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post Jan 21 2008, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 21 2008, 06:38 PM)
Hi OKK,

It is still the Pre Sales season, right ? Subsequently more sale offers at bigger discounts.

People are going to buy low and sell lower at this time ( holding power would be the final judge }
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I am very worried now that KLCI might not hold at 1350, it must hold at that point and then go back up for 2 consecutive days. That's the time to buy. But if it breaches 1350 and never go back up and keep going down, better be careful....
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post Jan 21 2008, 09:49 PM

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US market will stable when things have been laid down...now it's a mess because everything is not confirmed. If the govt says they are in recession now, actually it does more good to the market, because that's certainity, people know they are in recession, and they can plan ahead....but now no one knows what's going to happen tomorrow, that's why market will be very volatile.

Dow Jones has dropeed about 1,500 points in 1 month time, believe it or not...
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post Jan 22 2008, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(warbamboo @ Jan 22 2008, 09:19 AM)
lol..ya lorrr  tongue.gif some good bargains in there rite nw, bt the problem is, dnt knw if we're heading for 1997! uh-oh.. blink.gif
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The uptrend is still intact, as of now, I still see this as correction...
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post Jan 22 2008, 09:26 AM

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The best investor is not the one who win the most money in bull market, but they are the one who lose the least money during bear market....
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post Jan 22 2008, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:35 AM)
I agree, 110%. People ( like me and you ) lost money in the past talk sense. But I presumed you make back a lot, right, OKK ?
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Not really, but so far, I am still good since I overhauled my investment strategy and trading plan.
I am doing emotionless investing right now smile.gif
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post Jan 22 2008, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(greddym3 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:51 AM)
dont catch the falling knife!!! wait until volume drops down..that is when the sell off is over
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Agreed on this point. But add on to that, after the selloff has slowed down, do make sure the reversal candlestick signal is obvious and also it must rise for 2 consecutive days at least (more days if you are not confident). Always buy on rise....
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post Jan 22 2008, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:57 AM)
Hi Okk, CI now is going towards 1350pt as you predicted. Job well done.
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Hopefully we see strong support at 1350.
If it breaches that strongly, I don't know what will happen...
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post Jan 22 2008, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Jan 22 2008, 02:34 PM)
OK....so now the support level of 1350 is breached...
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Wait for 2 more consecutive days and see what happen, too early to tell whether it has been really breached or just 'touched'. Further candlestick signal is needed here....so be patient...stay at sideline
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:11 PM

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Where do you guys see futures information?
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:12 PM

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I mean where do the people check from?
Why I check from Yahoo, it's +284? Dow Jones Industrial March 2008 Futures.
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 22 2008, 04:16 PM)
Got it, thanks a lot!
Apparently the one in Yahoo Finance is not updated
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 22 2008, 04:21 PM)
Contradict to general taught, if market is down more sharply and quickly, the market has more potential to stage a return, the more dangerous trend is everyday down bit by bit which a lot of people will be trapped inside (we called it bull trap).

The 1929 sharpest drop in stock market histrory, although it is the worst, it did recover quite soon after that.
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Agree. It also applies to uptrend. If a stock rises abruptly, it will drop back very soon...
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post Jan 22 2008, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Jan 22 2008, 04:25 PM)
true o not  hmm.gif ??? if true i start queueing again la.....hehehehe
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Not now smile.gif
If u wan to risk, of course u can do it anytime, for me I will only enter when market rises back (keep repeating this smile.gif)
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post Jan 23 2008, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(aretla @ Jan 23 2008, 11:18 PM)
i onli got rm5k free cash on hand.. so dilemma to decide which counter should masuk now..
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Stay UNinvested until you see a clear signal...protect your capital at all cost.
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post Jan 24 2008, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Jan 24 2008, 09:11 AM)
buy with momentum??? hahahahhaha...come on...time to buy for some......

as for me...i prefer to be greed when ppl fear hehehhe......time to sit back n relax again
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Well, it's your choice, I am sticking with buy with momentum.
Remember one thing, the best investor is not the one making money when market is up, but it's the one losing the least money when market is down. If you think you can be consistently bottom fishing when people are fear, then it's really a good thing...but the keyword here is CONSISTENT.

