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mentality88
post Jan 7 2010, 11:57 AM

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Depster666 has given good points and facts. Good advices were given.

Just want to give more advice:

a) World is small. Unless you choose not to work in the same industry. One day, you may meet your peers in new company for interview. A bad impression is given, it will be there forever.
b) Nowadays, major recruitment portal allows employers to leave remarks. Hence, if someone leaves without sufficient notice, his/her cv in the job portal probabky will be marked as well.

The worse scenarios:

i) The employer has the right to sue based on the law.
ii) Once the employer get the judgement, the company is entitled for damages + 8% annual interest + legal costs. A RM 2,000 monthly salary may end up as RM 20,000 in total excluding your own lawyer fees for defending. This information, usually, will be in the credit report.

So, listen to Depster666 before any regret.
mentality88
post Jan 8 2010, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Jan 8 2010, 04:33 PM)
Why put yourself in such difficult situation. Always talk first before you leave irresponsibly.
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This is the wise view.

The law is always fair. If anyone plans to leave without sufficient notice and without agreement, the company will sue. Else, all employees in the company will follow to do the same and the company will collapse. So, no company will take this issue lightly. I handled many cases and i frankly share with you, most of the people that did this regret at the all. Not only financial losses, their reputations also gone. Unless your bosses are SME or entrepreneurs who would rather spend their energy to grow business and make money. If the employer is an established firm or MNC, those for disappear or MIA without notice will face nightmares. What's the point to get this problem? The solution could be very simple: talk, discuss before disappear or MIA.

Think for the employer, can employer simply sack anyone anytime? If any employer dismisses an employee without sufficient notice or reason, the employee can sue the employer. When the employee win the case, he/she is entitled for the salary from the date he/she left to the judgement day + 8% annual interest + legal cost. Read this case.
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Sacked GM wins RM1.3mil
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...1991&sec=nation

KUALA LUMPUR: A former general manager of industrial gases supplier Malaysian Oxygen Bhd (MOX) won over RM1.29mil in back wages and compensation in lieu of reinstatement for wrongful dismissal.

The Industrial Court granted the huge award despite having found Soh Tong Hwa guilty of two misconducts, saying that dismissal was too harsh a punishment.

Court chairman Susila Sithamparam held that Soh had breached his fiduciary duty and placed himself in a position of conflict of interest when he failed to disclose that his wife and family members were key figures in two firms that were major suppliers of MOX.

Soh, whose last drawn salary was RM31,625, was granted 24 months of wages in compensation and a similar sum, albeit scaled down by 30% for back pay, as he was found guilty of two of the eight charges against him. Counsel V.K. Raj acted for him in the case.

Susila ordered that the RM1,290,300 be paid by the company by April 16.

She had, among others, held that, under the law, an employee should not engage in another business or put himself in a position of conflict of interest but found that Soh had devoted his time fully to MOX which had recognised his dedication by giving him salary increments, generous bonuses, payment in lieu of his annual leave and written testimonials.

“The court found that he was not engaged in the activities (of the other company owned by him and his wife) ... to the extent that he was not able to fulfil his obligations to MOX.

“A passive shareholder or director of one company would not give rise to any conflict of interest as an employee in another company,” she said, adding that Soh’s company was not a competitor.

The court held that the dismissal was without just cause or excuse but did not order reinstatement as Soh is currently employed elsewhere at a higher salary from March last year.

In its claims, MOX alleged that it discovered Soh’s misconduct after investigating complaints from outsiders who claimed difficulties in doing business with the company, especially the department headed by Soh.

MOX claimed the probe revealed that Soh and his team had also obstructed potential suppliers from doing business with MOX.

Soh denied he had the ultimate approving authority for purchases for his division and pointed out that MOX only implemented the conflict of interest policy during his suspension.

He joined the company as a production engineer in 1979 and rose steadily to the position of general manager of the Process Gas Solutions division before he was sacked in 2003, after 24 years of service.

His last drawn salary was RM27,125 not inclusive of a RM4,500 car allowance. He was also paid a bonus every three months and given an annual holiday allowance.


This post has been edited by mentality88: Jan 8 2010, 06:41 PM
mentality88
post Jan 8 2010, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(4evernelson @ Jan 8 2010, 07:37 PM)
wow~ possible I'm the next with such court case? tongue.gif envy-nya~
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You sue your company or your company sue you? doh.gif
mentality88
post Jan 11 2010, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(junkeat @ Jan 11 2010, 05:23 PM)
Refer to your appointment letter.

If they really sue u. Court case at least took few years. By tat time 2700 + interest should not be a problem for you. So dont have to afraid of paying back the company.

Do consider which company provide u best development for your future is much more important.
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The law is fair. Only need to make a well informed decision:

Under the Employment Act 1955
http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT...55mys01.htm#c11
PART II - CONTRACTS OF SERVICE

13. Termination of contract without notice

(1) Either party to a contract of service may terminate such contract of service without notice or, if notice has already been given in accordance with section 12, without waiting for the expiry of that notice, by paying to the other party an indemnity of a sum equal to the amount of wages which would have accrued to the employee during the term of such notice or during the unexpired term of such notice.

(2) Either party to a contract of service may terminate such contract of service without notice in the event of any wilful breach by the other party of a condition of the contract of service.

The court took 3 - 5 years to complete the hearing. The losing side has to bear the lawyer fees. So, 2700 + 8% per annum + the company's lawyer fees + own defending lawyer's fees. Lawyer fees for such a long battle, usually cost 30K - 40K.

The worse: there is a court case record - a blackmark for the whole life that the person was sued, lost the case and compensate the ex-company. By then, if career has established, probably a Manager by 3 - 5 years later. Do you still want this record for your whole life? Any credit report will show you court record?
mentality88
post Jan 11 2010, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 11 2010, 05:39 PM)
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I didn't know this, its forumners who pointed it out... sharing it back with you.

FIRST SCHEDULE

[Section 2(1)]

Employee
Provision of the Act not applicable

1. Any person, irrespective of his occupation, who has entered into a contract of service with an employer under which such person's wages do not exceed one thousand five hundred ringgit a month.
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I thought the case was about a person with monthly salary of RM 1800?

 

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