... I am very confused now...thanks alot.

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post Jan 31 2008, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jan 31 2008, 12:51 PM)
though I'm not having this shares, contemplating to accumulate little by little coz eventually, slowly the DBI will go up


Added on January 31, 2008, 1:04 pm

yes, price will be adjusted down according to the exact cents.
KLSE also auto adjust like NYSE but if you mention about those people who key in pre-dividend price(though already ex-price) will become waterfish, this depends on individual online portal. Mayban2u's system is able to secure for client's order to the nearest/latest traded price even keyed in few ticks higher. I understand that those non- nominee accounts , do not have such protection & it will be traded according to that high price.
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Price will be adjusted....that means the last trade price will be adjusted?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 31 2008, 02:46 PM)
I don't like bonus issue either, I like dividend $$$ in the pocket  icon_rolleyes.gif  laugh.gif
They will adjust the opening price means that if yesterday last closed (before ex-date) is 1.00. Then tomorrow the indicator opening price is 0.95 (for 5 cents dividend). So if the first trade is 0.96 will be treated as 'Green' +1 cent.
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Thank you so much cherroy and sharesa!
I am clear now!

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post Jan 31 2008, 04:10 PM

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Is HLEBoking down?
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post Feb 1 2008, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Feb 1 2008, 09:36 AM)
what happen to the market, like no movement only!!!
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Today is Wilayah Day, a public holiday so KLSE is closed.
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post Feb 6 2008, 11:14 AM

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Does anyone know what's the component counters for Dow Jones Islamic Market Malaysia Titans 25 Index ETF?
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post Feb 6 2008, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 6 2008, 12:53 PM)
Hi OKK,

Look like the big fish is in town to play , for how long, i do not know.

Look at store and warrants .....the indication is there.

Happy New Year to you.

May this new  year a special for you.
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Thanks...I am still abit worried with the market now although I did enter some positions...
Happy New Year to u too!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 6 2008, 02:25 PM)
Is this similar to myETF?
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It's also an ETF, but all the component counters are Shariah compliant


Added on February 6, 2008, 2:53 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 6 2008, 01:06 PM)
I believe the superbull is making a come back later part of year, also depending on the movements of US Markets.

2nd liners could be in rotational plays at this moment. The risk is still high so be careful and be in control.

You do any charting on SapuraCrest ?  Scomi ? or O & G  basically with fundamentals , but can go crazy at times. Got to wait for her turn,lot of patient needed, previously umno counter.

I got a feeling that palm oil counters could go crazy this year.

Trade with care. US market is not so stable at this moment.
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I am only focusing on steel stock now.

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post Feb 21 2008, 11:34 AM

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Again I project the KLCI to test the 1350 level again...1350 must be able to support it...
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post Feb 21 2008, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Feb 21 2008, 11:37 AM)
if cannot support 1350, means lao-sai all the way? blink.gif
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Have to see the volume at that time, can't deduce anything now

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