And I also wonder if the market will be up today if US Fed doesn't cut rate... smile.gif


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post Jan 24 2008, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(andy888 @ Jan 24 2008, 09:35 AM)
today was best hk cw day i ever seen................but unlucky, i stop already...... mad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif
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Don't have to feel unlucky because you don't earn when market is up.
You only should feel lucky when you don't lose when market is down.
Remember, there are always opportunities in stock market and stock market is always there wan...the question is whether your capital is still there or not only smile.gif

Just my 2 cents, look ahead!

This post has been edited by okk: Jan 24 2008, 09:38 AM
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post Jan 24 2008, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jan 24 2008, 09:47 AM)
there is no perfect trading strategy. Be it bottom fishing, momentum buying etc.  Market situation or sentiments changes rapidly, we have to adapt to a variety of trading plans & execute them to what we believe through our experience.
Making money is vital in doing shares otherwise why invest in the first place.
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Making money is the reason you invest, not the priority. Priority is capital protection.
Logic is very simple. When you miss the chance of making money this round, you still have 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round, and so on.
But when you lose your money, how many rounds you have to earn it back?

Just my opinion...

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post Jan 24 2008, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 24 2008, 10:02 AM)
That's why you need fundamental come into the play to have a proper guide.

For current scenario of market condition, I have to agree it is more like gambling at the moment. That's why most experienced investors or some investment advisory service/professional tells people to stay calm and stay sidelines watching how it unfold, before decide to go into the market especially for long term investors, you don't need to rush into the market. If the market is really a start of bear then it has long way to go. If it is just a temporally event then enter the market later on when market become stablise and charging higher again, it is still not too late.

Bottom fishing sometimes is a dangerous game to play. Just like although today all up significantly but if you had entered the market earlier 3-4 days rather than on Tuesday, you still not yet making any gain even though market is already up signficantly. Only those buy on late Monday and Tuesday are gaining now, but not all stocks! See how much Commerz is gaining today, 20 cents, barely cover the commission, if bought a bit earlier still not breakeven.
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Agree with you cherroy.
Bottom fishing is good if you can perform consistently.
But what I notice is most bottom fishers are making wild guesses, on when is the bottom. So in the end, there will be some correct guesses and some wrong guesses. In the end, I am not sure whether the total profit will be still zero but your emotion will be highly stressed.

From my opinion, a good investor has to have a set of consistent analysis steps.
Trading plan can be different, but the steps must be consistent and can be written out in black and white.
That means everytime before you buy a stock, you always apply these steps to come to the decision, and these steps must have a high probability of winning. If it doesn't, keep refining the steps until it matures. By the time, you are no more wild guessing but your investment strategy will be very systematic and most important, EMOTIONLESS.


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post Jan 24 2008, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Jan 24 2008, 02:08 PM)
It seems very easy from math calculation.
But practically, it is hard to do it. Somemore, last Tuesday morning there plenty of sellings and market plunge. U wont dare to get into the market.
Surprise rate cut from FED is a unexpected bonus for us all (for those still holding including me). Else today will see many ppl draining their blood.

Practise like OKK, play when market is confirm uptrend. Now im oredi scared. Sleep not well. Too dangerous.
Next time will focus on big-cap counter. More stable than HSI-C1.
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Yeah, last time when I invest based on hope and wild guess, I suffer so much on emotion, fear, disappointed, excited, etc...
It did affect my sleep...
It's really not worth it for the money...and that's also only IF you can earn the money...

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post Jan 24 2008, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(chinzw @ Jan 24 2008, 04:14 PM)
Seems like market is slowly going back down....good choice for not entering today  sweat.gif
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That's why we need a MINIMUM 2 days up momentum to confirm buy signal.
Else don't go in as it's wild guess and gamble again..

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